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So the very first rotation of my 4th year is an away EM rotation (Denver of all places) and I'm starting to feel a bit of pressure. I'll only have 5 days after my OB/GYN shelf to "change gears." (i'll try not to do a pap on every pt)
Basically, what are they expecting?
I figuered I'd glance over first aid EM and spend some time in my home program's ED before I head out there. I imagine the old "be early and be perky" goes for EM as well. Any other advice?
thanks
streetdoc
 
streetdoc said:
So the very first rotation of my 4th year is an away EM rotation (Denver of all places) and I'm starting to feel a bit of pressure. I'll only have 5 days after my OB/GYN shelf to "change gears." (i'll try not to do a pap on every pt)
Basically, what are they expecting?
I figuered I'd glance over first aid EM and spend some time in my home program's ED before I head out there. I imagine the old "be early and be perky" goes for EM as well. Any other advice?
thanks
streetdoc

I would say that it is better to do a good job on fewer patients than show some magical ability to move patients. That doesnt mean you have to act like you are on the medicine floor but be thorough.
 
streetdoc said:
So the very first rotation of my 4th year is an away EM rotation (Denver of all places) and I'm starting to feel a bit of pressure. I'll only have 5 days after my OB/GYN shelf to "change gears." (i'll try not to do a pap on every pt)
Basically, what are they expecting?
I figuered I'd glance over first aid EM and spend some time in my home program's ED before I head out there. I imagine the old "be early and be perky" goes for EM as well. Any other advice?
thanks
streetdoc

great question! hopefully more of you veterans can post some helpful pointers.
 
Street,

I agree with Ectopic, so do a good job at managing a few instead of doing an okay job trying to juggle more patients. They'll notice you more in a bad way if you fumble while trying to run the ED yourself.

A good book to read while in Denver is EM Secrets. It was written by Markovchick who is an attending there and Pons who is in the process of retiring.

You'll have to do a patient presentation case in front of your peers and some attendings.

No test.

You'll get an attending mentor who will meet with you several times over the course of your month. They can be the ones to write your LOR. Try to work as many shifts with them as you can. You'll also interview when you're there.

I was in the same boat as you (first EM rotation of my life) and felt a little behind compared to some of the other students there. It is a competitive rotation at a competitive residency.

That being said, I had an absolute blast and learned a ton. Good luck.
 
1. get a good h/p, be thorough
2. BEFORE you present to your resident/attending have a plan of what you would like to do, be prepared to defend
3. take a couple minutes after seeing the patient to gather your thoughts and put together a coherent presentation
4. NEVER check out a procedure to anyone (suturing, pelvics, LP, DRE, etc..), usually we students love to do those things, so it's not really an issue, but sometimes you have those crappy shifts. You just want to leave the ED, but you can't, you have to wrap up loose ends.
5. NEVER just leave when you have a patient that is to be admitted. you need to call the admit team, make sure that they have a bed, and that all is squared away. nothing worse than a resident who just came on shift trying to figure out this patient who has been sitting here for the last 5 hours and explain it to the admitting team. yeah it creates more work for that resident, but worse, the whole shift change time is where the most errors occur, so stay the extra 30m-1h to make sure that your patients are prepared for dispo, set for admission or at a point that it is safe for someone else to take over.

you can take all of this with a grain of salt since i am just getting ready to start residency. I didn't do a "warm-up" EM rotation at my home institution, so i was REALLY rusty when i did my first away at Christiana. It comes back to you really quickly. I did two away rotations last year, used this advice that was passed on to me from this website and got A's/Sups/Honors on the rotations. Remember that the ED is the workhorse of the hospital. typically the residents are pretty well-respected because we work hard, efficiently and love to do procedures. That is what makes the ED and it's staff unique. You likely know that this is what you want to do, so just work hard and have fun. I was scared as hell for my first rotation, it's normal. Just do what got you here, bust your ass.

I didn't rotate at Denver, and thus know nothing about their system, but other "big name" institutions really lay out your role for you. There should be no mystery. The first day they will tell you exactly what's expected. Do it and then some. You will be fine. I loved every second of my two away rotations. I met some great people, learned more in 8 weeks of ED then one year of medical school.
 
