URGENT: Can i apply before MCAT!?

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[AshPreMed]

UofT is better at research than Cornell. Fact not well known to USA. Not being nationalist, just saying it as a fact and stating that it is not fair that Cornell students get it and UofT students do not. By the way, apparently the majority here think that there is no special consideration for any university's rank. So, whatever.

 

[UnclePhil]

UofT is better at research than Cornell. Fact not well known to USA. Not being nationalist, just saying it as a fact and stating that it is not fair that Cornell students get it and UofT students do not. By the way, apparently the majority here think that there is no special consideration for any university's rank. So, whatever.

1. What makes u of t better at research? I'm curious as to how you would really have any first hand insight to this as an undergrad. Or if you pulled this "fact" from an arbitrary rank list whose standards and criteria have absolutely zero reflection on your undergraduate education.
2. Why does it even matter? Did you do anything as an undergrad to contribute to the universitys research reputation? Are you getting letters from superstar faculty in relevant fields that say that you made significant contributions to scientific discovery for your institution.

A schools research rankings has nothing to do with things like grade inflation or difficulty of courses, etc. it has to do with things that are almost irrelevant to you as an undergrad. Unless you are a research superstar and bringing in significant grant money or running projects that are being published in Nature then I'm not seeing how the schools research rank is relevant to you at all.

 

[tiedyeddog]

UofT is better at research than Cornell. Fact not well known to USA. Not being nationalist, just saying it as a fact and stating that it is not fair that Cornell students get it and UofT students do not. By the way, apparently the majority here think that there is no special consideration for any university's rank. So, whatever.

Sorry said I was done in here, but I have to respond to this. How are you quantifying that?

http://www.usnews.com/education/worlds-best-universities-rankings/top-400-universities-in-the-world

Cornell is number 15, U of toronto is number 23. I trust this list a lot more compared to the studies you cited. My undergrad was listed in the fifties on yours (there is not way that's possible) and in the 100's in US News, which is way more likely.

I don't get what your issue is. There are hundreds of undergrads in the US, most Adcoms aren't going to know off hand the grade deflation at every school in the entire world.

 

[Luvahgilahsa]

UofT is better at research than Cornell. Fact not well known to USA. Not being nationalist, just saying it as a fact and stating that it is not fair that Cornell students get it and UofT students do not. By the way, apparently the majority here think that there is no special consideration for any university's rank. So, whatever.

wow, unbelievable....
First of all, who said U of T is better at research than Cornell? I have never heard of that in my life. Cornell's reputation in science and research is well known for over 100 years all over the world. Just to name a few famous ones, if you're a premed, you must have heard of Barbara McClintock, the one that discovered transposons. She was a graduate at Cornell and conducted her research there. Mars rover was also developed in the Cornell Space Laboratory, and the mission was monitored right in that building.

Cornell, a research university, is ranked fourth in the world in producing the largest number of graduates who go on to pursue PhDs in engineering or the natural sciences at American institutions, as well as fifth in the world in producing graduates who pursue PhDs at American institutions in any field.

Second of all, who said Cornell students get advantage???? I showed you a chart saying 3.3 no matter what is not easy, and mentioned that there might be a slight multiplying factor if your school is known to have grade deflation, but it's not for certain. I never said Cornell gets advantage.
Third of all, for the last time, you're judged based on your personal experience, not some blown up pride about what institution you have attended. The sooner you clear that out of your head, the easier it is for you to get into medical school.

 

[AshPreMed]

So you trust a US NEWS publisher when I show you a well-known neutral British publisher? I think your publisher has more conflict of interest. Anyways it doesn't matter what rank they are. Ranks fluctuate and as long as we're both in the top 23, our universities are all great. Harvard just came down to second place for example... Fluctuations happen and small discrepancies between independent research based on slightly different criteria yield slightly different results. I was just showing that UofT and Cornell are almost on the same level (no matter who's a tiny bit better). They're all pioneers.

Luvahgilasa, I know that the GPA is all that matters. I misread your first post when I was panicking (a lesson well learned...lol). Sorry for the misunderstanding.

The University of Toronto is not some unknown (except to many US premeds apparently 😛) new university that popped up a few decades ago and has been sitting doing nothing but teaching undergrads and engaging in meaningless research.

It was founded in 1823, and discovered insulin, and more.
http://www.greatpast.utoronto.ca/bios/history18.asp
http://www.research.utoronto.ca/aboutresearch/nobel-laureates/
http://www.utoronto.ca/about-uoft/quickfacts.htm

Anyways, dont mean to make this discussion too long. Sorry. Good luck in med school guys! This was just a side tracked discussion.

 

[Doctor Strange]

I read this thread and loled.

Seriously, though, OP, you come here asking for advice and then you turn around and start spouting all this elitist nonsense that has little to do with whether or not you're going to get into medical school.

The fact of the matter is, as it stands, you're going t be applying LATE and with a WEAK set of clinical ECs. Take the advice of everyone here: Apply next cycle.

 

[TheShaker]

This sounds like some kid who has accomplished nothing in college and is trying to wave around his high school accomplishments like they actually mean something. Really, I don't care if you attend Harvard, tone down your school boner.

 

[Leofet]

It's clear that Ash has pride in the institution that he attends (nothing wrong with that), and that he's letting it interfere with the discussion that truly matters at hand, and that is that he needs to revamp his approach to medical school applications. I think he already understands this, and so we should all leave this thread before this discussion escalates into a pointless debate over school rankings. It's not worth our time to prove each other wrong over something as trivial as this, unless you keep track of your own brownie points.

 

[Ironmandoc]

Here's how these threads usually go...

Step 1- Ask for "honest" advise
Step 2- Argue against the almost unanimous advise that you asked for
Step 3- Don't follow advise that you asked for in the end
Step 4- Don't get into medical school and become part of the 9 out of 10 premeds who never see the inside of a medical school classroom