Update (~2 years after leaving medical school)

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Hi all. For any of those who saw my original video post regarding leaving medical school, this video is a very brief follow-up -- mainly to instill confidence in those who might feel that medicine is not the right route in life. Best of luck to all!! -RP

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Lol, I definitely just watched this at 2x speed...I watch all videos at 2x speed nowadays actually.

Haha, same!

I have thoughts everyday about whether or not I made the right choice going to medical school, especially nowadays because I hate, HATE, hate the module we are currently doing. But sometimes there are moments, usually in continuity clinic where I'm examining the patient or presenting to the attending, where something clicks and I realize that all the studying I am doing now will have some meaning down the road. These moments are few and far between, but I'm hoping they will become more frequent during 3rd and 4th year. Long story short, for those constantly questioning their decision to go to medical school, realize that it is normal and it will get better with time.

To OP, I am glad that you are doing well. It takes a lot of courage, introspection, and self awareness to do what you did.
 
It's reassuring to know that life can continue on and happiness can be found for those who decide to leave. It's crossed my mind, and even though I still like what I'm doing, I question my ability to hack it and actually make it through the match and residency. My health also took it's share of hits in the last 3 years. Glad to see you're doing much better, I remember your posts from a while back and appreciate the update.
 
Hi all. For any of those who saw my original video post regarding leaving medical school, this video is a very brief follow-up -- mainly to instill confidence in those who might feel that medicine is not the right route in life. Best of luck to all!! -RP

Link to video update:


How long were you in school before you left?
Debt?
What are you doing now?
 
Hi all -- so sorry for my delayed response. I started my own tutoring business, and currently I have about 15 students ranging from age 10 to age 40, all of whom I teach privately (online and in-person). Currently, the topics that I am tutoring include: calculus-based physics, metabolism, organic & general chemistry, common core math, anatomy, psychology, geometry, neurology, immunology, SAT, ACT & MCAT. I make $50/hour. It took about a year to develop a solid customer base. The most amazing part of my job is that I am my own boss; there is nobody looking over my shoulder. Thanks to having gone through medical school, the intimidation factor of learning-on-the-fly is null; this is how I can teach so many subjects, extending my assistance to students across the nation.

I agree so entirely with some of the comments above, and especially those from individuals who find a purpose in the path to medicine -- I respect that FULLY. For me, it was a unique scenario in which I felt out-of-place in the medical realm. Truthfully, the stress wore me down to the point where I was no longer myself; in leaving medicine, I have rediscovered purpose in life. As I mention in my first video posted 2 years ago (which is now public on my YouTube site, in case anyone might want to see it), I entered medical school with a sort of "tunnel vision" -- all I could envision was myself in a white coat, earning the respect that I felt I deserved, all while I was not respecting myself (my own health etc.).

I am happy to answer any other questions; however, I am currently working full-time including most weekends, so please forgive my delay in responding. Thanks for your interest and best of luck to all.
 
How long were you in school before you left?
Debt?
What are you doing now?
I was in medical school for 2 and a half years. I do not have debt, making my decision MUCH easier. I feel deeply for those who do have debt, however; for these individuals, leaving medical school can present as an unfeasible option. That being said, at what price should we value our health, sanity & happiness? It is certainly a difficult decision to make, no matter the circumstances.
 
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I was in medical school for 2 and a half years. I do not have debt, making my decision MUCH easier. I feel deeply for those who do have debt, however; for these individuals, leaving medical school can present as an unfeasible option. That being said, at what price should we value our health, sanity & happiness? It is certainly a difficult decision to make, no matter the circumstances.

I am very impressed with your tutoring business. That is a smart move and we are all proud and happy for you! Although just wondering how did you not have debt? Did your parents pay for it or something like that?
 
I was in medical school for 2 and a half years. I do not have debt, making my decision MUCH easier. I feel deeply for those who do have debt, however; for these individuals, leaving medical school can present as an unfeasible option. That being said, at what price should we value our health, sanity & happiness? It is certainly a difficult decision to make, no matter the circumstances.

Thanks for sharing. I am glad things are working out for you. Watching the "So, I left Medical School" you have re-uploaded recently. I have a different story. Went to SGU (a Caribbean school), didn't match with mediocre scores. Instead of working on reapplying for residency. I decided to work for the government to have my student loan forgiven.

