USC vs. LECOM

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Dear SDN,

I just want to hear your opinion between both these schools.

Assuming I am going to take out loans for both school. I live 20 minutes away from USC (so I am not going to include housing/living/food into the equation). My girlfriend (soon to be Fiance) is in California and that is a very important part too.

USC will be around 400-420k (with no interest). According to LECOM's website, it will be 360k (CoA) with no interest.

What do you guys think between these two school. I understand that LECOM is fairly new so there is not that much about it. They are both PBL. It seems that both schools will prepare you well clinically (I am not too sure).

Thank you.
 
Dear SDN,

I just want to hear your opinion between both these schools.

Assuming I am going to take out loans for both school. I live 20 minutes away from USC (so I am not going to include housing/living/food into the equation). My girlfriend (soon to be Fiance) is in California and that is a very important part too.

USC will be around 400-420k (with no interest). According to LECOM's website, it will be 360k (CoA) with no interest.

What do you guys think between these two school. I understand that LECOM is fairly new so there is not that much about it. They are both PBL. It seems that both schools will prepare you well clinically (I am not too sure).

Thank you.

I would normally advise for the cheapest school when it comes to most private schools, but I advise the opposite in your situation. You already have roots in CA with housing, so the cost difference is almost negligible. USC also doesn't close as many doors to specialize. My real decision, however, comes from the fact that I would avoid LECOM if at all possible. LECOM doesn't provide exposure with specialists in dentistry and claims to be Pass/Fail but releases grades if you're applying to residencies since its reputation alone isn't enough to warrant an interview. LECOM also doesn't have a very good location, which I know very well having lived nearby for many years. I normally wouldn't consider location an important factor, but it's worth mentioning when you already have roots in CA. The most important factor in your case from where I stand is that LECOM has a mostly negative reputation among dental school administrators/ professors / students for many reasons. Anecdotal evidence is that one of my professors (OMFS) actually told me how he advises every pre-dent to avoid the school and reapply if it's their only acceptance. He was especially opinionated because one his family members attended the school and needed to transfer dental schools due to the lack of competency from faculty and administration at LECOM. He had to pull some strings to allow that too. Overall, I think that's a rather extreme scenario. LECOMs positives are that it's relatively cheap for a private school and an acceptance is an acceptance, but you can see why I would choose USC considering you have the option.

P.S. PBL is going to be a pain anywhere you go that has it.
 
The general consensus is to attend the cheapest school to which you're accepted, especially when considering lower tier schools. Take your fiance to Florida for a few years. She will thank you later.
 
The general consensus is to attend the cheapest school to which you're accepted, especially when considering lower tier schools. Take your fiance to Florida for a few years. She will thank you later.

When it comes to certain schools like LECOM, I respectfully disagree.
 
LECOM student here. I am tired of people who just heard of bad things about LECOM from SDN that is not confirmed. We do have all the specialist in the clinic and we do get exposed to every aspect of dentistry maybe except ortho. As a third year student, I was able perform alveoloplasty, mandibular tori removal, root canal retreatment, crown lengthening, frenectomy, third molar extractions, and a lot of my classmates restored implants too. It is true that we are new and we have a lot of problems to fix but every dental school have problems. Personally, it doesnt matter which dental school you go to, you will be licensed dentist anyways and you will get good clinical experience. I would just choose where you will be most happy. If I were in your position, I would not spend money to move all the way to FL. But, if you want to try east coast life, LECOM is good choice too.
 
Dear SDN,

I just want to hear your opinion between both these schools.

Assuming I am going to take out loans for both school. I live 20 minutes away from USC (so I am not going to include housing/living/food into the equation). My girlfriend (soon to be Fiance) is in California and that is a very important part too.

USC will be around 400-420k (with no interest). According to LECOM's website, it will be 360k (CoA) with no interest.

What do you guys think between these two school. I understand that LECOM is fairly new so there is not that much about it. They are both PBL. It seems that both schools will prepare you well clinically (I am not too sure).

Thank you.
As a USC graduate,I would say don't go to USC,it's extremely expensive,I have well over half a million Dollars in student loans,and interest accumulates really quickly.The cheapest school is the best in my opinion,don't make the same mistake I did
 
The general consensus is to attend the cheapest school to which you're accepted, especially when considering lower tier schools. Take your fiance to Florida for a few years. She will thank you later.
What is a lower tier school? Is this "ranking" of yours based on random things you've read on the internet?
 
If you have housing and your fiancé in Cali, it's not worth saving 40k at Lecom.


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The general consensus is to attend the cheapest school to which you're accepted, especially when considering lower tier schools. Take your fiance to Florida for a few years. She will thank you later.
Trying to understand how USC is a lower tier school . . . ?? :eyebrow::bullcrap:

Go to USC!

Fight on!
 
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Trying to understand how USC is a lower tier school . . . :eyebrow::shrug::bullcrap:

Go to USC.
The general consensus is to attend the cheapest school to which you're accepted, especially when considering lower tier schools. Take your fiance to Florida for a few years. She will thank you later.

What is a lower tier school? Is this "ranking" of yours based on random things you've read on the internet?

