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[Tozanzibarbymotorcar]

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Yes, DOs will surely be able to "step up their game" now by taking away literally the one thing that allows them to "step up their game" and compete with US MDs....

Not true. How about providing consistent rotation sites that are on par with what the MDs have? One of the largest complaints from PDs that I’ve heard. How about providing better, more scholarly research opportunities? I could go on if I had time. I think it is a cop out keep saying that our competitiveness should depend on step one. That’s what the Carribean MDs say but they also have months to prepare.

 

[Solodyn]

That is precisely my point. Steaming lectures in medical school is a downward slope... What is next? Online pre-recorded basic science lectures updated every 4 years? Medical students arrange their own rotations? Next thing you know we have the University of Phoenix School of Medicine.

 

[samac]

That is precisely my point. Steaming lectures in medical school is a downward slope... What is next? Online pre-recorded basic science lectures updated every 4 years? Medical students arrange their own rotations? Next thing you know we have the University of Phoenix School of Medicine.

I think you’re overreaching here.
it’s easier to take in information in a recording you can pause, speed up, all the good stuff. Honestly pre recorded lectures would work. Have to go to campus for clinical classes and learn clinical skills.
Clinicals have to remain up to a certain standard. No one is advocating to just have people set up their own glorified shadowing positions.

 

[hallowmann]

That is precisely my point. Steaming lectures in medical school is a downward slope... What is next? Online pre-recorded basic science lectures updated every 4 years? Medical students arrange their own rotations? Next thing you know we have the University of Phoenix School of Medicine.

Most medical schools (including US MD schools) record or stream lectures. Many if not most US MD students don't go to lecture and rather watch recordings. This is nothing new. This has been the case for the last decade.

We record and stream our didactics all the time. Its wonderful not to have to worry about attending a lecture between patients when we can catch up on notes and watch them later or running to another building or even different hospital to catch a lecture halfway through. Most lectures are very compatible with recording with limited "loss" of learning. The only thing you miss with recordings is the ability to ask questions, which is actually solved in the case of streaming.

 

[dohopeful13]

Not true. How about providing consistent rotation sites that are on par with what the MDs have? One of the largest complaints from PDs that I’ve heard. How about providing better, more scholarly research opportunities? I could go on if I had time. I think it is a cop out keep saying that our competitiveness should depend on step one. That’s what the Carribean MDs say but they also have months to prepare.

Does it have to be one or another? Those are much needed improvements, but even if these issues were magically fixed overnight, the DO stigma would still very much be there because "better research and rotations" are subjective. Nothing is going to beat what an objective comparison can provide (aka board scores)

 

[AlteredScale]

Does it have to be one or another? Those are much needed improvements, but even if these issues were magically fixed overnight, the DO stigma would still very much be there because "better research and rotations" are subjective. Nothing is going to beat what an objective comparison can provide (aka board scores)

Of course step/comlex scores matter. It's the number one thing they use to assess applicants for invites and ranking.

But I will say, of the interviews I've been on, about 50% I've had PD and faculty literally look me in the eyes and say "tell me where you did your IM rotations third and fourth year" and wrote everything I said which included "I specifically had to go out of my way to rotate at an academic medical center with residents".

So there absolutely needs to be a push for higher quality, more consistent rotations which will never happen given the speed of DO schools opening and the large class sizes in some really really small cities.

 

[ohmanwaddup]

Of course step/comlex scores matter. It's the number one thing they use to assess applicants for invites and ranking.

But I will say, of the interviews I've been on, about 50% I've had PD and faculty literally look me in the eyes and say "tell me where you did your IM rotations third and fourth year" and wrote everything I said which included "I specifically had to go out of my way to rotate at an academic medical center with residents".

So there absolutely needs to be a push for higher quality, more consistent rotations which will never happen given the speed of DO schools opening and the large class sizes in some really really small cities.

This terrifies me. Like I'm glad to be informed and will be aggressive in trying to get academic aways and to do audition rotations and I get where their concern comes from but geez man I'm trying over here lol

 

[AlteredScale]

This terrifies me. Like I'm glad to be informed and will be aggressive in trying to get academic aways and to do audition rotations and I get where their concern comes from but geez man I'm trying over here lol

Sorry to scare you haha. I mean it's not like they are mean about it but they just wanna see that you took the initiative to rotate at good places.