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Why would anyone want to go to USC? Doesn't it have the highest tuition of any dental school? And isn't the school trying to reform it's problem based learning curriculum? The bad neighborhood can't help either. Is it possible that USC is the worst dental school out there?
 
Somebody just told me that USC waits until last minute and then
students have to pay over $300,000 to be a dentist
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 
Wow, how nice of you. Now you guys are accepted and start to downgrade other schools already.

USC has a good clinical reputation. Even though they are making some changes in their curriculum, it doesnt mean they cant produce high quality dentists. Yes, it is true that it is risky to spend all those money to be a guinea pig, but on the other side, you are making history that might transform our future dental schools.
 
I'd have no problems going there.

Going to USC is much better than not going to dental school at all.
 
What have USC done for early applicants? Cashed their checks
They do not even have courtsey to let the applicant know the
status. Most schools give 45 days to accept and put in deposit.
What do you conclude from their actions? I still stand by my
opinion...everybody is entitled to their opinion, right?
Again, its just my opinion. I still think $300,000 is just too high.
 
They may have a point though. BTW, this is my thought, not how USC thinks.
Rather than spending time with people who think 300K is too much, they wait until most people got accepted then ask people to interview. That's an efficient way to look for students who really love it there.

I guess each school has their disadvantages and advantages. I cant understand how someone could say a particular school is the worst or the best. I mean, take a look at the thread about LLU. How on earth could someone change their religious belief to get accepted to dental school? That's just sad.
 
Originally posted by ecdoesit
They may have a point though. BTW, this is my thought, not how USC thinks.
Rather than spending time with people who think 300K is too much, they wait until most people got accepted then ask people to interview. That's an efficient way to look for students who really love it there.

I guess each school has their disadvantages and advantages. I cant understand how someone could say a particular school is the worst or the best. I mean, take a look at the thread about LLU. How on earth could someone change their religious belief to get accepted to dental school? That's just sad.

This is a place where people can exchange ideas. I wasn't aware that it's a crime to criticize a school. If you can't criticize a dental school here then where is it appropriate to do so? I put question marks at the end of my sentences to give someone an opportunity to rebuke my statements. It wasn't an opportunity to criticize another member. I guess it's true what they say; some people are far more sensitive than others. 🙄

And it doesn't speak well of a school that feels it has to wait until everyone is accepted before they interview anyone. It's not a good sign that a dental school is afraid of a little competition.
 
Whats the matter larry, let me guess, you're on the waitlist at USC and are desperately trying to spread this garbage about a school to help your chances of gettin in by affecting other people's decisions. Its about that time of the year for you guys to start this stuff, we see it every year around here. One year its SC, next its NYU, another its tufts. Get a life man
 
Just a reminder
Healthy discussions are encouraged. So if you want to keep going just remember to keep it neat and civil.
 
USC actually has the second or third highest tuition rate. I believe NYU is the most expensive. Also, the 300K figure includes living costs AND the interest rate that accumulates starting from freshman year. The actual tuition rate is much lower.

In regards to "reforming the PBL program", I'm not clear as to what you are asking. Yes, the PBL program is still quite new. Although the graduating class of 2005 is the first FULL PBL incorporating class, USC has been refining it since the late 90s. As in all new programs, it is constantly evolving and improving every year. Does it work? IMHO, Yes! Just take a look at how the 2005 class did on their NBDE1.

The neighborhood isn't all that bad. The campus is gorgeous and most of your time is spent there so it really doesn't make a difference. Besides, you really don't want a dental school in an affluent area. Where will you find your patients?

As for the admission process, USC has been interviewing students since November and has already sent out a number of acceptances. Because of their "Rolling Admission", if you are not accepted the first round, you will be re-evaluated again in the next. Since this re-evaluatation cycle keeps continuing until July, it is to your own benefit to apply early to increase the number of times you are "seen" by the admissions staff. I understand that waiting patiently can be quite frustrating. The best advice I can give you is to keep in contact with Eva or Ryan to let them know that you are still interested and eager to attend USC.

Don't let the 300K number that gets thrown around a lot intimidate you. Come and visit USC before you jump to any conclusions. If you have any questions, I'd be more than happy to answer them for you.

Good luck!
 
Originally posted by Jyaki
USC actually has the second or third highest tuition rate. I believe NYU is the most expensive. Also, the 300K figure includes living costs AND the interest rate that accumulates starting from freshman year. The actual tuition rate is much lower.

In regards to "reforming the PBL program", I'm not clear as to what you are asking. Yes, the PBL program is still quite new. Although the graduating class of 2005 is the first FULL PBL incorporating class, USC has been refining it since the late 90s. As in all new programs, it is constantly evolving and improving every year. Does it work? IMHO, Yes! Just take a look at how the 2005 class did on their NBDE1.