Fight on!
Haha lower tier school. That is a crack up
 
USC sounds enticing, but debt is serious in this age, I'd choose LECOM
 
Let me tell you how I made a decision for my similar situation. I applied to only a handful of schools, got interviews at USC, WesternU, UNLV and was fortunate enough to get accepted to each school. I didn't think anything much of USC before my interview but afterwards I was amazed how it literally encompassed everything I had ever wanted for a dental school. They are extremely focused on preparing amazing clinicians who get involved in the community and help you become well prepared to build networks with patients and your peers within southern california and many parts of the nation. Since I am from SoCal this was huge for me and I know how big of an impact/highly respected USC dental grads are in my state. It is one of the most well-known programs in the country and unfortunately it has some bad rep due to it's higher price tag and some events that happened many years ago. Also, don't be fooled by their PBL curriculum that many people just bash on when most don't know anything about it. They let you actually learn instead of just having you sit in a lecture, and their Boards passing rate is very high (I don't remember the exact number but it was mid 90's) so you should rest assured that if you go there you will actually understand the biomedical/clinical sciences. The PBL curriculum helps you think like an actual clinician instead of just regurgitating information without understanding how to properly apply it on unique patients with unique circumstances. The school is magnificent and if you are a proactive learner and can work well with a PBL curriculum (which will also give you hours of free time compared to standard lecture-based curriculum so that you can practice studying for exams, sim lab, Boards, etc.) then this school is a no-brainer. Personally I don't know much about LECOM and I have heard some good things about it, so that is for you to research. All I know is after mentioning everything I said about USC and the fact that I will be able to stay in my favorite city, I knew where I belonged.
 
Also, don't be fooled by their PBL curriculum that many people just bash on when most don't know anything about it. They let you actually learn instead of just having you sit in a lecture, and their Boards passing rate is very high (I don't remember the exact number but it was mid 90's)

Agreed. The exact pass rate for the class of 2018 part 1 of boards is 99%.
 
Agreed. The exact pass rate for the class of 2018 part 1 of boards is 99%.
So basically you get to attend a school which is very well-known for producing incredible clinicians.. AND you obviously learn everything you need didactically due to the exceptionally high NBDE 1 pass rate.
 
I would normally advise for the cheapest school when it comes to most private schools, but I advise the opposite in your situation. You already have roots in CA with housing, so the cost difference is almost negligible. USC also doesn't close as many doors to specialize. My real decision, however, comes from the fact that I would avoid LECOM if at all possible. LECOM doesn't provide exposure with specialists in dentistry and claims to be Pass/Fail but releases grades if you're applying to residencies since its reputation alone isn't enough to warrant an interview. LECOM also doesn't have a very good location, which I know very well having lived nearby for many years. I normally wouldn't consider location an important factor, but it's worth mentioning when you already have roots in CA. The most important factor in your case from where I stand is that LECOM has a mostly negative reputation among dental school administrators/ professors / students for many reasons. Anecdotal evidence is that one of my professors (OMFS) actually told me how he advises every pre-dent to avoid the school and reapply if it's their only acceptance. He was especially opinionated because one his family members attended the school and needed to transfer dental schools due to the lack of competency from faculty and administration at LECOM. He had to pull some strings to allow that too. Overall, I think that's a rather extreme scenario. LECOMs positives are that it's relatively cheap for a private school and an acceptance is an acceptance, but you can see why I would choose USC considering you have the option.

P.S. PBL is going to be a pain anywhere you go that has it.

Another LECOM student here.

"LECOM doesn't provide exposure to specialists." It does. They work in our clinics every day. See power5643's post above. Our second graduating class will be graduating in two months, and they have a lot of students going into specialties. Same with our first graduating class.

"LECOM doesn't have a very good location." As far as the patient pool goes, the school only needs enough patients for the D3 class since the D4 students relocate to either north Florida or northwestern Pennsylvania. LECOM is located in the Bradenton/Sarasota area (over 100,000 people - with many below the poverty line and in need of affordable dental care). Some patients even drive in from Tampa, St. Petersburg, and Venice. Our D3's schedules are booked out a few weeks in advance. The only time they don't have patients is if a patient cancels last minute. If you're talking about location in a general sense, I'd have to disagree there as well. There's tons to do here and some of the best beaches in the US. To each their own, I guess.

"LECOM has a mostly negative reputation among dental school administrators/ professors / students for many reasons." I'd love to see that poll. It's easy to pick on a new school that doesn't have thousands of alumni to defend it. However, it seems like the only ones complaining about it are people on SDN who don't even attend LECOM. The dentists who work here and the students who attend here actually really like LECOM. It's a positive environment that provides rigorous training. Does it have its issues? Yeah. But in the time I've been here, I've seen the administration continually making changes to improve the school.

"Anecdotal evidence is that one of my professors (OMFS) actually told me how he advises every pre-dent to avoid the school and reapply if it's their only acceptance." Good luck getting into a single school next year. I doubt any school would touch you after turning down your only acceptance because you thought you were too special.

"He was especially opinionated because one his family members attended the school and needed to transfer dental schools due to the lack of competency from faculty and administration at LECOM. He had to pull some strings to allow that too." So... some brand new student didn't like the school so he had his rich uncle pull some strings? That seems a little silly.

To the OP, choose whatever school you want to go to. Just know that most of the crap flung at LECOM is bogus. USC is a great school, and so is LECOM in my opinion. My fellow classmates and I have really enjoyed it so far. You won't go wrong choosing either one.

*Side note, our current D4 class just took the live patient board exam with a 98% pass rate!
 
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