Uop Dentists = Dr. 3/4 ????

[FutureUOPDDS]

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Hey guys,

I was really interested in going to UOP but recently I have been hearing that around the dental community UOP dentists are reguarded as Dr. 3/4 because they only complete 3 years of dental school instead of 4. That is really turning me off about UOP because I dont want to be looked down upon once I graduate. Are any of you feeling the same thing? have any of you guys heard similar things?

 

[Audio]

Hey guys,

I was really interested in going to UOP but recently I have been hearing that around the dental community UOP dentists are reguarded as Dr. 3/4 because they only complete 3 years of dental school instead of 4. That is really turning me off about UOP because I dont want to be looked down upon once I graduate. Are any of you feeling the same thing? have any of you guys heard similar things?

Well then you shouldn't want to be a dentist because some people say denstists are doctor wannabes who couldn't get into med school. Forget what people say and do what you want.

 

[Generallee]

Hey guys,

I was really interested in going to UOP but recently I have been hearing that around the dental community UOP dentists are reguarded as Dr. 3/4 because they only complete 3 years of dental school instead of 4. That is really turning me off about UOP because I dont want to be looked down upon once I graduate. Are any of you feeling the same thing? have any of you guys heard similar things?

Actually, I got a different impression about UOP. I think very highly of the program. If you look at the cirriculum, it is the same as the 4 year programs except it is crammed into 3 years with no summers off. To be able to pull off a 3 year program, I believe an institution like UOP absolutely has to be on top of things and run the school as efficient as possible. The school is known to have great clinical training as well as didactics. I wouldn't let something like Dr.3/4 sway you away from them....

 

[Dental Mom]

Hey guys,

I was really interested in going to UOP but recently I have been hearing that around the dental community UOP dentists are reguarded as Dr. 3/4 because they only complete 3 years of dental school instead of 4. That is really turning me off about UOP because I dont want to be looked down upon once I graduate. Are any of you feeling the same thing? have any of you guys heard similar things?

It's becuase they don't know anything about the program...on yr 1 we are going to have a nice Summer off, while the UOP guys are still in school. It's a very intense program and I'm sure not that many can do it. That's why they want high GPAs to make sure you can handle the load.

Things are changing, pre meds are switching to dental because been a Dr has lost the glamour it used to have....and there's more $$$$ in dentistry--for the ones that are in for money only...

Do what ever you want to do in life. People that love you don't care where you went to school, if you were in the 90% rank...people that don't care about you can think what ever they want--why do you want to impresses those folks? 😕

 

[howui3]

Hey guys,

I was really interested in going to UOP but recently I have been hearing that around the dental community UOP dentists are reguarded as Dr. 3/4 because they only complete 3 years of dental school instead of 4. That is really turning me off about UOP because I dont want to be looked down upon once I graduate. Are any of you feeling the same thing? have any of you guys heard similar things?

Do YOU know where all your previous dentists went to school? So much of it comes from experience.

 

[PDizzle]

It's a very intense program and I'm sure not that many can do it. That's why they want high GPAs to make sure you can handle the load.

Actually, UoP stresses a high DAT over high GPA's. They want people who can cram a lot of info in a short time, like when we studied for the DAT.

As far as people looking down on UoP, I'm not sure too many people do. One of my dentist friends was thinking even 4 years sometimes seemed like not enough time to learn the skills you need and wondered how they do it in only 3.

The more I talk to actual dentists, I am slowly being convinced it does not matter too much where you went to school. It seems only pre-dents are completely obsessed with rankings, DAT avgs, national board scores, % of students that specialize, etc, etc.

I just want to go to dental school and be a dentist.

 

[Rezdawg]

I wouldnt pay attention to anyone who says UOP grads are Dr. 3/4.