The neighborhood isn't all that bad. The campus is gorgeous and most of your time is spent there so it really doesn't make a difference. Besides, you really don't want a dental school in an affluent area. Where will you find your patients?

As for the admission process, USC has been interviewing students since November and has already sent out a number of acceptances. Because of their "Rolling Admission", if you are not accepted the first round, you will be re-evaluated again in the next. Since this re-evaluatation cycle keeps continuing until July, it is to your own benefit to apply early to increase the number of times you are "seen" by the admissions staff. I understand that waiting patiently can be quite frustrating. The best advice I can give you is to keep in contact with Eva or Ryan to let them know that you are still interested and eager to attend USC.

Don't let the 300K number that gets thrown around a lot intimidate you. Come and visit USC before you jump to any conclusions. If you have any questions, I'd be more than happy to answer them for you.

Good luck!

Jyaki

Thank you for the decent and informative response. It looks like some of my preconceived notions were false. It's sad that the others couldn't respond with this much class.

You forgot to mention how they did on the NBDE1. You just said they did well.
 
larrywalkerdds, I'm glad that I could help. I left out the NBDE1 results on purpose since I do not have the exact figures with me. I didn't want to post any false information. I'll get them to you as soon as winter break is over and I am back in L.A. You may be able to find some of the info from doing a search.

Good luck!
 
USC 's performance on the 2003 NDB #1 was very impressive given that it was the first full PBL class that took the boards. Their class average was about 88, about 2 points or more than the national average. I don't know how that would rank but I wouldn't be surprized it it was top 10 or 15. Out of a class of 144, about 40 or more scored more than 90, with 3 people who got 97's and a bunch of of people in 94-96. What was impressive is that they did this with a conflict they had with the preclinical fixed pros instructor who would assign alot of lab work before board time, for the class of 2006, this problem is being addressed by starting the fixed pros class a semester earlier, hence you can look for even higher board scores.
 
I know of some guy in my pre-dental club took a 400,000 dollar lone to attend USC last year. For me, USC and NYU, would both me my last resort dental schools. I am sure the campus is beautiful and one would obtain a great education; I am just not that enthused to pay that much.
 
400,000 dollars? I would like to know how your friend came up with that? Maybe he bought an SL-500 with some of that loan money. You have a point though, it is VERY expensive, specially given that it is a PBL curriculum, but the amount you are giving is simply not correct. I don't want people to obtain the wrong information on these message boards, so let me shed some light on this:

The tution money itself is around 50,000/year ( thats right !!) except your 4th year which is only two semesters --> around 33000 for 4th year. If you add these up you would be around 185,000. with to insruments and the interest on them you are looking at about 225,000 max. Lets say you decided to take out the maximum allowance that they give out in private loans as well to cover living expenses ( which is what I'm doing !!) and it does provide for a pretty comfortable living, you are looking at 290-300,000 max. The school DOES NOT allow you to borrow more than this unless you petition to take more living expenses out due to family/kids. So I don't see how your friend is coming up with 400 G's where the worst case senario is 300,000. Just doesn't make sense to me. Is this alot? of course it is. We look at it as an ivenstment in our future. You don't want to do it, thats cool, more power to you, but lets say you're from CA ( your profile says you are) and you wanna end up working down here after its all said and done, WHAT ARE YOUR ALTERNATIVES IN ORDER TO SAVE YOU MONEY?

lets take a look. your best would be if you get into a UCLA/SF. Both very reputable school, UCLA is in a great location, and even after the recent tuition raise it comes alot cheaper that USC. That is for sure. I think if you take out all the living expenses there, you're looking at maybe around 190-200,000. you would save 100 G's. If you have that option, take it. I know I would. The clinical skills however of an average ucla grad cannot be compared to that of a SC graduate, but that's a different story, we're just talkin money here. but what if you didn't get into of the UC's, what other options do you have in order to save money and not come to SC? UOP, about the same price except that you do it in 3 years so you can add an extra year to your working years, so you can save a little there, but what if you have to pick between USC and going out of state? again we're just talking money here , not quality of education since thats what you're point was.

NYU, Columbia, TUFTS, BU.... and every other east coast school that I can think of (except maryland), the total cost given the same conditions you had living here would run you between 250-325,000. Thats not taking into account the price you have to pay for hollidays, coming back home, and also the frustrations of living in a cold weather. BUT here is what alot of people don't take into consideration and I'm glad someone made it clear for me when I was going through my decision making, the CA boards. Given twice a year, can't work here without it. So you graduate from an east coast school, gotta come back here wait for a CA board exam date to take. You would have to learn alot of things since things are taught differently in ca schools (lots of preps, dentures....are done differently) and then take the test which very subjective and biased towards people who got their degree from CA. On average, alot of people don't pass this their first time around ( i said on average) and have to hang around and around to repeat and all this time you're NOT working, and the interest on those loans is piling up. This is when that 300,000 from SC doesn't sound all that bad. AFter all, they are still considered one of the best clinical schools in the country. I didn't mean to bring down people who go to east coast for their dental education, I have lots of friends that are doing it right now, and they have my outmost respect. But you were just talking about money and justifying going east coast based on one factor only, the COST, which in my opinion is wrong, and in most cases ends up being more costly.