Making 46k a year now, but that's how's the government bracket work, next year I should be pulling in 70k a year. BTW I'll have 1 million dollars in student loan forgiveness in 10 years.

I feel like I have suffered some minor brain damage and emotional trauma of medical school along with the clinical rotations. Though I learned how to appreciate life outside medicine better.
 
I was in medical school for 2 and a half years. I do not have debt, making my decision MUCH easier. I feel deeply for those who do have debt, however; for these individuals, leaving medical school can present as an unfeasible option. That being said, at what price should we value our health, sanity & happiness? It is certainly a difficult decision to make, no matter the circumstances.

Teach me your ways; how did you not accumulate ANY debt half way through medical school?
 
Those who quit medical school later down the road feel like the made the right choice. Those who stay in the medical school later down the road feel like they made the right choice. Its all about perspective.

It's more like the inherent ability of humans to go through a moratorium phase and then proceed on in the rest of their life. Regardless of what you do now the reality is that 10 years down the line you'll be about as happy.

But sure, no doubt that not doing medicine has its major perks. While I'm in my apt studying and procrastinating, my friends are at the park, at shows, eating out every other week, etc. I'd be a fool to say that I don't miss that. But then again my mind is occupied enough that I don't notice it either.
 
I quit med school a year and a half ago. I regret it every now and then, until I think back to how much I hated med school and how much my future would have sucked. Last week was the first week of class of my masters program. I won't sugarcoat it: the coursework isn't thoroughly captivating but it is enjoyable, more so than med school. I'm looking forward to finishing my degree in a couple years and landing an interesting and challenging job that will afford me a good salary and the free time to pursue my own hobbies and interests.

FWIW I quit after five months of first year, at the end of first semester. I had serious doubts a couple months in and by the end of the 4th month I was positive I wanted out. Thank god I didn't listen to the people who pushed me to stick out the first year.
 
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I quit med school a year and a half ago. I regret it every now and then, until I think back to how much I hated med school and how much my future would have sucked. Last week was the first week of class of my masters program. I won't sugarcoat it: the coursework isn't thoroughly captivating but it is enjoyable, more so than med school. I'm looking forward to finishing my degree in a couple years and landing an interesting and challenging job that will afford me a good salary and the free time to pursue my own hobbies and interests.

FWIW I quit after five months of first year, at the end of first semester. I had serious doubts a couple months in and by the end of the 4th month I was positive I wanted out. Thank god I didn't listen to the people who pushed me to stick out the first year.

reason(s) for deciding it wasn't for you?
 
I quit med school a year and a half ago. I regret it every now and then, until I think back to how much I hated med school and how much my future would have sucked. Last week was the first week of class of my masters program. I won't sugarcoat it: the coursework isn't thoroughly captivating but it is enjoyable, more so than med school. I'm looking forward to finishing my degree in a couple years and landing an interesting and challenging job that will afford me a good salary and the free time to pursue my own hobbies and interests.

FWIW I quit after five months of first year, at the end of first semester. I had serious doubts a couple months in and by the end of the 4th month I was positive I wanted out. Thank god I didn't listen to the people who pushed me to stick out the first year.

Best of luck on your accounting masters. I was thinking of doing some post-bac class to qualify to take CPA exam. But I looked into working for the Big Four, and the hours they have is just as bad as residency. Stories of accountants sleeping under desks, and working 80 hour work weeks during tax season.
 
I'm a senior EM resident and this post resonated with me 🙁

Not a day goes by that I wonder if I should have picked a different specialty or field altogether. The "high salary" (250k/year) isn't really that large when you consider the behemoth effort required to get to this point and the liability one assumes. And what are the perks? A life time of dealing with nonsense, answering to hospital administration, and boat-loads of charting (I have 16 charts from my shift that ended a few hours ago to finish!).

The most important part of this post is that the OP is her own boss. Controlling your work environment is such a critical aspect to happiness if you are relegated to being a wage-slave like most of the US populace. EM docs (and a lot of other specialties) are no longer in charge of their practices. Metrics, patient satisfaction, protocols, and "standard of care" pigeon hole me and my colleagues routinely. "No doctor, you cannot give that medication because it is against hospital policy to use it without getting x,y, z test and you can only run it at this rate" "No doctor, ketamine is a dangerous drug and cannot be used for that without monitoring, an RN/RT/Tech in the room, aid airway equipment close by. "No doctor, you have to properly document this diagnosis (read: bend the truth) in order to bill for a level 5 chart, otherwise the hospital loses money." My attendings answer to the medical director, who answers to the C-suite who answers to the hospital board and so on. You are a cog, utterly replaceable.