 

[EyeAmCommi]

Hey guys,

I was really interested in going to UOP but recently I have been hearing that around the dental community UOP dentists are reguarded as Dr. 3/4 because they only complete 3 years of dental school instead of 4. That is really turning me off about UOP because I dont want to be looked down upon once I graduate. Are any of you feeling the same thing? have any of you guys heard similar things?

Hmmm...ridiculous.

 

[Sprgrover]

Hey guys,

I was really interested in going to UOP but recently I have been hearing that around the dental community UOP dentists are reguarded as Dr. 3/4 because they only complete 3 years of dental school instead of 4. That is really turning me off about UOP because I dont want to be looked down upon once I graduate. Are any of you feeling the same thing? have any of you guys heard similar things?

3/4 a doctor?!? UOP condenses the first two years into one - they don't get any summers off and the program is very intense. Keep in mind they have to pass all of the same board and licensure exams as everyone else, and you couldn't do that very well if 1/4 of your knowledge/skill base was missing. UOP is the last remaining program to be 3 years (the reason for the condensed program, I have been told, was to turn out dentists at a quicker pace for the armed forces during WWII) but that should not suggest that their education is lacking. I have shadowed UOP dentists, and with combined feedback from other dentists, I can say that school turns out top-notch practitioners. 👍

 

[drhobie7]

I've heard good things about UOP, but this has been from dental students rather that clinicians. Here at UCLA we don't get summers off either (you softies!) and I can't see how they can condense the same didactic education into 3 years. Of course, I'm sure you'll be a fine dentist if you go there.

 

[superchris147]

I've heard good things about UOP, but this has been from dental students rather that clinicians. Here at UCLA we don't get summers off either (you softies!) and I can't see how they can condense the same didactic education into 3 years. Of course, I'm sure you'll be a fine dentist if you go there.

we don't get any summers off either at buffalo, well i guess we get like 4 weeks off or so (then again i am a first year so i don't know exactly how it works) i don't really know how they fit their cirriculum into 3 years . . .

but yeah, both the dentists i shadowed came from uop and one was a recent grad and both are excellent clinicians and so if you can get away with only going to dental school for three years instead of four . . . do it!

 

[FutureUOPDDS]

I've heard good things about UOP, but this has been from dental students rather that clinicians. Here at UCLA we don't get summers off either (you softies!) and I can't see how they can condense the same didactic education into 3 years. Of course, I'm sure you'll be a fine dentist if you go there.

Yes I heard most schools dont get summer off, but UOP makes it seem like they are the only ones that do and thats why they can do it in 3 years. After hearing that most schools are year round I can see why people call them Dr. 3/4. But i dontknow everyone says they are a good clinical school. I just want to go for 3 years and get it done with but not if Im gonna be called DR 3/4.

 

[drhobie7]

Yes I heard most schools dont get summer off, but UOP makes it seem like they are the only ones that do and thats why they can do it in 3 years. After hearing that most schools are year round I can see why people call them Dr. 3/4. But i dontknow everyone says they are a good clinical school. I just want to go for 3 years and get it done with but not if Im gonna be called DR 3/4.

I wouldn't worry about people talking smack. The only reason someone would do that is because he/she is unhappy. When you look at it that way it's just sad and pathetic. You have the same opportunities at UOP that you have at any other dental school. Like any dental school, you have to work your ass off if you want to specialize. Obviously, this holds true for UOP as well. My advice is go where you think you'll be happy, because dental school is gonna suck a lot of the time regardless of the school you attend. Often it's a struggle to stay happy. If your environment/classmates/friends can help you accomplish this, your life will be a lot better.

 

[OffAngleHatchet]

Huh. That's the first I've heard the Dr. 3/4.

From what I can gather, UOP is able to do things in 3 years because the breaks are shortened, and they start us off drilling teeth on typodonts the first week of school. They've figured out their curriculum pretty well now after ~30 years of 3-year program juicy goodness.

