Useful College Classes and Majors

Adam Smasher

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Hey Guys,

I am a 4th year podiatry student, and lately I have been reflecting a bit about the classes I took as an undergrad. Some of them were useful for a career in medicine, and a lot of them weren't. While many of you are probably thinking of pursuing the MD or DO, the DPM curriculum is almost identical in that we still work up illnesses, perform surgeries, prescribe drugs, and get sued whenever we screw up. So that's the perspective I'm coming from.😉

Generally speaking, college is a colossal waste of time and especially money in terms of what it contributes to your medical training. Unless you're a lucky duck and land a full scholarship, you will wind up thousands upon thousands of dollars in debt. And even with a scholarship, your time is not devoid of value, and 4 years out of your life carries a price you may not realize. So choose classes that you will remember a little about 10 years from now.

(Then again, you might spend some of that time engaging in all sorts of debauchery and meeting your future husband/wife/life partner, so it's not a total loss 😉)

First and foremost, you do not need to major in biology. Furthermore, major in something interesting to you. If you major in something interesting, you'll get better grades and you won't hate your life so much. This is important from the stance that you need to get into a medical school, and admissions officers are lazy bureaucrats who will use any drops/failures as an excuse to take your application out of the "accept" pile.

With those obvious sentiments out of the way, the following are my thoughts and opinions on majors in terms of usefulness for a medical professional.

I. The Natural Sciences
Biology: An instinctive choice for the budding pre-med. And Bio 101 is probably the most important undergraduate premedical course, not only because it is heavily represented on the MCAT, but also because it lays the foundation for your physiology and biochemistry courses in medical school. Once you get past Bio 101, however, utility starts to go way down. If you can take undergraduate human anatomy and physiology, great, but the med school equivalents are much more detailed. In the mean time, ecology, botany, and evolution will be among the less-than-useful classes that you get to look forward to.

Molecular Biology: This is the route I took. I had 5 different classes that rehashed the Krebs cycle, DNA translation/transcription, and other concepts in biochemistry. Nonetheless, if you want to be a physician researcher, this will be a valuable route to take. If not, you'll hate yourself for doing it.

Microbiology: You will learn not only about the bugs that affect humans in disease, but also about the bugs that affect animals, the bugs that are ecologically important, the bugs that help us make cheese, and bugs that don't do anything. I took one class and all I remember is about that one fish that swims up your urethra while you're swimming.

Chemistry: After biology, Chem 101 is the most important premedical class to take because it also lays the foundation for physiology and biochemistry. However, that's a distant second. You'll never need to calculate percent yields or how much pH will change by adding whatever, you just need to know broad concepts about solution chemistry. For some reason that I don't understand, you'll need to take Organic, so there's that. Beyond that, don't do it unless you like it.

Math/Physics/Engineering: You're joking, right?

Oh and don't get me started about pain-in-the-butt lab reports. Which brings me to...

II. The Social Sciences
Psychology/Sociology: Possibly easier than the natural sciences, but with more paper writing which will be a drain on your time. Still, you'll gain some insight into human nature, and it's a pretty interesting subject, even if a sizeable chunk of it is nonsense. The greatest benefit is that this major gives you a thorough understanding of statistics, which is vital when you're reading a medical journal. No matter what your major is, take Stats and take it seriously!

Business/Economics/Political Science: Still good for stats. Probably harder than psych, with probably more papers to write. News will make more sense after you've taken these classes. Unless you're into it, avoid.

III. The Humanities
English Literature: My first impulse is to tell you to avoid it as a major. But, for better or for worse, you'll need to write a personal statement when applying to med school, and writing is one of those things you get better at with practice. And 2 semesters of literature is required for admissions anyway, so you may as well see if you like it.

Philosophy/History: Again, lots of reading and writing--this is a good or bad thing.

Foreign Language: Now this is what I wish I'd done. One of the easiest ways for a student to make himself useful to an attending physician is to be able to communicate with a non-english speaking patient. Most of the time, this means speaking spanish, but there are other potentially useful languages to know, depending on where you go to school. Among them: mandarin, polish, creole. Unlike most majors, this knowledge will remain useful throughout life. Then again, if a foreign language is what you want to learn, you don't need to go to college to do it.

