No. Egyptian is Northern African Arab. You're not a URM.
If we are counting "under -represented in medicine" according to the US population, shouldn't we use the same definition in the numerator as the denominator?
Ad coms will see through the rouse (they aren't blind) and you may find yourself with interviews but no acceptances. However, marking both would allow you to explain your unique background and how you can contribute to diversity in the class (I am assuming you're backing this up with decent - good stats and that you don't have poor stats and just want a boost).I didn't say I was shocked about how OP identifies himself. I fully understand the difficulties in trying to define your identity. Although I am a black person from the Caribbean, in an American context its always been a struggle for me to decide how to identify myself on these forms. Which is one reason I'm glad they have an Afro-Caribbean option now. Unfortunately for OP there is no box yet that clearly describes his personal identification. I took issue with your comment that AMCAS's definition was vague. Its not. It is a legally and socially accepted term in American society. This is not to say people can't take issue with the term and how its defined, but its not vague. As Lizzy M (and i also mentioned this in an earlier comment) points out it is clearly defined by the government.
They ask for racial self identification. That's what it says on my AMCAS application at least.
Maybe I am not understanding something but it sound like your friend (possibly unknowingly) gamed the system. I honestly can see how a person with Indian parents born in the Caribbean would claim that he is Afro-Caribbean.
There is a difference between having an organization tell you what you are and answering a question on a form for that organization properly. Asking AMCAS what they would expect OP to list on his application is essentially asking them to tell him what option would properly describe him in their terminology.
I am hoping to let you see how this will be perceived. I don't wish you harm. Quite the opposite.
Nobody uses this term anymore. It is inappropriate. Just FYI for future reference.
If this is true then you are the one who screwed up and you should just own it. I doubt it is true that you speak for most black people though. Plenty of black celebrities like Cosby come out strongly against this type of mentality, and my ex(a black girl) was big on knowing about black culture and advocating for improvement and change, and she abhorred that kind of attitude.
Keep it real, African American is just a pc term for black. If you are an Indian and pretend to be black, you'll be laughed at and nobody will have a good impression of you when it comes to admitting you.
They're not "telling you how to be black" they're telling you that it makes them feel uncomfortable and that what you're saying traditionally has been, and unfortunately often still is, deeply rooted in racism. Interestingly I have had this exact same conversation with many of my black friends and they've said the complete opposite of what you've said here, so don't try and act like your attitude on it is the general consensus because it's probably not. Also, if you want to continue using that kind of nasty language that's on you, but don't try and claim a right to the type of racist language that so many of us are actively trying to get out of our society and then try and say that anyone that objects to it has no right to, because as a society we do have that right.
How about instead of using a picture you use your words and tell me why you think I'm wrong. If you think I'm wrong that's fine I'm totally open to what you have to say, but as someone who has immediately felt the effects of racism through people being brutally racist to my dad and brother, and easier on but still racist to me, this does piss me off. If I ever heard anyone using the racist terms, even playing around, that has affected my family and I personally I would say the same thing.
Because this argument is ridiculous. It's laughable at best, and at worst it actually saddens me because I thought a lot of people were more in touch with reality. Sorry, but "you know black friends" or "my girlfriend...." is stupid. I know what I said makes people who aren't black uncomfortable and it should. These topics are always charged with emotion, but honestly; calling me racist just makes you sound stupid.
I'm not saying "I know black friends" I'm telling you exactly what they have told me and what I've heard them tell other black people, so they disagree with you. Look, my dad is a minority and grew up in a racist hell hole in the 60s. He has felt the immediate and vicious effects of racism. Do you think for one second he's going to say those things that he was called when he was young "because it's supposed to make non black (or in this case, non ______) people feel uncomfortable?" Seriously? My brother, who was terrorized for how he looked and our last name on the first day of school by our mainly white and Asian campus, to the point of having to be picked up early and transferred schools, would never in his right mind use the words that they called him. It's absurd. In the end you're entitled to say whatever you want, and as a society we are entitled to give you crap for it.
White people aren't supposed to hear it...I already said that. You can give me crap about it if you want, and I'll think you're an idiot. And honestly, so will every other black person. Sorry that your dad had to go through all that, but as a minority in feel entitled to make fun of myself. I didn't make up the words, why are you mad about is using it now?
Wait a minute, if white people aren't supposed to hear it then why did you say it here? (Not being facetious I genuinely would like clarification)
I said I shouldn't have. I was saying it to another black person who I thought knew I was black, but there was some confusion.
Well then I guess we are fine then? Look like I said I'm not going to give anyone crap for what they say privately, but I do think it's messed up to say it to a general group of people knowing it makes people upset. Do you see what I'm trying to say? YOU can say whatever you want, but if I hear/see it online yes I'm going to say something but I'm not going to actually go interrupt a conversation on the street. Since it's here, though, I do feel like I can say something.
That's not what I meant. I shouldn't have said it here for the sake of black people because *gasp* : other people won't understand and it's just going to be a bad look for us.
"I don't know it's your ****ty kid." "God forbid you have to have a conversation with them".
That's fine. Let it bother you. That's your issue, not mine. I'm not gonna sweep my culture and history under a rug so you don't have to explain racism to your kid.
I know *sigh* this conversation is pretty intense. To be honest with you I'm just blowing time at this point since I have insomnia again. I hope I didn't piss you off too bad, I'm just telling you how I feel. Every time I think of how racist remarks have affected my family it just makes me wish that we could stop with using the words. They were wrong then, so wrong, and I get that you think it's being progressive but if someone ever said the things they said to my family my head would probably explode. Even if it was someone from the same race. It's different perspectives and opinions I guess. We all are entitled to them. Sorry to jump down your throat.
Lol seriously now? Who said I'm not going to explain racism to my kid? Of course I'm going to. What I DONT know how I'm going to explain is if they hear one person using typically racist slang against their friend and then telling them that racist words are okay sometimes because it's the person from that race using them but not everyone does that so you can't assume.
So what are you going to do then? Keep them away from black people? Kids shouldn't hear that stuff, honestly.
Now you're reaching so far there you might fall over. Where did you get THAT from? My sister in law is black so clearly that would never be a possibility (aside from the fact that... What? Where did you even get that from?)
I agree with your last sentence 100% but what about the kid who accidentally overhears their parent etc? I've heard pretty much what we have been talking about coming out of the cutest little kids mouths.
I think you're the one thats reaching. You have to censor what your kids watch and listen to, and who they're around. Like I said, the conversation is exclusive; it's not like black people are running up to little white toddlers saying "whaddup lil *****". Get real. But as your kid gets older they'll hear hip hop and see black comedians. They'll also hear their black classmates use these terms as well. But hopefully they'll understand.
But that's my point!!! I've heard little kids saying these things!
Its handled exactly how you'd handle cursing. You think kids don't hear racist words before they can comprehend their meaning? I'm guessing you don't have any.
I never said that, what I'm saying is that usually when an adult says a bad word usually you can tell the kid that they just have to use that word because they're mad and they don't have the vocabulary to express themselves, and to be better than that. Here it's different. I can't say "yes that person using racist words is inappropriate and making bad decisions, being racist is never okay" because here it is seen as being acceptable because it's not racist but seen as exclusively acceptable to one group of people. It's completely different than swearing.
No you're wrong. Plenty of adults who have an immense vocabulary curse. It just depends on the context and audience. It's exactly the same thing.
I know that lol this is what my favorite radio host tells his kid and that's how I explain "why some adults use bad words" to kids. Set the bar high and let them go from there.
A lot of adults curse as a form of expression. It's the same with the issue I presented here.
