URM Question about Meharry and Howard

[tehassan]

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Anyone know anything about non-African American applicants of a different URM minority group and how they are received? I'm talking about Asian/Arab/Indian/Native/etc-American applicants. I am a non-traditional URM but am weighing the options of applying to Howard/Meharry and was wondering what people's thoughts were on this...? Are there any non-African American (as well as non-white) URM applicants out there that can give me advice?

 

[toothfairyy]

I can only speak for Howard, i interviewed there. On interview date, we were given some file and it showed class stats which had like I think 60% URM. I will double check with paper, it isn't with me at the moment. I think I'm ADEA book it stated that Meharry took in a much higher % of URM.
They receive quite well, they tend to look holistically bc community service and giving back is quite important. I was surprised at how warm and friendly they are, especially compared to the other schools I interviewed so def a school to consider.

 

[toothfairyy]

Haha wow I realized I replied totally off tangent, but I am running on less than 2 hours of sleep + dentalworks got ur answer for ya so it is ALL good.

 

[dentalWorks]

Anyone know anything about non-African American applicants of a different URM minority group and how they are received? I'm talking about Asian/Arab/Indian/Native/etc-American applicants. I am a non-traditional URM but am weighing the options of applying to Howard/Meharry and was wondering what people's thoughts were on this...? Are there any non-African American (as well as non-white) URM applicants out there that can give me advice?

I replied to the other Arabic/Persian post, according to AADSAS, you are considered "white"

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=10841937&postcount=22

 

[yappy]

So does howard take 40% non URM? I've thought about applying to this school but wonder if they'll take a look at my app as I'm not a URM. Just trying to understand this schools philosophy.

 

[dentalWorks]

So does howard take 40% non URM? I've thought about applying to this school but wonder if they'll take a look at my app as I'm not a URM. Just trying to understand this schools philosophy.

when I was pre-med... I read somewhere that howard and mehary have to tendency to accept students that are not just URM, but (what I call) beyond URM. Its basically for students who have had a rough childhood, lived in bad neighborhoods, or troubled kids who later in their life decided to pull it together and apply to professional schools.... Probably explains why GPA/DAT averages for these schools is so much lower than any other school, they tend to take in kids with damaged backgrounds.

I am not saying this is always the case, I am sure they accept some folks who are non URM.

 

[freckles91932]

This may be really ignorant, but what is a "non-traditional" URM? And what is low income family count as?

 

[tehassan]

Non-traditional means you haven't gone the "traditional" route to get a degree. I am a 29 year old male applying for dental school, but am also Middle Eastern (ME), which most consider a URM even though there is no ME option for Arabs to check on the applications. Makes me wonder how many Arabs from the African continent put African American, and how many Arabs from the Asian continent put Asian American...and get away with it?!

 

[AwesomeTeeth]

Non-traditional means you haven't gone the "traditional" route to get a degree. I am a 29 year old male applying for dental school, but am also Middle Eastern (ME), which most consider a URM even though there is no ME option for Arabs to check on the applications. Makes me wonder how many Arabs from the African continent put African American, and how many Arabs from the Asian continent put Asian American...and get away with it?!

Sorry bro, you're not URM and middle eastern's aren't considered URM either. There's a thread about it on the forum called "Persian descent, what do i put" or something like that. You're supposed to put white according to AADSAS. Same as people from South Africa who are white and Arabs from the African continent. You're only African-American if you're black, it's that simple.

 

[Maygyver]

Also, asian-american isn't a URM either.

 

[tehassan]

right, im not disagreeing, but what i am saying is most Arabs do not considered themselves white, they consider themselves Arab no matter what you put on the app. there just is no option for Arab American and Middle Eastern/Arab/Persian/Desi falls under White. The fact is that Arabs ARE an URM and that's why I was wondering if ppl were putting something else based on their heritages geographical location today.

 

[Maygyver]

right, im not disagreeing, but what i am saying is most Arabs do not considered themselves white, they consider themselves Arab no matter what you put on the app. there just is no option for Arab American and Middle Eastern/Arab/Persian/Desi falls under White. The fact is that Arabs ARE an URM and that's why I was wondering if ppl were putting something else based on their heritages geographical location today.

Where did you read that Arabs are a URM? I've typically just heard hispanic, african american and native americans. (I might have missed one, but that's from the top of my head). Never have I heard of arabs as counting as URM.

 

[AwesomeTeeth]

right, im not disagreeing, but what i am saying is most Arabs do not considered themselves white, they consider themselves Arab no matter what you put on the app. there just is no option for Arab American and Middle Eastern/Arab/Persian/Desi falls under White. The fact is that Arabs ARE an URM and that's why I was wondering if ppl were putting something else based on their heritages geographical location today.

Obviously, I'm not saying Arab people are white people. I'm saying for AADSAS purposes, they would fall under the white category. And Desi would fall under Asian since its the Indian subcontinent.

I'm not sure if you're saying Arabs are URM according to your opinion or according to dental schools. But for dental school purposes, they are not.

 

[tehassan]

On the application (having read responses now and talked to my advisors) Arabs are not a URM, obviously, we are put under the White category. In general though and according to minority status', we are a URM in the US. According to the US Census, we make up merely .42% of the US population (what is that, 13 or 14 million of 330 million?). Here is more stats numbers by the US Census: http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/c2kbr-23.pdf. I'm sure lots of people want to use this to their advantage, but they simply just can't even though Arabs are in fact a minority in the US.

 

[AwesomeTeeth]

On the application (having read responses now and talked to my advisors) Arabs are not a URM, obviously, we are put under the White category. In general though and according to minority status', we are a URM in the US. According to the US Census, we make up merely .42% of the US population (what is that, 13 or 14 million of 330 million?). Here is more stats numbers by the US Census: http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/c2kbr-23.pdf. I'm sure lots of people want to use this to their advantage, but they simply just can't even though Arabs are in fact a minority in the US.

Underrepresented minority does NOT mean a minority in the general population of the United States. It a group of people that have a disparaging ratio of health care professionals to the general population of their group. For example, you don't see as many Hispanic/African American/Native American doctors/dentists as you should for the number of people there are in the US.

 

[Maygyver]

On the application (having read responses now and talked to my advisors) Arabs are not a URM, obviously, we are put under the White category. In general though and according to minority status', we are a URM in the US. According to the US Census, we make up merely .42% of the US population (what is that, 13 or 14 million of 330 million?). Here is more stats numbers by the US Census: http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/c2kbr-23.pdf. I'm sure lots of people want to use this to their advantage, but they simply just can't even though Arabs are in fact a minority in the US.

As awesometeeth said, a URM is not the same thing as a minority. You are a minority in the US population, not a URM.

 

[KMAN97]

Maygyver-Touche'

 

[tehassan]

Underrepresented minority does NOT mean a minority in the general population of the United States. It a group of people that have a disparaging ratio of health care professionals to the general population of their group. For example, you don't see as many Hispanic/African American/Native American doctors/dentists as you should for the number of people there are in the US.

Ha, do you see many Arabs?

 

[Maygyver]

Ha, do you see many Arabs?

You seem to be having a very tough time with this concept. You are not an URM by the standards of AADSAS. That is a fact. Whether you want to accept it or not is up to you.

 

[AwesomeTeeth]

Ha, do you see many Arabs?

I see plenty of Arabs dentists and doctors where I live. I personally know 2 Arab guys and a girl in dental school right now. I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

Just because you don't see many Arab dentists/doctors where you live, doesn't mean its true everywhere. Unless you have some statistics to show from a reputable source, you're just making up "facts" based on your own personal experiences.