USC vs. Rutgers

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Hi guys,
I have been debating for the decision between two schools since early December and am still hesitating to choose one over the other. It would be very appreciated if you could give me sincere advice on that.

First, little about my background. Im a married Nor-Cal resident and have a 6 month old daughter. We plan to have the second one who would be 2 year younger than the first one. My parents-in-law also live here in Nor-Cal. It was the very fist time for me to experience the east coast area when I went to interview at Rutgers. On the other hand, my wife has never been there yet. I really loved the both after the interviews and will apply for 3 year scholarship hpsp program (no citizenship yet) wherever I would go. Here are MY pros and cons for each school.

USC
Pros: closer to Nor-Cal so that my parents-in-law can see my daughter sometimes (6-hour long drive but still possible), familiar with the surrounding in LA and thus my wife can adapt the new environment pretty easily, we have relatives living in LA, looser curriculum than Rutgers so I could spend some time with my family and especially after we get the second one in the future, maybe more beneficial if I practice here in CA ("everyone" recognizes the school name)

Cons: HUGE debt after graduation (approx. 150K difference with Rutgers or maybe more), challenging to decide where to live (near USC; Korean town is not perfect for my little daughter and quite expensive if the area is safe vs. away from USC; long time drive & 24 hour traffic), bigger class size (which might cause more competition and require survivorship on my own?), they said they would NOT expand the amount of living cost loan due to family members (leading to private loan maybe?)

Rutgers
Pros: relatively reasonable debt (they even guarantee the residency leading to adjustment of tuition rate), they said they WILL expand the amount of living cost loan due to family members, more family-like atmosphere, smaller class size (more cooperation maybe?)

Cons: barely possible for my parents-in-law to see my daughter, no experience in the east coast so that my wife & daughter might have some difficulties while getting used to the new environment and while I am busy with my school (will feel sorry), worried about cold weather & snowing in winter for my family members, more intense curriculum so I wouldnt have free time for my family esp. during 1st & 2nd years, relatively more challenging to go back to the west coast to practice (not many people here easily recognize the school name even after passing the West Regional board exam)

Overall, the amount of cost is the major reason if I would choose the Rutgers. If there would be a guarantee that I would get in the hpsp program, I would choose USC bc my family is important. The thing is there is no guarantee (actually pretty competitive to get in right?). What would you choose if you were in my shoes? Why?

Any advice will be very appreciated and thanks in advance.
 
Can you pay the deposit at both, and then see whether you get the HPSP? That might work best.
 
It wont work for me. Bc I dont have US citizenship yet (might get it next summer) I cant apply for 4 year scholarship program yet and thus there will not be any decisions about hpsp before the schools start. Thanks for your reply though.
 
Just wondering, where are you planning to live if you go to rutgers?
 
I would definitely go for USC over Rutgers. As long as you believe you can successfully graduate and find a job, the debt shouldn't be too much of an issue. Family >>>>>> extra debt (in most cases)

Also, like you said, the Rutger's curriculum is more intensive, and I'd want to take the school that would give me as much time with my daughter as possible.
 
Rutgers. 5 hour flight basically the same as a 6 hour drive. Rutgers saves you a bunch of $ long-term, there is a huge Korean population in the tri-state area, and while winter sucks, snow is not a huge issue in the tri-state area. From what I've read, mostly through SDN (take it with a grain of salt), seems that Rutgers > USC
 
Hi... D1 @ Rutgers here. I moved up from sunny South Florida... winter & snow is not bad at all. What is great about Rutgers is that a great number of us are non-traditional students. Students with families, older students, students coming from very different careers, etc. I could honestly say that we are all a family. Yes, the curriculum is EXTREMELY tough, but we all get through it with each other's support. Fortunately, there's no competition, no gunners, no cut-throat students here.

We all work together to create study guides, we have exam archives and administration carefully monitors your grades so that they can assign you a mentor and provide FREE tutoring, if needed. Not only are we family as a class, but as a school as well. One of the D2's took time away from studying for his own finals and boards to help some of us study for our physiology final. I can't emphasize enough how much we have supported each other through this first semester.

I don't know anything about USC so I can't help you there... best of luck on your decision!
 
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Just wondering, where are you planning to live if you go to rutgers?
I dont know yet but my friend, a dentist, suggested Springfield which is about 20 min away from the school but has pretty good living condition for family.

I would definitely go for USC over Rutgers. As long as you believe you can successfully graduate and find a job, the debt shouldn't be too much of an issue. Family >>>>>> extra debt (in most cases)

Also, like you said, the Rutger's curriculum is more intensive, and I'd want to take the school that would give me as much time with my daughter as possible.
You seem to be in the same boat 🙂

Rutgers. 5 hour flight basically the same as a 6 hour drive. Rutgers saves you a bunch of $ long-term, there is a huge Korean population in the tri-state area, and while winter sucks, snow is not a huge issue in the tri-state area. From what I've read, mostly through SDN (take it with a grain of salt), seems that Rutgers > USC
It is a pretty attractive perspective and thanks for your opinion! Do you know by any chance in terms of what factors Rutgers > USC???

Hi... D1 @ Rutgers here. I moved up from sunny South Florida... winter & snow is not bad at all. What is great about Rutgers is that a great number of us are non-traditional students. Students with families, older students, students coming from very different careers, etc. I could honestly say that we are all a family. Yes, the curriculum is EXTREMELY tough, but we all get through it with each other's support. Fortunately, there's no competition, no gunners, no cut-throat students here.

No one has had to buy textbooks because PDF versions have been handed down from upperclassmen. We all work together to create study guides, we have exam archives and administration carefully monitors your grades so that they can assign you a mentor and provide FREE tutoring, if needed. Not only are we family as a class, but as a school as well. One of the D2's took time away from studying for his own finals and boards to help some of us study for our physiology final. I can't emphasize enough how much we have supported each other through this first semester.

