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USC issues, please help!!!!

Discussion in 'Dental' started by DMaCIV, Jun 12, 2008.

  1. DMaCIV

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    So I recently heard that the current dean of USC (Slavkin) has just resigned due to poor performance during the schools recent accreditation evaluation. Along with this I heard the senior class is not being allowed to take the boards because they were not deemed competent enough by the ADA, and now the junior class is filing a suit against the school for not providing them the adequate training necessary to practice. If a current USC dental student could answer and clarify these issues I would greatly appreciate. I will be entering USCSD as a D1 this Aug and am becoming a little worried that I am walking into something bad and will be wasting A LOT of money. Is there hope for this school? Is a swtich back to traditional learning from PBL on the horizon? Any factual answers help, thanks!
     
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    I don't know anything about the issues at hand. It does sound like a bad deal for all parties. Just from what I've seen on here, granted a great deal of that is hear-say and the catharsis of students, it has been a long time coming. I hope things work out for you in your dental school endeavors. Try calling the school, they owe it to you as a student. I don't know that it will get you much inside information, but you do have a right to know the FACTS of the situation. You're not holding on to an acceptance anywhere else are you?
     
  4. A8

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    Call the USC dental and ask your questions. I actually applied to USC for the next cycle (09), but if it was me I was definitely going to call the school and let them know about my concerns. Try to find the contact information of the Student Association of USC Dental. I am sure junior and senior students have more accurate information.
     
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    Where are you getting your info from? These statements are ridiculous!
    I am a current USCSD student, and here are my two cents. By the way, I have not been on this site for a while, and was surprised to see that there still continues to be this negative publicity about this school. Yet, 99% of this info is for the most part laughable at best in terms of accuracy.

    I heard the senior class is not being allowed to take the boards because they were not deemed competent enough by the ADA
    -Of course, they were able to take boards. I don't know anyone who failed the WREB's last month. In fact, the last two years, the pass rate on this exam has been over 90% for USCSD students. Believe me, you will not graduate from this school if you are not "competent". They won't let you. (Even to a fault!) After the rigors of our clinical requirements and competency exams, the WREBS are just another comp exam.

    and now the junior class is filing a suit against the school for not providing them the adequate training necessary to practice.
    -Again, a false and ridiculous statement. Here is an example of a student who recently graduated from this school. They restored 25 teeth with full coverage crowns and/or onlays, restored over 20 implants, completed over 10 RCT's, and placed countless amalgam and composite restorations. Not to mention passing all 16 of the clinical competency exams! The clinical requirements are not higher at any other dental school in the country (at least not one I have heard of), and so how exactly is that "inadequate training".

    Do your research, and you will find out the truth. If you do choose to come here, be ready for the third and fourth years. They are extremely stressful (7:30 am to 6-10 pm 5 days a week), however, you will get a lot of solid clinical experience. By the way, the Dean is leaving, but it is so that he can spend more time with family. He was by no means fired or asked to leave. In fact, the new clinical Dean is taking a very proactive role, and I look forward to seeing the improvements to the school he will make.
     
  6. Columbia07

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    1. I can assure you that everything at USC is fine, if not better now than ever. Replacing the Dean is a good thing. The student body at USC has been fighting for a long time for BIG change to occur and we are finally seeing the results of these efforts. The next few years should be very good.

    2. The WREB passage rate this year was 97%.

    3. The junior class is not filing a lawsuit. Trust me, your training is more than enough, so much so, you may not get out on time; however, a new Dean of Clinical Affairs has been appointed and has promised a 95% grad rate for the class of 2009. The clinic model will also be revamped by the Fall.

    4. This program is already a hybrid. The first two years are like any other institution, you make what you want of them. If you want to learn the material, learn it, if not, then don't.

    5. Relax.

    See you in the Fall.
     
  7. A8

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    DMaCIV, I think the best thing for you is to enjoy summer and get ready for next year. Don't listen to negative things said about USC. I am applying right now for 09 cycle and I will be happy, if I get accepted to any of the califonia schools including USC!
     