The only physicians that have similar autonomy as the OP are doctors that can still open a cash-based practice (dermatology, plastic surgery, and choices such as those) and a select few elective surgeons who bring actual profit to hospitals that lose money on other acute care services, which seem to be predominantly medicaid patients.

The problem is that as pre-meds, and even medical students, there is no conceivable way for you to understand the rigors of being a doctor, let alone what each specialty entails as an attending. I don't understand it yet to the full extent because I'm not an attending (though moonlighting has matured me considerably).

If you have rich parents like the OP, and not a mountain of debt like I do, I would consider the option of leaving or at least finishing school to get the MD and moving on to something else. I will practicing until I can pay off the debt and then ideally stumble upon some other profession. The pay cut will be welcomed because I will gain so much in other aspects of my life.

Remember this as you move on to the next post: I was just as eager as some of you during my MS4 EM audition rotation. I thought EM was the best! I even was an EMT for a while and thought that this is what I wanted. Nothing cooler than "saving a life" right? I hate to break your bubble, but I can count the amount of "true saves" I've had on one finger and my colleagues would corroborate their similar experiences too.

Medicine eats your soul one day at a time and one day you will look at yourself and wonder how the heck you got here!
 
reason(s) for deciding it wasn't for you?
Didn't like rote memorization or having to go 100% full throttle just to be average/below average. Coursework wasn't really that interesting.

Best of luck on your accounting masters. I was thinking of doing some post-bac class to qualify to take CPA exam. But I looked into working for the Big Four, and the hours they have is just as bad as residency. Stories of accountants sleeping under desks, and working 80 hour work weeks during tax season.

Thanks. I'm not sure if I want to do Big 4. You're right -- the hours at the Big 4 suck, but it's only during busy season, and the exit opportunities are great. Outside of the Big 4, there are smaller firms with more reasonable hours and good pay, and industry (private accounting) jobs are always an option for work-life balance. 🙂
 
Didn't like rote memorization or having to go 100% full throttle just to be average/below average. Coursework wasn't really that interesting.



Thanks. I'm not sure if I want to do Big 4. You're right -- the hours at the Big 4 suck, but it's only during busy season, and the exit opportunities are great. Outside of the Big 4, there are smaller firms with more reasonable hours and good pay, and industry (private accounting) jobs are always an option for work-life balance. 🙂

Feel like you've matured a lot, glad you have your life figured out.
 
As an ER nurse, I have to 100% agree with the senior EM resident listed above...medicine has changed dramatically that it is very depressing indeed.

I work very hard to work together with the EM docs to make their lives easier because we both have it tough; it's all about dollars and cents. I just finished a mandatory class on how to chart properly in order to draw more revenue into the hospital. How about the current trend of blowing off triage and bringing people right to the room without vitals or proper triage assessment. "Chest pain straight to the back" or "level one code stroke straight to the back" for someone who says, "I have numbness in my fingers" but it is obvious their NIH is 0 or one at best. Talk about bleeding the system dry. Do you know how many STEMI's I've seen with "Chest pain straight to the back" in the past year...none. Not even a NSTEMI. They come off of EMS. However, just those words alone will equate a bill of $100k plus starting. Bag of NS, $1k. Pulse ox on the finger, $350.00. EKG: I'm sure it's up there. Triage is now a reception area.

Do these people need to be evaluated, yes. Do these people need to be screened for their symptoms, absolutely! But the current system over promises and under delivers. It's a bad way to increase their scores to bring them right to the back.

Although I'd love to become an EM doc, perhaps teaching kindergarten may be fitting.
 
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As an ER nurse, I have to 100% agree with the senior EM resident listed above...medicine has changed dramatically that it is very depressing indeed.