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Anyway, I don't get to these forums so much anymore, so feel free to PM me if you have more specific questions about medicine or podiatry or life.
 
If you're a podiatrist I'd like to hear your views on podiatry not undergraduate education. No offense.
 
If you're a podiatrist I'd like to hear your views on podiatry not undergraduate education. No offense.

No worries, no offense taken at all! I am happy to answer any questions you have regarding podiatric medicine and surgery.🙂

As long as we're exchanging constructive criticism, you should take note that my original post was about college majors as they pertain to medical training. You would be well advised, in the future, to be more receptive to the input of clinicians who are older, wiser, and farther along. No offense.😉
 
No worries, no offense taken at all! I am happy to answer any questions you have regarding podiatric medicine and surgery.🙂

As long as we're exchanging constructive criticism, you should take note that my original post was about college majors as they pertain to medical training. You would be well advised, in the future, to be more receptive to the input of clinicians who are older, wiser, and farther along. No offense.😉

None taken as well! I would just like to hear a lot more about your profession than something I do everyday.

Why podiatry and not MD school or DO?
 
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None taken as well! I would just like to hear a lot more about your profession than something I do everyday.

Why podiatry and not MD school or DO?

I shadowed a physician last week, and here is why I find podiatry to be far better:

You can work for yourself, set your own hours, own your clinic. You are not on call all the time, you have a huge variety of care: dermatology, biomechanics, pathology, oncology, reconstruction, surgery, orthopaedics, neurology, vascular-ology (iono the real word here). Your SURGICAL residency is only 3 years. Any other surgical residency you are looking 5+.

While shadowing the doc last week, he worked in a huge clinic, basically had a cubicle in a room he shared with 4 other docs. Every pod I've shadowed has had their own office with a big wooden desk. Sounds trivial, but after 7 years of post-bac training, you better believe I want more than a chincy metal desk in a cubicle.

You can prescribe medications like all physicians, you can dispense (if you want!) orthotics/diabetic shoes (for all you future optometrists wanting to dispense glasses!).

You can work for professional sports teams, and go into sports medicine. You can work in an orthopedic group and only do F/A surgery, you can specialize in diabetic wound care.

The demand for podiatrists is only going to increase as our population ages, and becomes more obese (and thus, diabetes). The salary is good (APMA reports $190k).

Also, a huge bonus (a lot of my colleagues disagree with me here, so take it as you will), admissions are relatively easy compared to medical school. You'll still have to put in the effort in undergrad, but you won't need to stress out over every test and KILL yourself to get a 3.8 GPA. I did that my freshman year of college, but since I switched to podiatry, my life has been fantastic. I don't spend my weekends studying, i get "acceptable" grades (3.5 GPA), and I'm loving life. I'm applying to pod school right now, and I have no doubts in my mind I will get in. I am not stressed about secondary applications or anything.

I've heard it from many people: It's the best kept secret in medicine. Perhaps Adam Smasher has something else to add?
 
How much do podiatrists make?
for the record this is more of a "considering" the field question rather than "ILL GO WHERE THE MONEY IS"
I'm just very naive outside of MD Specialties
 
I shadowed a physician last week, and here is why I find podiatry to be far better:

You can work for yourself, set your own hours, own your clinic. You are not on call all the time, you have a huge variety of care: dermatology, biomechanics, pathology, oncology, reconstruction, surgery, orthopaedics, neurology, vascular-ology (iono the real word here). Your SURGICAL residency is only 3 years. Any other surgical residency you are looking 5+.

While shadowing the doc last week, he worked in a huge clinic, basically had a cubicle in a room he shared with 4 other docs. Every pod I've shadowed has had their own office with a big wooden desk. Sounds trivial, but after 7 years of post-bac training, you better believe I want more than a chincy metal desk in a cubicle.

You can prescribe medications like all physicians, you can dispense (if you want!) orthotics/diabetic shoes (for all you future optometrists wanting to dispense glasses!).