  8. DentalHope

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    You always know what to say to make me feel so warm inside. Thanks Columbia07
     
  9. armorshell

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    The only thing that's wrong with USC is the price tag :D
     
  10. BioMaxDDS

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    thanks for the quick responses
    I didn't sleep well the whole night, because I read this thread right before bed last night LOL
     
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    I just graduated from SC and I dont think that their is a better clinical program in the country. Yes it is very stressful and sometimes you think you might break, but that is because requirements are high and comp exams are very difficult. As for WREBS, it wasn't just another comp exam, it was much easier than any comp that I took. In fact I felt like if you can just get a patient qualified then you'll pass. The down side is cost and their is still difficulty with graduating on time. They have basically changed the graduation date to June 13th from May 16th. The number of students signed out by today is about 75%.
     
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    do they charge those who are not done another semester of their astronomically high tuition? Has anyone ever been kept from starting a specialty program on time?
     
  13. DMaCIV

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    Thanks everyone for the responses. I was fairly sure that most of what I heard was rumor and am really glad to be finding out the facts. I heard this information from the dentist who I work for and respect very much. I am already fully committed to going to USC and am very excited for school to begin. Glad I got that all cleared up and Im sorry if I worried anybody!
     
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    USC is in great shape and like others have said the changing of the Dean is only going to make things better around here. The school is great and you would be lucky to come here great things are happening now and in the future.
     
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    Is there a reason everyone who has responded sounds like the dislike Slavkin so much. Was he a really bad Dean, because I've met him and he seemed like an alright fellow.
     
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    I thought Slavkin was a good dean. Not sure how much control the dean dictates over the clinic, but I didn't think 07's poor graduation rates were because of Dean Slavkin. He's a really down to earth approachable guy, which I thought was unique.
     
  17. NE Ohio Penguin

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    Thank God I didn't go to the interview at SC...lol.

    Sorry to hear about the problems at SC guys. Good luck!

    O-H-I-O.
     
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    Have you read the thread?
     
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    I am also glad that I didn't bother to apply to USC.
    Sorry to hear the bad news!
     
  20. A8

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    Please read the treat before making comments!
     
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    I have read it and I don't buy the excuses.
     
  22. Blin

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    My wife and my money go to USC right now.

    I have to say that I did extensive research on different schools, and for us the main factor was being close to home. Because of this site, we probably would have chosen UCLA if she got in there, but looking back, I'm glad she didn't (for her goals).

    I came upon SDN when we were researching schools, and I saw everyone bashing USC. Almost everyone that was bashing it was not from USC except for one or two very vocal members that were upset about graduating on time and the lab conditions. So I was originally worried about the school when we decided that she'd go there.

    Well I can not only say that I am glad she is going to USC, I think I'm impressed enough by what I've seen her go through at USC to probably seek out a USC grad as my GD. As far as clinical dentistry goes, I'm very happy with the curriculum and amount of training she's getting. Her goal is to be an excellent GD, not a researcher or specialist.

    My background-I've been in school my whole life. I joined the military at 18, and I've been lucky enough to have even had the opportunity to get a salary while in school sometimes. I've been to some prestigious schools, and some unknown community colleges, and through various courses of different intensity. When I was in between degrees, I usually took classes part time at night for various reasons. I have a degree in math, Ops Research, Poli Sci, Russian Studies, and have been through USAF pilot training. I'm not bragging (and truthfully I'm not even a great student), but the reason I say this is that I think I can recognize a B.S. curriculum or a curriculum that has false standards. I've been in degree-factory type courses and in very rigorous attrition-based courses. I'd compare her education standards right now to that of USAF pilot training.

    My assessment of USC dental is that it is top-notch. I didnt expect this based on all the bashing I read, but it appears to be a great program. I was very involved in comparing the schools and curriculum.

    A good degree program has a high standard and teaches the students how to achieve that standard. While my wife is constantly tired from class, she is incredibly happy about what she is learning. She comes home almost every day and tells me that she is glad to be in this program, and that she feels like she is getting high-quality training.

    If I lived in SF, would I stil want her to go to USC - no. If she really wanted to be a specialist, would we have wanted UCLA - maybe. But if we had to do it over again with what we know I think she's choose USC again given the choice.

    That being said, I think all dental schools in the U.S. provide a wonderful education respected worldwide. Every organization in the world develops problems, and that's why there is a system in place to fix them. If the administration fails to fix problems, there is a board responsible for hiring a new administration.