I work very hard to work together with the EM docs to make their lives easier because we both have it tough; it's all about dollars and cents. I just finished a mandatory class on how to chart properly in order to draw more revenue into the hospital. How about the current trend of blowing off triage and bringing people right to the room without vitals or proper triage assessment. "Chest pain straight to the back" or "level one code stroke straight to the back" for someone who says, "I have numbness in my fingers" but it is obvious their NIH is 0 or one at best. Talk about bleeding the system dry. Do you know how many STEMI's I've seen with "Chest pain straight to the back" in the past year...none. Not even a NSTEMI. They come off of EMS. However, just those words alone will equate a bill of $100k plus starting. Bag of NS, $1k. Pulse ox on the finger, $350.00. EKG: I'm sure it's up there. Triage is now a reception area.

Do these people need to be evaluated, yes. Do these people need to be screened for their symptoms, absolutely! But the current system over promises and under delivers. It's a bad way to increase their scores to bring them right to the back.

Although I'd love to become an EM doc, perhaps teaching kindergarten may be fitting.

I used to think why do we have triage why can't the docs just see everyone right away but the nurses are fantastic and triage is awesome. Sometimes they're wrong about the story but that's OK because that's my job
 
Man, this thread just affirms my current philosophy in med school. Health, personal wellness, both come first before school. I am totally fine cruising along the average if it means preserving my sanity.
 
Man, this thread just affirms my current philosophy in med school. Health, personal wellness, both come first before school. I am totally fine cruising along the average if it means preserving my sanity.

As I've stated on here before, I found it well worth it to push the throttle during medical school for a measly 3 1/2 years to ensure a lifetime of relaxation, health, family time, and lower stress. Many people unfortunately choose the inverse.
 
As I've stated on here before, I found it well worth it to push the throttle during medical school for a measly 3 1/2 years to ensure a lifetime of relaxation, health, family time, and lower stress. Many people unfortunately choose the inverse.

Word, I got to interview at a bunch of nice places and I like my current program a lot. Very happy that my hard work paid off.
 
As I've stated on here before, I found it well worth it to push the throttle during medical school for a measly 3 1/2 years to ensure a lifetime of relaxation, health, family time, and lower stress. Many people unfortunately choose the inverse.
Many medical students, you mean? Do you feel that you have achieved all of these things in your life? Did you base your specialty on this?
 
I'm a senior EM resident and this post resonated with me 🙁

Not a day goes by that I wonder if I should have picked a different specialty or field altogether. The "high salary" (250k/year) isn't really that large when you consider the behemoth effort required to get to this point and the liability one assumes. And what are the perks? A life time of dealing with nonsense, answering to hospital administration, and boat-loads of charting (I have 16 charts from my shift that ended a few hours ago to finish!).

The most important part of this post is that the OP is her own boss. Controlling your work environment is such a critical aspect to happiness if you are relegated to being a wage-slave like most of the US populace. EM docs (and a lot of other specialties) are no longer in charge of their practices. Metrics, patient satisfaction, protocols, and "standard of care" pigeon hole me and my colleagues routinely. "No doctor, you cannot give that medication because it is against hospital policy to use it without getting x,y, z test and you can only run it at this rate" "No doctor, ketamine is a dangerous drug and cannot be used for that without monitoring, an RN/RT/Tech in the room, aid airway equipment close by. "No doctor, you have to properly document this diagnosis (read: bend the truth) in order to bill for a level 5 chart, otherwise the hospital loses money." My attendings answer to the medical director, who answers to the C-suite who answers to the hospital board and so on. You are a cog, utterly replaceable.

The only physicians that have similar autonomy as the OP are doctors that can still open a cash-based practice (dermatology, plastic surgery, and choices such as those) and a select few elective surgeons who bring actual profit to hospitals that lose money on other acute care services, which seem to be predominantly medicaid patients.

The problem is that as pre-meds, and even medical students, there is no conceivable way for you to understand the rigors of being a doctor, let alone what each specialty entails as an attending. I don't understand it yet to the full extent because I'm not an attending (though moonlighting has matured me considerably).

If you have rich parents like the OP, and not a mountain of debt like I do, I would consider the option of leaving or at least finishing school to get the MD and moving on to something else. I will practicing until I can pay off the debt and then ideally stumble upon some other profession. The pay cut will be welcomed because I will gain so much in other aspects of my life.

Remember this as you move on to the next post: I was just as eager as some of you during my MS4 EM audition rotation. I thought EM was the best! I even was an EMT for a while and thought that this is what I wanted. Nothing cooler than "saving a life" right? I hate to break your bubble, but I can count the amount of "true saves" I've had on one finger and my colleagues would corroborate their similar experiences too.