But, they do keep us busy, especially for first years like myself. AS a first year, I'm at school from 8 to 5 (lectures + labs), and then I stay afterwards to practice fillings, cut crowns, take impressions, etc. Last week I had 3 practicals on 3 consecutive days - one waxup, one crown prep, one combined amalgam prep and condensation. Tomorrow is our anatomy midterm.

You get used to it though. It's busy, but manageable. And the people here are pretty cool -- that always helps, especially when we're all going through the same thing.

Did you know that Duke Med does the same thing as we do (well not 100%)? They accelerate their basic sciences into one year, and they use the time saved to make all their med students do research. UOP doesn't require research, they just let us out early so we can start earning $ and paying back our loans sooner.

 

[OffAngleHatchet]

The more I talk to actual dentists, I am slowly being convinced it does not matter too much where you went to school. It seems only pre-dents are completely obsessed with rankings, DAT avgs, national board scores, % of students that specialize, etc, etc.

When I discovered this forum, I was shocked to see people posting up their DAT and GPA stats in their sigs.

'Neurotic!', I thought.

But now I'm used to it.

 

[penguinteeth]

why not all the dental school going for 3 years

UoP is the only one

either they are really smart or they are in lack of some area of study in dentistry

That is my impression.

Think wise

 

[DREDAY]

Huh. That's the first I've heard the Dr. 3/4.

From what I can gather, UOP is able to do things in 3 years because the breaks are shortened, and they start us off drilling teeth on typodonts the first week of school. They've figured out their curriculum pretty well now after ~30 years of 3-year program juicy goodness.

But, they do keep us busy, especially for first years like myself. AS a first year, I'm at school from 8 to 5 (lectures + labs), and then I stay afterwards to practice fillings, cut crowns, take impressions, etc. Last week I had 3 practicals on 3 consecutive days - one waxup, one crown prep, one combined amalgam prep and condensation. Tomorrow is our anatomy midterm.

You get used to it though. It's busy, but manageable. And the people here are pretty cool -- that always helps, especially when we're all going through the same thing.

Did you know that Duke Med does the same thing as we do (well not 100%)? They accelerate their basic sciences into one year, and they use the time saved to make all their med students do research. UOP doesn't require research, they just let us out early so we can start earning $ and paying back our loans sooner.

Actually here at UCSF we are doing the same thing you are doing. We are drilling teeth on typodonts and wax-ups as well as simlab within the first couple weeks. So I dont see that as an exclusive property to UOP. And as far as workload we have seem to have about the same. Next week we have 4 midterms in the same week. You guys must make that one year up somewherelse .........

 

[TimR]

maybe... just maybe. and this is a big maybe. You really only need 3 years to learn the basic foundations of dentistry. I, like others on here, have shadowed a UOP general practitioner. He was a good dentist. Better than some others i shadowed. I highly doubt that UOP is really "that much tougher". from dental students at other schools, it all pretty much sounds the same. School all day, study at night, a week or 2 off every 3 months. Sounds to me like UOP is on to something, they make money off of the students faster (240,00 in 3 years) and the students get to start making money faster. It's a win win situation for everyone.

 

[DREDAY]

Thats not true. Dr. Dorfman, probably the most succesfull dentist is a graduate of UOP. So if anyone bad mouths UOP just tell them 2 word "doctor Dorfman". When they reach his success and his accomplishments, they can call you a high class garbage man for all I care, but till then they can keep their mouth shut.

Gabe

what do you consider success?? making millions of dollars off of asthetics and cosmetic dentistry? because to me success is helping those in need of dental care to improve their standard of living both here in the states and in impoverished countries.

 

[DREDAY]

Thats true. You only need 3years to complete the dental basics. My brother is D4 at Nova and he has been chillin out since July becuase he busted his butt the last year working on patients while everyone else was on the beach. So hes just been schedualling what he feels like and been flying all over the place. He sooo could have graduated in May and made it in 3 years.

Gabe

that is heresay. everyone has heresays.