I was in a similar situation going in to 4th year. I had not spent any real time at all in the ED before my first rotation (other than admitting pt's on medicine and peds at my home school which has a crap ED) which happened to be my very first rotation. All the above advice is great. Everyone there will know you're a 4th year student early in the year and will not outright expect you carry 10 pt's when you walk through the door. As in most situations, if you're worried about performing well you most likely will!
As for me, I ended up matching at the place I did my first rotation...
 
I bought it, it's a great book, but I never used it. I used my palm PEPID program all the time. I was told to get it, it really is a great book, I just always forgot that it was in my pocket, but never forgot about my palm. Plus PEPID rocks. It has everything that you can imagine. I think I had a 6 month subscription for like 70 bucks. It's pretty pricey but well worth it. I will be renewing once residency starts.

If you are a book person, then get that. It is worth it.


PluckyDuk8 said:
Anyone familiar with this book?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/07...f=pd_bbs_1/002-8845153-2529630?_encoding=UTF8

Would it be any help for 4th years on their rotations?

Thanks.
 
You can get a free 30 day trial of pepid...and i actually was able to get another free with a different email and using the hospital address...

as a graduating pgy3 the thing that sets apart the stellar students are the ones who are "teachable" and don't act like they know everything (cuz lord knows i still don't!) but also come out of the room (in less than 20 minutes!) with a solid h&p and PLAN for what to do about their differentials. Don't just give me and h&p and stop...tell me what you're worried about, how you want to work it up and what things we need to do right now. then listen to why we do or don't need each test in the ED while we discuss it.

It's ok to read up a little before you present if your resident/attending isn't waiting for you to present. But as mentioned before it is highly important not to have bunches of loose ends...a few patients with every t crossed and i dotted and well thought out plans, and followed ED courses goes far...a bunch that you just take an h&p and get distracted will not stand out in a good way!

most of all use it to see how you'd fit in there. it's a little different as a resident, but could you picture yourself with those attnedings for the next 3 years???
 
Thanks for the great advice guys!

What procedures do we need to be comfortable with??
Will we ever get a chance at a tube?
suturing, i assume, is a good skill...do we need to know subcuticulars/mattresses?
IVs?
thanks, this is very helpful!
streetdoc
 
streetdoc said:
Thanks for the great advice guys!

What procedures do we need to be comfortable with??
Will we ever get a chance at a tube?
suturing, i assume, is a good skill...do we need to know subcuticulars/mattresses?
IVs?
thanks, this is very helpful!
streetdoc

i did two medical tubes (not trauma) on one away. it really depends on the institution. my second away rotation didn't let the interns tube, so i didn't either.

tons of lacs, abscess drainage, resetting fx's, splinting, toenail removal, wound debridement, LP, pelvic, ABG (you don't have to, but I never had so I volunteered), IV's (again, not necessary, but I didn't have much experience, so I offered OR got tired of waiting).

it's sooooo much fun!!!!
 
streetdoc said:
Thanks for the great advice guys!

What procedures do we need to be comfortable with??
Will we ever get a chance at a tube?
suturing, i assume, is a good skill...do we need to know subcuticulars/mattresses?
IVs?
thanks, this is very helpful!
streetdoc


Tons of suturing. You'll be so sick of fixing lacs by the time you are done, but you'll get outstanding teaching over the subject.

No tubes.

IV's if you want to. The support staff at Denver is outstanding for a county so transport, IV's, etc are only if you really want to.

Lots of I & D's. Some U/S. Maybe a few pelvics, but mostly the 2nd years do that. Some LP's. Did I mention a lot of suturing? Markovchick will teach you a lot about suturing.

Hope this helps.
 
Many graduating ms4s talk about this book. what does it have that is not available elsewhere for someone about to go through the match process, and is it really worth buying?
 
RayF said:
Many graduating ms4s talk about this book. what does it have that is not available elsewhere for someone about to go through the match process, and is it really worth buying?
As far as the iserson's book, IMO 4th yr might be a little late. Basically he talks about picking a specialty, how competetive they are (though I dont agree with all his thoughts on that) how to behave during an interview, post interview follow up etc. I read like 1/2 the book and it was more than enough for me. To each his own..

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/18...102-7059588-6278518?s=books&v=glance&n=283155
 
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