I am a second year at USC and would be more than happy to answer any questions anybody has about the school.
 
Is the 400K included interest that you pay during school years? This is just my guess. 5% for 4 year. And dont forget that interest keeps on charging. The net repayment could reach 400K.
 
ecdoesit, the 300K INCLUDES the accumulating interest charges. Again, the 300K figure is only applicable if you take the MAXIMUM amount in loans allowed. It is possible to graduate with a lot less debt. For instance, USC calculates monthly rent at around $850.00. If you live with a roommate or find a cheaper apartment, you're already saving some money there. Unless your friend is married with ten kids running around or applied for a really bad loan, I don't see how it's possible to end up with this 400K figure 😕
 
I was shocked as well at the 400K. He did not explain much in the figure; but you guys seem to have cleared it up quite well. I am not good friends with him, so I did not dig in too much into his business.
 
If anyone pays 300-400 K for their dental education, that school better be their only choice. I don't care how well people do on the boards. Individuals, not schools determine board scores.
Have fun paying that back!

PA
 
I would go to USC if that's the only CA school accepts me. Spare me the pain of flying patients to CA and take the test with 50% chance of failing, and also not having to take prep class for the board.

There are lots of thing that money is no subject. This is one of those.
 
I still say, go to the cheaper school - if you have a choice. However, I also realize not everyone gets into their state school or has a choice of acceptances, so some people will have to attend a pricey school to graduate as a dentist. That's fine too. That said, if you are going to spend $300,000, USC is a very nice place to spend it. Wow, that is a beautiful dental school, you can tell they have lots of $$$ there. Yeah, the area might not be so hot, but come on, you can't beat the weather in sunny LA.

California boards, hands down, tough. But one thing you can consider if you attend dental school outside of California is to do a 1 year GPR or AEGD in California after graduating from dental school. That'll give you a chance to be in California when taking the board exam, and making some money if you don't pass on your first shot - better than sitting around as a DDS and doing nothing. You'll find patients in your residency too; this is key if you have no connections to help you out. Most of my California classmates have connections waiting for them to come back & take the exam & pass it (a relative or friend is a dentist). Those without connections are doing a residency.
 
can someone tell me how USC informs you about an interview invite?

mail? email? phone call?


thanks!
 
Originally posted by FutrDDS
can someone tell me how USC informs you about an interview invite?

mail? email? phone call?


thanks!

E-mail, followed by regular mail.
 
They are supposed to send out invitation to interview sometime this week, but they haven't...

I've been waiting....
 
Did anyone hear anything from USC this week? The post-interview list just drive a lot of people crazy, doesn't it? Hopfully will hear something from the school. Good Luck to everyone else who is waiting as well!
 
man....... hate this waiting..

so USC will keep interviewing people until June or something, right?

heard USC is about half full so far.... pbl people didn't take the acceptance due to high tuition cost...

anyways... what are they doing !!
 
I saw a post from last year where people announced getting an acceptance by E-mail on March 28. I am waiting for that date, hopefully we will hear by then. Also I believe tomorrow is their last interview from the current batch of invites (Feb 13 - Mar 26). I'll bet another batch has gotten invites or is about to get invites.

I don't know if they are waiting for tomorrow's interview to be completed to have a committee meeting.

I am truly getting antsy about USC, because I see the school as my only inroads to a PBL curriculum and to settle on the west coast. Especially since I doubt UOP will have anything interesting to tell me at this juncture.
 
has anyone heard ANYthing from USC lately? it's Friday already

according to sxr71, today is their interview day

all they told me was "please check your e-mail frequently"

200 times/hr....
 
I was reading the UCLA forum, and I saw one USC acceptance yesterday in there. I don't know what this means, but I am starting to worry.
 
hi! that would be me... i received the acceptance via e-mail, which will be followed by snail mail. i actually wanted to withdraw my application to USC after my acceptance to UCLA-- now please don't get me wrong...i believe USC to be an AWESOME school. I have great respect for it. However, i do not think i will be able to pass muster in a straight PBL environment. i've just got no sense of self-discipline. The reason i did not withdraw was because my mentor dentist, who i am deeply indebted to, attended USC dental and asked me not to withdraw my app. there. But i have decided on UCLA for sure, and have ironed it all out with my mentor. So my USC "seat" will now be available for others much more deserving-- i wish you all the best!!!! :clap:

Sincerely, Sujain 🙂
 
I went on my SC interview on Friday and talked to one of the first years there, who is enjoying the school a lot. He told me that he chose USC over UCLA, because he felt more at home. I was just surprised.
 