 

[VegasBabyVegas]

what do you consider success?? making millions of dollars off of asthetics and cosmetic dentistry? because to me success is helping those in need of dental care to improve their standard of living both here in the states and in impoverished countries.

Thank you, this was so...heart warming. Might I add my thoughts?

I have a dream, that one day my children will be able to play with the endo's children without getting into a fight over what's a better specialty. I have a dream, that one day someone will some fashion experience will design good looking scrubs for overweight staff. I have a dream, that one day that the people that say money has NOTHING to do with why they are going into dentistry will quit kidding themselves...free at last, free at last, ...

 

[12YearOldKid]

I have also wondered how UOP can possibly cram everything into 3 years. UOP students will say it is because they don't have summers off -- neither does my school. They will tell you that they go to class, lab, or clinic from 8-5 -- so does my school.

They've GOT to be cutting something out. But, they turn out good dentists, so it must be some pretty unimportant stuff they are skipping. I know I can think of at least 6 months of worthless crap to cut out of my school's curriculum. 😀

 

[howui3]

Their courses prepare you for the boards and the clinical experience gets you ready for practice - and it's all in 3 years! and we are still debating this?? 😴

 

[Rezdawg]

I have a dream, that one day that the people that say money has NOTHING to do with why they are going into dentistry will quit kidding themselves...free at last, free at last, ...

Im with you on this one.

 

[DREDAY]

Thank you, this was so...heart warming. Might I add my thoughts?

I have a dream, that one day my children will be able to play with the endo's children without getting into a fight over what's a better specialty. I have a dream, that one day someone will some fashion experience will design good looking scrubs for overweight staff. I have a dream, that one day that the people that say money has NOTHING to do with why they are going into dentistry will quit kidding themselves...free at last, free at last, ...

You missed the point of the post. Success is a relative term. Everyone has their own personal definition of what will make them successful. That is the reason people choose different dental schools, because they believe the dental school they choose will lead to their success. Its all a matter of personal opinion and definition.

 

[DIRTIE]

they just cut out all ouf the garbage classes like culture classes, spanish, biostats, epidemiology, integration seminars, dental nutrition research, etc etc. So when we are spending time sitting in these "well rouded classes" at UOP they are drilling and filling, busting through relevent material. Plus they start in July and go until July a real 3 full calendar years, we go 44 months instead of 48.

 

[drhobie7]

Thats not true. Dr. Dorfman, probably the most succesfull dentist is a graduate of UOP. So if anyone bad mouths UOP just tell them 2 word "doctor Dorfman". When they reach his success and his accomplishments, they can call you a high class garbage man for all I care, but till then they can keep their mouth shut.

Gabe

FYI, I'm pretty sure Dr. Dorfman attended UOP when it was a 4 year program. Not that it matters. Dental school, be it 3 or 4 years, is not going to teach you proficiency. At most, you learn to be mildly competent and that might be an overstatement. You learn your clinical skills in residency, private practice, and CE courses. And what's important is treatment planning and clinical judgement. Anyone can cut a prep.

 

[Sprgrover]

FYI, I'm pretty sure Dr. Dorfman attended UOP when it was a 4 year program. Not that it matters. Dental school, be it 3 or 4 years, is not going to teach you proficiency. At most, you learn to be mildly competent and that might be an overstatement. You learn your clinical skills in residency, private practice, and CE courses. And what's important is treatment planning and clinical judgement. Anyone can cut a prep.

That's why they call it the practice of dentistry. 😉

 

[JavadiCavity]

FYI, I'm pretty sure Dr. Dorfman attended UOP when it was a 4 year program.

William Dorfman attended Pacific when it was a 3-year program. The most recent report I read showed that pacific students spend 92% of the national average of hours in didactic course work but are slightly above the national average for the number of clinical hours.

I'd like to ask why schools need to have 4-year programs? And, now, some states are allowing graduates to attend a 5th year AEGD or GPR to side-step the licensing exams.

