USC vs NYU

[xylashellx]

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my brother went to nyu and i interviewed at both school. i picked usc because i think it is a better location and housing is a little cheaper. the facilities are better at usc from my point of view. my brother said it was hard to get patients at nyu also. and he said that at nyu you are just a number pretty much because there are so many students. also, there is the networking situation that usc has...you cant deny that. with all that ive heard from my brother and what ive seen id pick sc.

 

[EyeAmCommi]

what the hell are you talking about? uhh... we get our own lab seats, I think you're mistaken the fact that they split the class into 2 sections. This "wait your turn at the bench" thing is just *****ic

Well, it's not my fault that that was how it was presented to me during the tour.

 

[Mysteree]

Again, thanks for all the feedback, it is really helpful. Keep it coming.

 

[iviikoivi]

you guys should keep in mind though, dentalstu could just be one of those "waitlisted but need just a few more guys to drop off the USC-accepted-list".
no offense to him or anything, i just thought it was sketchy that his only 3 posts were some crazy negative things he said about his school. like he's so hardcore against the guy going to USC.

I think he's telling the truth.



LOL I just asked my friend that goes there if this is truly happening and he says it really is.

 

[Mysteree]

Go to whichever school is easier on the $$$.

In the end, you're a dentist either way.

If the $$ is the same, I'd personally go to USC because it's closer to family and weather is nicer.

Yeah saving every $ is important..I'll be in 1000s of dollars in debt 😱

 

[Mysteree]

Those of you currently attending USC, can you tell me a bit more about the curriculum, like which classes you have lectures for..and other than the fact that PBL requires self motivation..is it difficult to make heads/tails of the stuff on your own? Do you feel that you get enough basic information?

 

[iviikoivi]

Yeah saving every $ is important..I'll be in 1000s of dollars in debt 😱

taht's it? I'm already at the tens of thousands of dollars in debt ahah

 

[Mysteree]

taht's it? I'm already at the tens of thousands of dollars in debt ahah

You're funny! 🙂 you're going to USC right?

 

[Mysteree]

OP = original poster = YOU 😎

Thanks, I'm so glad i finally know what that means Wheew! 😳

 

[iviikoivi]

You're funny! 🙂 you're going to USC right?

I don't know yet... I'm still waiting to hear from them. I've also already started revising my personal statement for this upcoming cycle.
I really don't know if I should wait it out or submit my aadsas and drop a grand on it .

The thing is though, even if I do get accepted I'm still a LOR short and I would need to BEG a professor to have that submitted by June 15th... AHH problems =(

 

[Mysteree]

I don't know yet... I'm still waiting to hear from them. I've also already started revising my personal statement for this upcoming cycle.
I really don't know if I should wait it out or submit my aadsas and drop a grand on it .

The thing is though, even if I do get accepted I'm still a LOR short and I would need to BEG a professor to have that submitted by June 15th... AHH problems =(

Mind my asking what your stats are like?? If you don't hear from them by may, I might consider submitting the aadsas, and give yourself a leg up, if it should come to that. That is you can drop a grand 🙂

Dude, I'd beg a prof for an LOR, it's worth not having to go thru this cycle again. In fact, one school asked for an LOR from a chem prof at the time of the interview. I had to come back and beg for one, and got lucky. So my advice, forget your pride, and BEG!

 

[iviikoivi]

Mind my asking what your stats are like?? If you don't hear from them by may, I might consider submitting the aadsas, and give yourself a leg up, if it should come to that. That is you can drop a grand 🙂

Dude, I'd beg a prof for an LOR, it's worth not having to go thru this cycle again. In fact, one school asked for an LOR from a chem prof at the time of the interview. I had to come back and beg for one, and got lucky. So my advice, forget your pride, and BEG!

I know, I might beg to be honest... But I need an acceptance first

my stats: 3.4/3.4, 20/20/23

 

[ShawnOne]

From what i've seen in my 2 years here, there is no shortage of patients, but you are responsible to manage them. You must call them, schedule them, and manage their care. For example, you need to call your patient and tell them they need to come in, the day before the appointment you need to call and make sure they remember, 3 months later you need to call and remind them to come in for their perio re-eval etc. Neither the school or the patient will do it for you. Also, you must be sociable. Your patients must like you, trust you, and respect you. If you dont know what you are doing and your instuctors and constantly dogging you what do you think will happen? I see so many people dicking around. "Oh my patient didnt show up, im going home" I wonder why...

You gotta hussle or you'll be left behind and blame everybody but yourself.

Just my opinions...

 

[Mysteree]

I know, I might beg to be honest... But I need an acceptance first

my stats: 3.4/3.4, 20/20/23

Well, you wouldn't need the LOR if you got an acceptance, would you? I'm confused 😕

Your stats are pretty good!