    PBL is not any different than the layout of a lot of classes you might have had in undergrad, except they've named it here. The best part about it is that it gets students involved, and is very applicable to a clinical curriculum.

    This is just my opinion, take it for what its worth. I am not an expert in dental schools, but I've been around the block a few times in the postgrad world. I'm not trying to entice arguments, just giving an opinion. I usually try to avoid posting because it seems half of the time someone just comes right back and aggressively blasts you.
     
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    That line is priceless!



    And nice post too. :thumbup:
     
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    Thank You for this I am glad to hear some positive things about USC. It helped me out alot thanks:thumbup:
     
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    I have no idea why USC gets bashed on. I am glad I applied there and was accepted, but turned it down due to the costs of another school, half the price. USC interview was great the students who I talked to loved it, and all say the same thing which is posted on here. If you go to USC and you are motivated you will graduate on time and you will be a great clinician, end of story. The only thing that got me is when I sat down with the financial aid guy who pointed out you will repay almost a million dollars over thirty years if you attend USC. Was it worth it to me, because I had other options, no. Would I have attended USC over say Indiana, Creighton, and some other older midwest schools, YES.

    USC is a great school. I not only interviewed out there I spent a few days attending classes, and touring PBL sessions to see if it was right for me. If it weren't for the cost everything I enjoyed. I just did not want to join the military to attend.
     
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    Cheers first of all for those sticking up for USC. I am currently starting my third year at USC and have loved every second there. From what I have heard and seen from friends at different dental schools, the training is far from average.

    I have to agree that USC is known to produce great clinicians and from day one I saw that here. You are expected to do 100% ideal work on your first try and even though it can get you down, in the end it will be worth it. Don't we owe it to our patients to be as highly trained as possible?

    Now, I'm not going to sit here and say that USC is not without problems...no school is perfect and I am sure that every dental school in this country has its share of problems. It just depends on who you talk to at each school. Our school from what I have learned has passed the accreditation visit with no stipulations. There are some new changes that are currently being perfected and hopefully ready to be implemented when I enter the clinic in a month.

    I know I am not the only happy student at USC, I mean that is one of the biggest reasons I chose to come here (believe me the tuition sucks and was a major bummer). When I came to visit after I got in, all I encountered were happy students who loved what they were doing. Besides, who ever said becoming a dentist would be easy? That is what makes us so awesome!!!:cool:
     
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    Armorshell said it. The price tag is ridiculous. Noone should be expected, or even entertain the prospect, of paying that kind of money for an education with a goal of helping its fellow citizens.

    I would imagine that those who do are of three different choices with a combo of one or two of the three. Usually choice 2 or 3 w/ 1.

    1) Have nowhere else to go
    2) Will join the military
    3) Rich parents

    Yeah, I said it.
     
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  28. DMaCIV

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    Gee, what a productive post. Where in that shred of mindless, opinionated banter do you actually address the original topic?
     
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    This is kinda on topic...

    After the whole graduation debacle for the c/o 2007, do any of the current students know how the grad rate for the c/o 2008 turned out?

    Everyone was saying it was going to be substantially better, and those numbers should be out by now.
     
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    I have seen my fair share of politics within Dental Schools. Dr. Slavkin's problems were not unique. But there is absolutely NO truth to the rumors that inadequate dental education is the result of these internal battles. USC Faculty remain highly regarded and motivated (albeit it can be a tough and very demanding school). Any "inadequacies" noted by an accreditation committee are just that -- audit findings of areas that need improvement. Rest assured that, politics aside, you can look forward to attending a truly great Dental School!
     
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    Word on the street is ~70% were done by the degree conferment date (I believe we had 18% done last year). Better than last year, but still not great.
     
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    You mentioned your trepidation about walking into something bad and wasting A LOT of money.

    I replied with my opinion just as you're doing now with your post. Sorry if I'm not sugar coating it to help ease your reluctance, but apparently you only wanted to hear the good things anyways.

    BTW, it's an internet forum...it's all opinionated banter. Grow up.

    P.S - Must be choice 1.
     
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    Can you explain where you're getting this information? Are you faculty at USC? Know someone on the inside? Or just voicing your opinion as absolute truth like most of your posts?
     

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