My theory is that Pacific has a well-defined vision of who they are and what they want to accomplish, largely thanks to Dr. Dugoni. The school focuses all of its resources on graduating competent clinicians. They've spent years refining their program and cutting out all of the fat so that the program can be completed in three years.

The fact that Pacific students last year scored an average of 86.7% (national average of 85.X%)on the boards with only a 1.3% (national average of 9.X%) fail rate indicates that didactically Pacific's program is more than adequate. In regards to clinic abilities, 100% passed the California licensing boards, and nearly 100% passed the WREB licensing exams.

Three years is enough time to turn out good clinicans. Why haven't any other programs implemented a three year program? Pacific has been a 3 year program for just 30 years. During that time the program has been tried and tested. Other schools could copy and adapt the program for their school.

 

[superchris147]

William Dorfman attended Pacific when it was a 3-year program. The most recent report I read showed that pacific students spend 92% of the national average of hours in didactic course work but are slightly above the national average for the number of clinical hours.

I'd like to ask why schools need to have 4-year programs? And, now, some states are allowing graduates to attend a 5th year AEGD or GPR to side-step the licensing exams.

My theory is that Pacific has a well-defined vision of who they are and what they want to accomplish, largely thanks to Dr. Dugoni. The school focuses all of its resources on graduating competent clinicians. They've spent years refining their program and cutting out all of the fat so that the program can be completed in three years.

The fact that Pacific students last year scored an average of 86.7% (national average of 85.X%)on the boards with only a 1.3% (national average of 9.X%) fail rate indicates that didactically Pacific's program is more than adequate. In regards to clinic abilities, 100% passed the California licensing boards, and nearly 100% passed the WREB licensing exams.

Three years is enough time to turn out good clinicans. Why haven't any other programs implemented a three year program? Pacific has been a 3 year program for just 30 years. During that time the program has been tried and tested. Other schools could copy and adapt the program for their school.

I don't think anyone is doubting that uop turns out good clinicians, especially since that's what they are known for. i think some of us at almost year round schools (11 months/year) are wondering either a) what are we doing wasting this much time or b) are you guys missing out on some important stuff

however, i really doubt that board passing rates are a good evaluation tool of how good clinician you are (i know i'll catch a lot of crap for this statement) but seriously, just cuz you do well on your boards does that mean you can successfully run a private practice?

bottom line, if we really wanted to know this answer lets round up all the residency directors and put them in a room and see what they say

 

[dat_student]

...
The fact that Pacific students last year scored an average of 86.7% (national average of 85.X%)on the boards with only a 1.3% (national average of 9.X%) fail rate...

Isn't 86.7% low for a school that claims to have the 4th highest AA avg? Does that mean UOP students with high AA end up having an avg performance on the national board exams? UCONN accepts students with an avg AA score of 19 but somehow UCONN students do much better on their national board exams.

 

[nothen2do]

William Dorfman attended Pacific when it was a 3-year program. The most recent report I read showed that pacific students spend 92% of the national average of hours in didactic course work but are slightly above the national average for the number of clinical hours.

I'd like to ask why schools need to have 4-year programs? And, now, some states are allowing graduates to attend a 5th year AEGD or GPR to side-step the licensing exams.

My theory is that Pacific has a well-defined vision of who they are and what they want to accomplish, largely thanks to Dr. Dugoni. The school focuses all of its resources on graduating competent clinicians. They've spent years refining their program and cutting out all of the fat so that the program can be completed in three years.

The fact that Pacific students last year scored an average of 86.7% (national average of 85.X%)on the boards with only a 1.3% (national average of 9.X%) fail rate indicates that didactically Pacific's program is more than adequate. In regards to clinic abilities, 100% passed the California licensing boards, and nearly 100% passed the WREB licensing exams.