 

[Mysteree]

I see your point, but won't we be less than great in the beginning? So our instructors would undoubtedly "dog us" infront of the patient, there's no getting around it, or is there?

From what i've seen in my 2 years here, there is no shortage of patients, but you are responsible to manage them. You must call them, schedule them, and manage their care. For example, you need to call your patient and tell them they need to come in, the day before the appointment you need to call and make sure they remember, 3 months later you need to call and remind them to come in for their perio re-eval etc. Neither the school or the patient will do it for you. Also, you must be sociable. Your patients must like you, trust you, and respect you. If you dont know what you are doing and your instuctors and constantly dogging you what do you think will happen? I see so many people dicking around. "Oh my patient didnt show up, im going home" I wonder why...

You gotta hussle or you'll be left behind and blame everybody but yourself.

Just my opinions...

 

[iviikoivi]

Well, you wouldn't need the LOR if you got an acceptance, would you? I'm confused 😕

Your stats are pretty good!

Yeah me too, I'll drop them an e-mail tomorrow and see what's up..hopefully I'll come out of this whole ordeal with my sanity intact.

You are very right, I don't know about going through this entire process again!

goodnitey 😀

 

[ShawnOne]

I see your point, but won't we be less than great in the beginning? So our instructors would undoubtedly "dog us" infront of the patient, there's no getting around it, or is there?

true to some extent, but when the instructor tells you to add some retentive grooves and you put them on the wrong walls and in the wrong direction, its not excusable. I've personally seen this happen with a senior.

its time to sleep...

 

[jokerjoe12]

I'm really confused at this discussion you guys are having over patients. This is not a fault of the school but is a problem with the students and patients. keep in mind that USC is in downtown, where almost all patients are that of low income and some or no education, So punctuality and responsiblity will have to be that of the students. You don't see this more in Loma Linda, UCLA, UOP or UCSF since they are in a community of higher class. However, USC students see patients with severe and "unusual" cases and therefore get exposed to more difficult treatments and thus become better clinicians. Now USC as a school is responsible for a good science curriculum and good dentists as professors to teach you the skills. So maybe I'm misunderstanding the discussion about how a student-patient relationship is the schools fault and maybe someone like shawnone can explain it to me.

 

[Mysteree]

Good point Jokerjoe12, I'd like to know the answer to that myself.

I'm really confused at this discussion you guys are having over patients. This is not a fault of the school but is a problem with the students and patients. keep in mind that USC is in downtown, where almost all patients are that of low income and some or no education, So punctuality and responsiblity will have to be that of the students. You don't see this more in Loma Linda, UCLA, UOP or UCSF since they are in a community of higher class. However, USC students see patients with severe and "unusual" cases and therefore get exposed to more difficult treatments and thus become better clinicians. Now USC as a school is responsible for a good science curriculum and good dentists as professors to teach you the skills. So maybe I'm misunderstanding the discussion about how a student-patient relationship is the schools fault and maybe someone like shawnone can explain it to me.

 

[ShawnOne]

What are you confused about? what i'm saying is you have all the opportunity, there are plenty of patients, but you must manage your time and patients wisely and make it happen.

 

[ursinus00]

USC over NYU anyday. location, rep, not to mention superb peer-to-peer network. you'll benefit so much more as usc graduate after school compared to nyu, assuming you are staying in california to practice.

both schools are expensive as hell, nyu is pretty much considered a slum, soo....i dont see much of a choice here. believe me, i hate usc, with all my heart and soul, but dont throw away your life by going to nyu

good luck, whichever school you go to, you'll end up doing what you love!

Who are you to judge whether NYU is a good or bad school? slum? Have you even attended that school? I don't think you can judge a school simply by reading people's comment and statisitical data.

 

[Mysteree]

Who are you to judge whether NYU is a good or bad school? slum? Have you even attended that school? I don't think you can judge a school simply by reading people's comment and statisitical data.

Ursinus, don't go after polarnut, he enjoys goading people just a bit 🙂 don't you polarnut! 😉

 

[IndDent]

Mysteree oh Mysteree...just admit you couldn't handle yourself around me at NYU...choosing the easy way out...re: USC

Where ever you do end up, make the best of it. It sounds like USC will be the right choice in the end. Don't take anyone's word for it though, just listen to your self. You'll come to a decision soon enough, we have a funny way of coming to terms with such big decisions, all you need is time. When do you have to let them know by?

Indy

 

[Mysteree]

Ah Indy, you know me so well. I could say so much more, but I'll refrain from saying so 😉

Thanks for your support. I have until this coming Monday. Not much time left.

