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btw i'm not planning on attending either one of them i'm just really curious what sdners think
mikeyboy said:Ask Jalby if you want a nice, unbiased answer.
Hey, I do back everything up with facts. For example, facts:mikeyboy said:Ask Jalby if you want a nice, unbiased answer.
Jalby said:UCSD
Match List: way to many FP and Psych
supersunny said:it IS a state school...:
Jalby said:Ahhh. That explains it. So if a student goes to a state school then they should lower thier own expectations. My bad. But you are right. UCSF has more FP and Psych matches. Of course, it also has a lot bigger class.
I'd say just go on the interviews to the two schools and you'll see the biggest difference.
Ohh, I looked up info on what schools had how many Psych and FP.
UCSD- 98 matches, 13 psych, 6 FP: 18%
UCLA- 160 matches, 6 psych, 18 FP: 15%
UCSF- 160 matches, 17 psych, 6 FP: 14%
USC- 185 matches, 13 psych, 10 FP: 12.4
I'm actually quite surprised by the numbers. Wasn't expecting UCLA and UCSF to have as many and definately wasn't expecting USC to win. USC has so many students b/c we accidently over booked that year.
http://uscnews.usc.edu/hscweekly/detail.php?recordnum=10024
supersunny said:i think the debt incurred at usc would deter some folks from going into fp/psych.
Jalby said:Ohh, I looked up info on what schools had how many Psych and FP.
UCSD- 98 matches, 13 psych, 6 FP: 18%
UCLA- 160 matches, 6 psych, 18 FP: 15%
UCSF- 160 matches, 17 psych, 6 FP: 14%
USC- 185 matches, 13 psych, 10 FP: 12.4
I'm actually quite surprised by the numbers. Wasn't expecting UCLA and UCSF to have as many and definately wasn't expecting USC to win. USC has so many students b/c we accidently over booked that year.
http://uscnews.usc.edu/hscweekly/detail.php?recordnum=10024
exmike said:I dont see how %FP match has anything to do with the quality of the school. 😕
Jalby said:Hey, I do back everything up with facts. For example, facts:
UCSD
28-32 hours of lecture (+4 hours manditory elective)
Honors/Pass/Fail
Curriculum: traditional
Thesis (one of seven schools)
Rankings: 20-20-16-19 (rough estimates)
Boards: 225 (with a class MCAT and GPA of 33.1 and GPA of 3.73) (But they do have everyone pass the boards)
Time to study for boards: Step 1, ~3 weeks. Step 2, 2 weeks and must take at start of fourth year so res directors would see your boards regardless.
Patients: Mostly private
Match List: way to many FP and Psych
Alright, I think that's my listing of facts.
Pediatron47 said:Now do I like it here? No. Weather is great, chicks are hot, but the school is rough.
exmike said:true, jalby, but inevitably USC's tuition will rise also, but probably not at a 10% clip.
samurai_lincoln said:"To win"?! I would chalk it up as simply a poor choice of words, but you have already mentioned that you believe UCSD already has "way to (sic) many psych and FP matches." And then you top it off by calling psych a residency of "last resort." God forbid someone should actually select their specialty based on personal interest, rather than economic reward or the elusive concept of prestige. Did you feel sorry for your family doctor growing up?
Oh, and I love your justification for USC's lower step one scores (the new curriculum), despite the fact that USC students have the advantage of nearly three extra months of study time available. While this makes the boards a pain at UCSD, it completely undermines your theory of USC superiority, since the latter students couldn't score higher even with the advantage.
If you are going to be a homer (which is fine, everyone should be so lucky to love their school), at least make out a cogent argument why your school is "better" next time.
Yes, it is. Hence, we get a lot more interesting patients and we get to do a lot more interesting procedures than you can anywhere else. The good news is, 3 miles away is Monterrey Hills, 6 Miles away is Pasadena, and 10 miles away is Hollywood. So nobody who goes to USC actually lives in the ghetto, but they do work their.pekq said:If I am correct, USC is located in a ghetto that even JHU students would not be envious of. I'd choose UCSD just so I wouldn't be in a ghetto. Not to mention the weather is a lot nicer year round.