I don't know anything about USC so I can't help you there... best of luck on your decision!
Thanks R3DEUCE!! That's is what I exactly saw and felt during the interview @ Rutgers. Everyone was friendly and the entire dental school looked like one family. Actually that is the #1 reason why I can't easily choose USC over Rutgers....! Thanks again 🙂
 
I asked you because just wanted you to know there is a korean town, which is also 15-20 mins away from newark
 
I'm currently a graduate student at Rutgers Graduate School of Biomed Sciences (so I've taken some dental courses). And while I can't comment on the difficulty of the program as a whole (unless its Oral Microbio or Immuno), I can comment on the area. Considering you have a family, I'd advise you NOT to live in Newark. I currently live in the student housing provided which is very safe but as far as being able to have your children play outside or whatnot, Newark really doesn't allow for that (at least where the school is located). There are other housing areas around (Society Hill) but again, your kids really can't play outside. Rather, I'm slightly paranoid and wouldn't let mine lol. So if you pick Rutgers, make sure to look for a safe neighborhood and make the drive to school everyday! Oh, as for the weather- I'm also from FL and used to my sunshine. And minus the Hurricane Sandy last year (which was scary, no lie), nothing has been terrible. The tri-state area knows how to handle its snow so usually that isn't a problem. Good luck with your decision!
 
I'm currently a graduate student at Rutgers Graduate School of Biomed Sciences (so I've taken some dental courses). And while I can't comment on the difficulty of the program as a whole (unless its Oral Microbio or Immuno), I can comment on the area. Considering you have a family, I'd advise you NOT to live in Newark. I currently live in the student housing provided which is very safe but as far as being able to have your children play outside or whatnot, Newark really doesn't allow for that (at least where the school is located). There are other housing areas around (Society Hill) but again, your kids really can't play outside. Rather, I'm slightly paranoid and wouldn't let mine lol. So if you pick Rutgers, make sure to look for a safe neighborhood and make the drive to school everyday! Oh, as for the weather- I'm also from FL and used to my sunshine. And minus the Hurricane Sandy last year (which was scary, no lie), nothing has been terrible. The tri-state area knows how to handle its snow so usually that isn't a problem. Good luck with your decision!

Yea, Newark is definitely not a place to live unless you live in East Newark or the Ironbound district. I was born in NJ and spent my childhood up here. There are PLENTY of great neighborhoods nearby, so don't scare easily. Newark just happens to be a downtown area and just as it is in most major cities, it's NOT great to live in.

Some suggestions: Harrison, Kearny, North Arlington, Nutley, Bloomfield north of Bloomfield Avenue - these are the immediate areas surrounding Newark. Everywhere else will be at least a 20-30 minute drive ++
 
Difficulty in the curriculum lies mostly in amount of classes you take at a time.

First semester consisted of:
  • Histology
  • Physiology
  • Microbiology
  • Dental Anatomy didactic + lab
  • Occlusion didactic + lab
  • Epidemiology
  • Perio & Preventive Dentistry
  • Intro to the Profession
 
Yea, Newark is definitely not a place to live unless you live in East Newark or the Ironbound district. I was born in NJ and spent my childhood up here. There are PLENTY of great neighborhoods nearby, so don't scare easily. Newark just happens to be a downtown area and just as it is in most major cities, it's NOT great to live in.

Some suggestions: Harrison, Kearny, North Arlington, Nutley, Bloomfield north of Bloomfield Avenue - these are the immediate areas surrounding Newark. Everywhere else will be at least a 20-30 minute drive ++

Do you live on campus? if so how soon should I start calling the housing people.? I heard it is hard to get a spot there especially if it is a one bedroom apartment.

thanks.
 
Do you live on campus? if so how soon should I start calling the housing people.? I heard it is hard to get a spot there especially if it is a one bedroom apartment.

thanks.

I live in East Newark, which is an area within the town of Harrison. It is a newly constructed apartment complex and there are a few going up nearby. Check out Parkway Lofts in Bloomfield. I personally don't like the dorms at school. It also depends on your style... being from Miami makes me a real estate snob (lol) so I have to live somewhere chic and modern.
 
I asked you because just wanted you to know there is a korean town, which is also 15-20 mins away from newark
Thanks for your info! I heard there are also lots of great Korean restaurants in NJ 🙂

I'm currently a graduate student at Rutgers Graduate School of Biomed Sciences (so I've taken some dental courses). And while I can't comment on the difficulty of the program as a whole (unless its Oral Microbio or Immuno), I can comment on the area. Considering you have a family, I'd advise you NOT to live in Newark. I currently live in the student housing provided which is very safe but as far as being able to have your children play outside or whatnot, Newark really doesn't allow for that (at least where the school is located). There are other housing areas around (Society Hill) but again, your kids really can't play outside. Rather, I'm slightly paranoid and wouldn't let mine lol. So if you pick Rutgers, make sure to look for a safe neighborhood and make the drive to school everyday! Oh, as for the weather- I'm also from FL and used to my sunshine. And minus the Hurricane Sandy last year (which was scary, no lie), nothing has been terrible. The tri-state area knows how to handle its snow so usually that isn't a problem. Good luck with your decision!
Thanks for useful info. Now Im worried about neither NJ weather nor where to live any more haha

Difficulty in the curriculum lies mostly in amount of classes you take at a time.

First semester consisted of:
  • Histology
  • Physiology
  • Microbiology
  • Dental Anatomy didactic + lab
  • Occlusion didactic + lab
  • Epidemiology
  • Perio & Preventive Dentistry
  • Intro to the Profession
It should definitely be intense but they are all interesting classes!
 
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