Mysteree oh Mysteree...just admit you couldn't handle yourself around me at NYU...choosing the easy way out...re: USC

Where ever you do end up, make the best of it. It sounds like USC will be the right choice in the end. Don't take anyone's word for it though, just listen to your self. You'll come to a decision soon enough, we have a funny way of coming to terms with such big decisions, all you need is time. When do you have to let them know by?

Indy

 

[kat302]

there's no "one is better than the other." they're just different.. i attended usc for some pre-dental program for two weeks last summer (btw.. a good way to get to know the director of admissions and the crew).. got lots of feedback from students and being there

usc: for you if you're an extremely motivated individual and you want to stay in cali. PBL is great that you're forced to do some of your own researching and by that you'll learn the stuff. down side, if your peers don't do the researching you get screwed. i found that some students thought it was a bit tough sometimes cause there aren't any teachers per se.. just "facilitators" to make sure you're going in the right directions. there's 144 students but you're split up into groups of 8 to work with. the only reason i'd go to usc is cause it's in cali.. and they train you to take the cali state boards. if you're in ny, they train you for north eastern boards. the school is clean and decent.. but step 2 blocks from campus and it's crusty.

nyu: for you if you like traditional lectures and etc. as a future nyu student.. i checked out the school this past weekend. the renovated part is sweet!! everything's brand new.. and they're still renovating more until it's done. but by the time class of 2010 starts clinic.. you'll be working in nice new stuff 🙂 downfall.. yea it's gonna be about 260 students.. and there is no sharing lab benches.. lab time's split into day and evening lab. from graduated students.. i figure that the drop out rate is a bit higher is because there's more students.. and the fact that they might accept some people are just aren't cut out for dental school. but you gotta try pretty hard to flunk.. unless you're just that ******ed.

they're both in great cities.. but i went to undergrad in la.. and i'm done with it.. time for the next big city cost-wise.. they're both gonna cost an arm and a leg.. and some teeth to get through.. i got approved for 80k in loans.. but to hell with it.. i got my whole life to pay off loans and a dentist is a dentist whereever you graduate. i don't know why people rag on usc and nyu so much when there's school like howard who accept people with 17 average on their dats and 2.5 gpas.. geez..

 

[Mysteree]

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[uklover08]

id choose NYU over USC bc ull never get a chance to live in NYC in ur life again, i unfortunately got rejected at NYU but still waiting on USC so i have no choice i went to USC for undergrad. the area sux and la sux for getting around but NYC u have a great metro system and i hear its an amazing night life, u might get only get one chance to live in a city like new york so take advantage of it if thats what u want.

good luck mysteree

 

[mellowt]

I interviewed at USC and NYU. I must say both facilities are very modern and I can't complain about either sim labs... especially after seeing UCSF (although UCSF was my top choice 😀 ). As for the staff, NYU was very friendly and talkative. They were very sociable and seem genuine to me. As for USC, when asked about the down sides of PBL, the dentist/professor who I shall not name bc I forgot his name became irritated. Honestly, the people at USC seemed very nice but it seemed ingenuine to me and they simply loved USC with a passion which means they might not like criticism of their school. WHile at NYU the students were critical of their school and voiced their opinions... so did the staff. Now as for rent and the area around LA and NY... LA is a lot cheaper for rent while NY in Manhattan is expensive as hell and I've lived in La Jolla but rent here does not come close to NY for square footage and amenities. However, I love NY and the atmosphere of the city. So much to do and see but again... very expensive. SO being a Californian all my life, NY will be a big change but also an exciting and fun experience. I got accepted to NYU and am waiting for USC... however I think I will choose NYU because its a once in a life time experience for me personally and I hate LA and it's horrendous traffic! Goodluck with your decision... either way you'll be persuing a great career and be able affect many people in the present and future.

 

[Mysteree]

Thank you all for your input, it's been quite helpful. I think I'll be going to USC 🙂 These decisions are just not easy. You guys are right living in NYC is a once in a life time experience, one I probably would've jumped at had I been starting dental school right after college. However, the thought of being in greater debt (because the cost of living in NY is quite high) is just not an option for me. So I'll stay in LA, and have a teeny bit less debt, I hope. Good luck to all of you, I look forward to seeing some of you at USC this fall! Thanks again for taking the time to help me out with this decision.

 

[Regina330]

true to some extent, but when the instructor tells you to add some retentive grooves and you put them on the wrong walls and in the wrong direction, its not excusable. I've personally seen this happen with a senior.

its time to sleep...

Shawnone is a SOPHOMORE who has never SEEN or TREATED a patient at USC....(with the exception of that ONE perio patient you've been seeing all year long to scale ONE QUAD!) THAT is not excusable!!!!!!