Three years is enough time to turn out good clinicans. Why haven't any other programs implemented a three year program? Pacific has been a 3 year program for just 30 years. During that time the program has been tried and tested. Other schools could copy and adapt the program for their school.

Ya, UOP definitly graduates some darn good technicians.

 

[luder98]

Ya, UOP definitly graduates some darn good technicians.

Ouch!

 

[JavadiCavity]

I don't think anyone is doubting that uop turns out good clinicians, especially since that's what they are known for. i think some of us at almost year round schools (11 months/year) are wondering either a) what are we doing wasting this much time or b) are you guys missing out on some important stuff

however, i really doubt that board passing rates are a good evaluation tool of how good clinician you are (i know i'll catch a lot of crap for this statement) but seriously, just cuz you do well on your boards does that mean you can successfully run a private practice?

bottom line, if we really wanted to know this answer lets round up all the residency directors and put them in a room and see what they say

Sorry for the delay, we've just moved to a better neighborhood and I had to wait 10 days for the internet connection to transfer.

I didn't mean to imply that board passing rates indicate that Pacific grads are better clinically. My intention was to illustrate that Pacific grads are just as able as their peers in other schools.

In regards to the idea that Pacific as the 4th highest AA score which should correlate to much higher board scores, my response is this: For the most part, folks who achieve high board scores WANTED to achieve high board scores because they WANTED to specialize. There will always be students who are happy putting in a medium effort to get a passing score on the boards because they don't want to specialize. As a corallary, Dean Dugoni met with our class yesterday and encouraged us to strive for higher board scores regardless of our future ambitions. His rationale was that higher board scores would add to the continually increasing reputation of Pacific.

 

[dat_student]

...In regards to the idea that Pacific as the 4th highest AA score which should correlate to much higher board scores, my response is this: For the most part, folks who achieve high board scores WANTED to achieve high board scores because they WANTED to specialize. There will always be students who are happy putting in a medium effort to get a passing score on the boards because they don't want to specialize...

I guess UOP prefers to accept good students who don't want to specialize...

 

[JavadiCavity]

I guess UOP prefers to accept good students who don't want to specialize...

Perhaps, but honestly, how can an admissions committee predict whether or not a student will or will not specialize 3 or 4 years down the road? For the most part (I'd say 7 out of 10 students) have no idea what they will do at graduation. Some students who wanted to specialize when school started 5 months ago are now rethinking that idea, and I'd bet the farm that they'll change their minds again at least a dozen times before graduation.

My guess is that AA and board scores have about as much to do with each other as the winner of the world series and the DJIA--interesting but no real statistical correlation.

 

[dat_student]

...My guess is that AA and board scores have about as much to do with each other as the winner of the world series and the DJIA--interesting but no real statistical correlation.

Thanks

 

[drhobie7]

My guess is that AA and board scores have about as much to do with each other as the winner of the world series and the DJIA--interesting but no real statistical correlation.

I understand why there is a correlation. They're both standardized tests in the sciences and are gateways to future "educational success". There are plenty of students who try to do well on NBDE-I even though they aren't specializing. For example, students who are planning on doing general dentistry and want to do an AEGD or GPR. There are also students who don't know if they are specializing until further into their 3rd year. Obviously they don't want to be limited by poor board scores taken prior.

Medical schools have been studying the relationship between MCAT scores and performance on USMLE-I for quite some time. They have found an association. This is part of the reason why they weigh them so heavily.

 

[dat_student]

I understand why there is a correlation. They're both standardized tests in the sciences and are gateways to future "educational success". There are plenty of students who try to do well on NBDE-I even though they aren't specializing. For example, students who are planning on doing general dentistry and want to do an AEGD or GPR. There are also students who don't know if they are specializing until further into their 3rd year. Obviously they don't want to be limited by poor board scores taken prior.