You can work for professional sports teams, and go into sports medicine. You can work in an orthopedic group and only do F/A surgery, you can specialize in diabetic wound care.

The demand for podiatrists is only going to increase as our population ages, and becomes more obese (and thus, diabetes). The salary is good (APMA reports $190k).

Also, a huge bonus (a lot of my colleagues disagree with me here, so take it as you will), admissions are relatively easy compared to medical school. You'll still have to put in the effort in undergrad, but you won't need to stress out over every test and KILL yourself to get a 3.8 GPA. I did that my freshman year of college, but since I switched to podiatry, my life has been fantastic. I don't spend my weekends studying, i get "acceptable" grades (3.5 GPA), and I'm loving life. I'm applying to pod school right now, and I have no doubts in my mind I will get in. I am not stressed about secondary applications or anything.

I've heard it from many people: It's the best kept secret in medicine. Perhaps Adam Smasher has something else to add?

Phlebology.
 
How much do podiatrists make?
for the record this is more of a "considering" the field question rather than "ILL GO WHERE THE MONEY IS"
I'm just very naive outside of MD Specialties

The American Podiatric medical association reports an average of $190k while BLS reports ~120k. It's probably safe to assume you'll make at least 150k.
 
I'm just curious, why is podiatry, a surgical and procedural specialty of medicine, always reported to have a salary at the same level as primary care specialties?

Yes, I know podiatrists go to pediatric medical school, but what podiatrists do is still medicine and surgery.

Beyond that, an answer would be appreciated.
 
I'm just curious, why is podiatry, a surgical and procedural specialty of medicine, always reported to have a salary at the same level as primary care specialties?

Yes, I know podiatrists go to pediatric medical school, but what podiatrists do is still medicine and surgery.

Beyond that, an answer would be appreciated.

The answer has many reasons, but ill attempt a few:

Many/most older pods do not have surgical training. They do mostly palliative care in their offices. While this can be very lucrative, it often doesn't pay as well as, say a podiatrist working in an ortho group.

Pods do a lot of "primary care." biomechanics, warts, calluses and wound care is a lot of pods bread and butter. If this was anywhere else on the body, a lot of people would see a PCP.

A lot of pods run their own business. While this is good for lifestyle, this has a lot of added costs: malpractice, rent, nurses, office managers, surgery center fees, etc. whereas if you work for a large group and are salaried, you don't see a lot of these expenses.

I've heard of pods making $75k and I've heard of a couple of pods making $750k. The field is so diverse in what you can and actually do practice that, in the end, the field is a lot like dentistry. The average salary is mid 100s, but some dental specialist (comparably pod surgeons) make 300k, and some rural dentists (rural/older pods) make less than 100k. The gambit is huge!
 
Makes sense. I've always been very curious of the profession. I'm planning to shadow a podiatrist in the near future to see what it's like.

Thanks, broseph.

And yes, autocorrect did change "podiatric" to "pediatric." *Sigh*
 
Makes sense. I've always been very curious of the profession. I'm planning to shadow a podiatrist in the near future to see what it's like.

Thanks, broseph.

And yes, autocorrect did change "podiatric" to "pediatric." *Sigh*

Haha I saw that and didn't bother commenting on it cause I knew what you meant - happened to me before too.

Let us know how the shadowing goes in the pod forums!
 
maxillofacial -- so are you sucking it up and planning to take on debt for pod school? Just curious. I remember your post about the hpsp program being cut.
 
maxillofacial -- so are you sucking it up and planning to take on debt for pod school? Just curious. I remember your post about the hpsp program being cut.

Yeah; I guess. It pissed me off a lot when my recruiter called me and told me the program got cut, but w/e. I'm confident I'll be able to pay back loans and make a good living as a pod. I'm truthfully not concerned.

That being said, would it have been way cooler to get school paid for and a monthly stipend? Definitely! I was actually excited abut serving my country too, but the way things stand right now, it looks like I'm just going the traditional student route and take out loans!
 
Podiatrists must be in high demand in the military. Your feet are everything in there.
 
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