USF Anesthesia Residency?

[Nivens]

Caught wind of a rumor this may be revived. Anyone know if there is any truth in it?

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[AdmiralChz]

I have heard rumors as well, but there’s nothing yet for even pre-approval on the ACGME website. Apparently it’s not easy to reopen - you have to prove a lot of things to the RRC and ACGME.

An acquaintance of mine now lists himself as a “fellowship director” there in ananesthesia subspecialty on LinkedIn... which I thought was really strange. That would indicate they are trying to move forward, but it’s a multi-year process.

With the loads of new programs in Florida that’ve opened in the past few years, I’m not sure I see a need for it.

 

[Nivens]

Interesting. Agree re need, but I’d like to see an academic department in Tampa for future career options 😉

 

[Aether2000]

If it does re-open, hopefully it will be under legitimate management and not run as a slave labor mill for a private practice group.

 

[sniderwes]

What is the benefit of hospitals having a residency program? Do they profit financially from it?

 

[POW16]

What is the benefit of hospitals having a residency program? Do they profit financially from it?

Of course. A senior resident in any field is more qualified than a midlevel without any cost to the hospital.

 

[AdmiralChz]

Interesting. Agree re need, but I’d like to see an academic department in Tampa for future career options 😉

Tampa/St Pete/Clearwater is a downright gorgeous, fantastic area of Florida. There's a reason why nearby beaches (Siesta Key, Clearwater Beach) are consistently ranked Top 1-3 in the US - they are spectacular, and the weather is just wonderful. And the cost of living isn't all that horrible (compared to Miami or southern FL in general)!

However, as you probably know, the job market in that area is... well, horrendous. Probably because the area is so desirable to live. The AMCs that took up shop are the worst of the worst - a few years ago it was Sheridan territory with pathetically low starting salary offers (way below MGMA, no partnership, hard work) for new grads. I trained not too far away - in my 4 years of training, only 1 residency grad moved to the area. There may be pockets better than others, but if there was anything obvious in the area I would have jumped on it myself. Of note - the bad job market applies to nearly all specialties based on conversations I've had with people in the area, and the main "academic" hospital there, Tampa General, is a hot mess. Real deal complex academic cases typically get shipped to the real academic areas in the state: Miami and Gainesville (UF).

There was a group there in the past that did some private practice and CCM work which was pretty solid - Florida Gulf to Bay I believe - but word is when they sold to a hedge fund in 2012 it all went to crap. Tons of PP surgical practices went this route as well.

This will be something to keep on eye on going forward for sure. The old USF program was a total disaster and one of the few victims of the ACGME "nuclear" option of total program shutdown - it'll take a lot of work to reopen it.

 

[AdmiralChz]

Of course. A senior resident in any field is more qualified than a midlevel without any cost to the hospital.

Not exactly true. Medicare funds for residency are maxed out, so new positions like this are going to have be paid by the sponsoring institution (USF? Tampa General? Anesthesia practice? No one will really want to pay.). Also, if it's a group that runs 3:1 or 4:1 you may need to re-tool how you run your practice (e.g. hire more docs) to be able to cover rooms 2:1. That might be a seismic shift for a private practice group. Plus you'll need to add academic opportunities for your residents, which may or may not currently exist (and are pretty broad). You can make an argument that the total package is cheaper than having nurses or AAs in the rooms, but in the end you'll definitely need more MD staff which might be tough.

 

[Mr.S]

If it does re-open, hopefully it will be under legitimate management and not run as a slave labor mill for a private practice group.

Thats how you learn. You dont learn how to be practically good by reading books.

 

[AdmiralChz]

Thats how you learn. You dont learn how to be practically good by reading books.

They were shut down by driving their residents into the ground and apparently had them lie about subspecialty exposure they weren’t getting. It was all work, minimal to zero academic opportunities and total scut work. The ACGME doesn’t shutter programs for nothing, it’s a huge deal with tons of paperwork and by all accounts it was a crap show of a program.

Other than that I’m sure it was great training.