Medical schools have been studying the relationship between MCAT scores and performance on USMLE-I for quite some time. They have found an association. This is part of the reason why they weigh them so heavily.

drhobie7, why can't UOP students [with high AA] do very well on NBDE-I? Could it because UOP's sci. GPA (3.17) is very low? ( http://dentalstats.tripod.com/03-04.htm )

It's very hard to figure out what kind of students UOP wants? It has one of the highest AA averages and one of the lowest sci. GPAs.

AA: http://dentalstats.tripod.com/03-04.htm
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#1) Harvard.......22
#2) UCLA...........22
#3) Columbia......21
#4) UW..............21
#5) UCSF............20.78
#6) UOP..............20.6

Sci. GPA: http://dentalstats.tripod.com/03-04.htm
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#56) Meharry.......2.81
#55) Howard........2.9
#54) NYU.............2.94
#53) UMKC...........3.0
#52) Boston..........3.04
#51) UNLV............3.08
#50) Temple..........3.15
#49) UOP..............3.17

 

[Unemployed]

Your stats are a bit outdated.

Here are the latest scores from Pacific: AA 20.7
PAT 19.2
GPA 3.34
Science GPA 3.33

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=234780

I'm sure with this year application influx, many of those stats will dramatically increase.

drhobie7, why can't UOP students [with high AA] do very well on NBDE-I? Could it because UOP's sci. GPA (3.17) is very low? ( http://dentalstats.tripod.com/03-04.htm )

It's very hard to figure out what kind of students UOP wants? It has one of the highest AA averages and one of the lowest sci. GPAs.

AA: http://dentalstats.tripod.com/03-04.htm
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#1) Harvard.......22
#2) UCLA...........22
#3) Columbia......21
#4) UW..............21
#5) UCSF............20.78
#6) UOP..............20.6

Sci. GPA: http://dentalstats.tripod.com/03-04.htm
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#56) Meharry.......2.81
#55) Howard........2.9
#54) NYU.............2.94
#53) UMKC...........3.0
#52) Boston..........3.04
#51) UNLV............3.08
#50) Temple..........3.15
#49) UOP..............3.17

 

[drhobie7]

drhobie7, why can't UOP students [with high AA] do very well on NBDE-I?

I did not say they can't do well on NBDE-I. Many can and do. I'm sure all of them could if they wanted to. There's no mystery to NBDE-I. You study a given set of information long enough and you'll do well. I can't hypothesize about any disconnect between UOP's DAT and NBDE, if it even exists. Does it? I'm not going to do any math to figure it out. I think JavadiCavity might be right that most students at UOP plan on doing general dentistry and therefore do not shoot for the 99. My point was simply that there is generally an association between DAT and NBDE-I. The definition of association is not cause and effect. It means two occurrences coexist. There may also be an association between didactic curriculum and NBDE-I. I don't really know where this thread is going. If you're capable of getting a 99 you can do it at any school.

 

[dat_student]

I did not say they can't do well on NBDE-I. Many can and do. I'm sure all of them could if they wanted to. There's no mystery to NBDE-I. You study a given set of information long enough and you'll do well. I can't hypothesize about any disconnect between UOP's DAT and NBDE, if it even exists. Does it? I'm not going to do any math to figure it out. I think JavadiCavity might be right that most students at UOP plan on doing general dentistry and therefore do not shoot for the 99. My point was simply that there is generally an association between DAT and NBDE-I. The definition of association is not cause and effect. It means two occurrences coexist. There may also be an association between didactic curriculum and NBDE-I. I don't really know where this thread is going. If you're capable of getting a 99 you can do it at any school.

ok thanks so much.

 

[Hot pickle baby]

Hey guys,

I was really interested in going to UOP but recently I have been hearing that around the dental community UOP dentists are reguarded as Dr. 3/4 because they only complete 3 years of dental school instead of 4. That is really turning me off about UOP because I dont want to be looked down upon once I graduate. Are any of you feeling the same thing? have any of you guys heard similar things?

I heard that.