Aren't they supposed to send out the invitations for interview for another batch of students? Or have they done that already?
 
Just called USC, next round of acceptances in a couple of weeks.
 
I am talking about "interview invitation" not the final acceptance...

I think USC got bombed by terrorists...

haven't got e-mail response for 3 weeks...
too lazy to call them + long distance =)
 
yeah, I talked one person who is attending usc now. I was told that he chose sc over la because he couldn't bare to sit through class 8 to 5. I think that everyone is different. depends what do you want...
 
i agree, u have to go where u will be comfortable.
even though cost would be a huge consideration.

think about it this way, none of sc's alumni, staff, faculty, and students want pbl to fall, so u know they will give extra attention to students.

and 8-5 schedule aint all classes. it has labs as well, but i agree it is tons of lecturing hrs.
 
Originally posted by tatadds
Just called USC, next round of acceptances in a couple of weeks.

Ive heard that before... 😡
 
Originally posted by mwsung
Aren't they supposed to send out the invitations for interview for another batch of students? Or have they done that already?

When I called they said that they were conducting interviews today.
 
Originally posted by sxr71
When I called they said that they were conducting interviews today.

FYI...they've been having interviews every friday for most of this year. we had interviewees come in 4 weeks in a row during my pbl sessions. and i know they've had them the 2 weeks since.
 
Anyone heard from USC lately?

Eva said this would be an acceptance week. Was that the case for anyone?
 
Nope, I havent received anything yet.
But we still have tomorrow.
And the mail probably wont get to me till Monday or Tuesday anyhow.

Is there anyone going to CDA conference?
 
ecdoesit said:
Nope, I havent received anything yet.
But we still have tomorrow.
And the mail probably wont get to me till Monday or Tuesday anyhow.

Is there anyone going to CDA conference?

I am going tomorrow!! PM me dude
 
Dude, I just did!
Check your pm. I gave u my contact info
CU tom
 
I just heard from USC last week. Got in after I interviewed on Feb 27,2k4. My letters of rec from college and med school came in late. What a hassle. Now I need money and 1500 dollars to deposit. If anyone else heard please contact me if you wanna share housing in the local Los Angeles area. I live in Virginia by the way. Best of luck to everyone else.
 
Hey, vietho26
Are you the doctor who I met after the interview?
Congradulation. So you have decided that PBL is for you, ya?
We could probably hang out some time.
Eric
 
Hey Eric,
Wow, I heard from the other indian interviewee whose name I can't pronounce thus can't find in my pda at all that you are going to UCLA d-school. Congrats. I hear the girls at UCLA are better looking. Well rumor has it that girls in d-school are more attractive than the ones in med school. Amazing how I didn't get ur contact info and we meet here on this forum.

Anyhow, I am ready to make the transition into a less managed care health profession. After 4 years at MCV in VA and seeing the BS that medicine can be esp with malpractice going ridiculous in the field I wanted ...I am hoping California presents less stuffy conservative people and bigots like the deep south of Virginia or post Confederate capitol of Richmond, VA. When I saw the demographics of USC and UCLA's asian population way over the 11 percent I am used to I nearly jumped. I haven't heard yet from UCLA but I think I thrive in PBL better cause four years of traditional learning classes at MCV really turned me off and I do believe I could have ADD. So California here I come.

Oh Eric my email is [email protected]. We can exchange contact numbers when Fall semester approaches or keep it each other posted. Thanks for the reply dude. Hope to see you in LA so I can tan my pale untanned ass. By the way I am heterosexual NOT metrosexual.

Viet
 
Congraduations, vietho26. Great to have you in the class!
Do you know if the class is full?

Since you mention about housing, there is a website of the school having campus and off-campus housing. http://housing.usc.edu/
If you are interested in campus housing, you can submit your application now. The price I found near campus with walking distance is about $1000 - 1100 for one bed room, and it is about $1600-1800 for two bed room. Very expensive! If you don't mind living a bit far from the school, the price could be cheaper, and the environment would be better.
 
When I talked to the USC reps at the CDA last weekend, I was told the class in now 75% full and they have 2 more interview dates.

Also, if anybody is waiting on USC, the amount of spots remaining in the class might increasse after May 1, when they require their next deposit.
 
Hello,
I called Ryan today. he said the last interview date is May 7th and there aren't anyone on waitlist yet!!! If anyone is waiting for interview at USC, DO CALL them . I called today and found out i will be on that last batch of fish.
:luck:
 
The only thing is that fish are not willing to pay 49k tuition for three years and 32k for the last year.

Does anyone know any dental scholarships out there?
 
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