Pediatron47 said:This entire thread is stool...
I'm a third year at UCSD, sitting in my call room, and laughing at the "facts" presented.
Hours of Lecture: No one said you HAVE to go
Honors/Pass/Fail: First year is pass/fail only
Curriculum: Yes...traditional
Thesis: AKA ISP...it's a pain, but you get 2 months off your 4th year to do it.
Rankings: Yeah..it ain't bad
Boards: 225...no, not everyone passes..that is on the first try.
Time to study for boards: You do get 3 weeks for step 1. Step 2 you're own your own.
Patients: WHERE DID YOU GET THIS "PRIVATE" STOOL! If by private, you mean VA patients...then yes. If you mean private as in "cash pay" brought up from the border..yes..private. The truth is, I rarely see a "private" patient. In fact, we aren't allowed to see the ones with insurance in Labor and Delivery.
As for the "too many FP/Psych" whining...what does anyone else doing have to do with you? Did you mention the 2 neurosurgeons? If you knew this class personally, you'd understand. UCSD is not a "primary-care" school. It's just this class's personality leant itself to those things...especially psych.
Now do I like it here? No. Weather is great, chicks are hot, but the school is rough. I can't say what USC is like, but I wish I had more options when it came to choosing medical schools.
Jalby said:I must say, the women at UCSD med school is hotter than any other school by far, and the women in San Diego in general. But your last paragraph says it all.
But it sure seems like most of my "facts" were actually facts. I thought it was only the first semester that was Pass/Fail, and I also thought it was 4 weeks for step one, not 3. The Step 2 thing I heard from Kenisho2004 that you have to take it before residency aplications. And I was under the assumtion that the majority of patients you see at UCSD (not just the one VA hospital) are private patients, especially since San Diego doesn't even have a county hospital. They all actually make the cummute to the nearest county hospital, which is harbor, or the second nearest, which is County-USC
As for the other stuff. More hours of lecture means more notes and pieces of useless information that has been kept in the curriculum for historical reasons and not relevant to modern medicine. More Embrylogy, histology, biochemistry, etc, etc. Stuff you never really have to know.
Eraserhead said:The Dean he's talking about gave a speech at the second look about how all of the rumors were exaggerated and such... she was pretty damn cold... I mean I was trying really hard not to be afraid of her and like her but geez I believe him 100% when he describes his interaction with her regarding the family death... luckily for the next set of 1st years, she is leaving the position.
I think the chief problem with UCSD is a lack of care for the health and well-being of students overall, whether its responsiveness to complaints about the curriculum or things like the nurses treating the students like dirt and hogging computers... its just doesn't sound like a nice place to be, it sounds like a place that breeds misery and stress for stupid, uneccessary reasons.
Its funny that the one person defending UCSD gives the caveat at the end of the post saying that he doesn't actually like it there... I think he's pretty representative of the impression I formed from everyone I talked to... I don't think he is an outlier and people should take his comments seriously.
dreghsSC said:USC!!!!!![]()
exmike said:I dont get this debate. If you want to go to the "better" school then it is UCSD hands down, I really don't think USC is the same caliber school as UCSD, although it is a great school.
If you want to throw in other factors like location, teaching style, admin, then its personal preference and only the person making that decision can decide that!
samurai_lincoln said:Do you have a fetish for dredging up old threads or something? That is two in the last few minutes.
Pediatron47 said:So there you all go, the truth at UCSD. Questions and comments are welcome
WillHague007 said:Also, someone told me that UCI averaged the highest on the boards the last couple years out of the SoCal schools. Is there any truth to this?
WillHague007 said:Does anyone know where we can find a list of board score averages?
So where are you going or would like to go?a_student said:btw i'm not planning on attending either one of them i'm just really curious what sdners think