Medicine eats your soul one day at a time and one day you will look at yourself and wonder how the heck you got here!

Leave the country.

That's what I'm doing after residency.

There are places out there where you can truly save someone's life every shift.
 
Leave the country.

That's what I'm doing after residency.

There are places out there where you can truly save someone's life every shift.

Can you really just leave the country though? I always thought it was a joke when people said something along the lines of "I'm just leaving the country if I can't pay back my student loans."
 
As I've stated on here before, I found it well worth it to push the throttle during medical school for a measly 3 1/2 years to ensure a lifetime of relaxation, health, family time, and lower stress. Many people unfortunately choose the inverse.

What specialty are you in?
 
Many medical students, you mean? Do you feel that you have achieved all of these things in your life? Did you base your specialty on this?

Yes, many medical students.

I do feel I've set myself up well for those things indeed.

I didn't solely base my specialty choice on this, but it was absolutely a major contributing factor.
 
I recently made the same choice after taking a LOA and torturing myself for a year with my ambivalence about it. I don't think anybody could have talked me out of med school beforehand, it was something I had to experience firsthand for myself. Its nearly impossible to understand what life as a medical student is actually like unless you've experienced it. I will forever be humbled by the willingness of physicians and trainees to sacrifice so much of themselves to a training process so unrelenting and merciless. No way I could have survived 6 more years of that and been a remotely balanced and healthy person. Tough pill to swallow but life goes on.
 
I recently made the same choice after taking a LOA and torturing myself for a year with my ambivalence about it. I don't think anybody could have talked me out of med school beforehand, it was something I had to experience firsthand for myself. Its nearly impossible to understand what life as a medical student is actually like unless you've experienced it. I will forever be humbled by the willingness of physicians and trainees to sacrifice so much of themselves to a training process so unrelenting and merciless. No way I could have survived 6 more years of that and been a remotely balanced and healthy person. Tough pill to swallow but life goes on.

Best of luck with wherever your journey takes you.
 
I recently made the same choice after taking a LOA and torturing myself for a year with my ambivalence about it. I don't think anybody could have talked me out of med school beforehand, it was something I had to experience firsthand for myself. Its nearly impossible to understand what life as a medical student is actually like unless you've experienced it. I will forever be humbled by the willingness of physicians and trainees to sacrifice so much of themselves to a training process so unrelenting and merciless. No way I could have survived 6 more years of that and been a remotely balanced and healthy person. Tough pill to swallow but life goes on.

Thank you for sharing your story. Would you also mind sharing what you did during your LOA, and what you're doing now?
 
I am very impressed with your tutoring business. That is a smart move and we are all proud and happy for you! Although just wondering how did you not have debt? Did your parents pay for it or something like that?

My parents worked my entire childhood life, literally, to save up for my tuition for pre-medical undergraduate education and later for medical school. I wanted to be a doctor since a very young age, so my family believed in me and... well, I hope that answers your question. Thank you so much for your kind response!!!!!
 
Teach me your ways; how did you not accumulate ANY debt half way through medical school?

My parents sacrificed a great deal in terms of working -- both of them, full time, throughout much of my younger life -- to ensure that I would not have any debt in my pathway to medical school.
 
lol this post is such crap. The only way to be happy in life is to spend 100+ hrs/wk in the hospital being miserable. Anyone who says otherwise is selling snake oil.

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Over the course of tutoring such a wide-range of topics over the past year or so, I have taken affinity towards the process of learning and specifically as it pertains to the sciences. What type of graduate education should I pursue, if any? This is a question that I consider. I have dissected a human body and learned from it thoroughly; my ability to comprehend and interpret material is above the average. It is interesting, very, to apply medical school skills to the outer world, per say. Any idea, as to what I might seek a degree in next?
 
To be as real as possible with any of whom my words might affect, your words affect me. So please, if you have no positive feedback to provide in regards to the progress that I have made since leaving medical school, don't leave any at all. It hurts my feelings. Straight up. This is a feel good post, to encourage good feelings. We all need so much more of that!!! Thanks all 🙂 -RP
 
My parents sacrificed a great deal in terms of working -- both of them, full time, throughout much of my younger life -- to ensure that I would not have any debt in my pathway to medical school.

If you had $100,000 in loans would you have done the same thing?
 
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