Uvm vs rosalind vs oakland

[Igvgi]

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Trying to get people's honest opinions good or bad about the following schools: rosalind Franklin, university of vermont, and oakland university.

Basics I know: Oakland is new (about to graduate it's first class). And they are all in cold areas.

 

[Earl Simmons]

Home state?

 

[Igvgi]

Florida. No IS love.

 

[Igvgi]

Went to undergrad in the Midwest

 

[Earl Simmons]

So initial thoughts: isnt UVM OOS tuition insane? (Close to 60K) not worth it at all.
Next, Oakland is new, so tentative about that school. Rosalind is in Chicago. I would think that's a great environment to be in and could land you a Chicago residency since chicago residencies tend to pick from Their own.

How did you like each one when you visited?

Edit: just realized Rosalind's tuition is close to 50K anyways, so perhaps tuition isn't an issue. The bigger thing may be financial aid packages.

 

[Igvgi]

I don't want to bias the thread. But I liked each for it's unique qualities. Oakland - hospital
Vermont - curriculum
Rosalind - residencies
But each have its cons.
I'm trying my best not to chose a school based on tuition or fin aid if it comes down to it.

 

[keevwu]

UVM. hospital affiliation is really good w/ Fletcher Allen. It's also been around forever, one of the first medical schools in the US. Rosalind has concerns with rotations I believe, and Oakland U is quite new.

 

[ridethecliche]

Uhh... UVM. This shouldn't even be a question tbh.

Also, RFU is NOT in Chicago. North Chicago is an hour+ out of the city.

 

[claduva94]

Hands down UVM. You can do rotations in Florida. Plus Ben and Jerry's. Need I say more?

 

[LouDog1989]

Hands down UVM. You can do rotations in Florida. Plus Ben and Jerry's. Need I say more?

Agreed, UVM seems like the way to go here. But, that's just me.

 

[Doug Underhill]

All of them are good. Pick the one that impressed you most on the interview: most of the people reading this topic are pre-meds who judge schools based on MSAR stats and US News rankings. The other people who would read this topic are people who are students or faculty at Rosy Franklin, Oakland, or Vermont and are rooting for the home team.

 

[Igvgi]

Thanks everyone! so fin aid isn't out yet but considering oakland is a newer school and they do tend to be more generous in scholarships. Would that factor in like say I got $100,000 from Oakland?

 

[ridethecliche]

I'd still be hesitant to go to a school with no track record when you have better options.

When you're on the residency interview trail and no one has heard of your home institution, will you care about the 100k or will you be like "Hah, I don't mind justifying being here to all my residency programs because I 'saved' 100k!"

All of them are good. Pick the one that impressed you most on the interview: most of the people reading this topic are pre-meds who judge schools based on MSAR stats and US News rankings. The other people who would read this topic are people who are students or faculty at Rosy Franklin, Oakland, or Vermont and are rooting for the home team.

No Doug, no!

UVM has a solid reputation, RFU does not, no one knows what oakland is yet.

The people that are 'judging based on MSAR stats' (like yourself see the 'pre med' by your name) are also thinking about what these things mean for residency. Fact is... they matter.

I asked one of the attendings I work with if he knew what Rosalind Franklin was and he had no idea. This guy trained in chicago...

They're all great places to get an education, no doubt, but if you have the option I wouldn't go with a new school or a place with less recognition. Obviously, this is dependent on what you're interested in but opportunities and exposure matter.

 

[WingedOx]

No Doug, no!

UVM has a solid reputation, RFU does not, no one knows what oakland is yet.

The people that are 'judging based on MSAR stats' (like yourself see the 'pre med' by your name) are also thinking about what these things mean for residency. Fact is... they matter.

I asked one of the attendings I work with if he knew what Rosalind Franklin was and he had no idea. This guy trained in chicago...

They're all great places to get an education, no doubt, but if you have the option I wouldn't go with a new school or a place with less recognition. Obviously, this is dependent on what you're interested in but opportunities and exposure matter.

ehhhhh, I wouldn't let one doctor's ignorance of a place be evidence of anything. That place has been around forever (though under a different name until about a decade ago). His not knowing says more about your doctor's knowledge of medical education than anything about RFU.

 

[tantacles]

I'd still be hesitant to go to a school with no track record when you have better options.

When you're on the residency interview trail and no one has heard of your home institution, will you care about the 100k or will you be like "Hah, I don't mind justifying being here to all my residency programs because I 'saved' 100k!"





No Doug, no!

UVM has a solid reputation, RFU does not, no one knows what oakland is yet.

The people that are 'judging based on MSAR stats' (like yourself see the 'pre med' by your name) are also thinking about what these things mean for residency. Fact is... they matter.

I asked one of the attendings I work with if he knew what Rosalind Franklin was and he had no idea. This guy trained in chicago...

They're all great places to get an education, no doubt, but if you have the option I wouldn't go with a new school or a place with less recognition. Obviously, this is dependent on what you're interested in but opportunities and exposure matter.

Just FYI, try asking "Chicago Medical School" or CMS. The University as a whole changed its name ~7 years ago, but Chicago Medical School has been around forever.

 

[tantacles]

Trying to get people's honest opinions good or bad about the following schools: rosalind Franklin, university of vermont, and oakland university.

Basics I know: Oakland is new (about to graduate it's first class). And they are all in cold areas.

My input:

I interviewed at UVM, and I was impressed by the educational resources they have for the M1 and M2 year as well as the fact that it's a 1.5 year curriculum. Definitely a great school. The disadvantage that I saw was the fact that it's rural (or at least felt that way).

I attend RFU, and it's a great school with fantastic clinical rotations, at least with regard to the ones I've been on so far. Weaknesses compared to UVM are a full 2 year pre-clinical curriculum and fewer resources with regard to research and administration.

Oakland I can't speak to.

 

[Igvgi]

Reputation ain't my game. I just want a lot of clinical experience (like most of us do) and good residencies will come if you work hard enough. One thing I learned in this process is that your undergrad institution might give you a foot in the door, but if you don't have the grades or mcat you won't pass Go. I have faith in Oakland by the M4s I talked to and where they were interviewing at and for what fields. But UVM does have more solid, reliable success. Rosalind im more on the border with since its accreditation issues and lack of a hospital affiliation the first two years, but I would love to do rotations in Chicago (I know the school is in the burbs) as that's where I went to undergrad. And Chicago is a big city so it could be more experience and networking, or it could be more competition with feinberg, Rush, and pritzker for residencies in Chicago.

 

[WingedOx]

I've met a few Oakland soon to be grads who interviewed here, and they were generally positive about their experiences. Unlike a lot of new med schools popping up, I've generally had confidence that they would figure out how to run a good school based their affiliations.

Contrast that with Western and Central Michigan's new med schools, which just seem unnecessary.

 

[tantacles]

Reputation ain't my game. I just want a lot of clinical experience (like most of us do) and good residencies will come if you work hard enough. One thing I learned in this process is that your undergrad institution might give you a foot in the door, but if you don't have the grades or mcat you won't pass Go. I have faith in Oakland by the M4s I talked to and where they were interviewing at and for what fields. But UVM does have more solid, reliable success. Rosalind im more on the border with since its accreditation issues and lack of a hospital affiliation the first two years, but I would love to do rotations in Chicago (I know the school is in the burbs) as that's where I went to undergrad. And Chicago is a big city so it could be more experience and networking, or it could be more competition with feinberg, Rush, and pritzker for residencies in Chicago.

To be honest, you're competing with those places and everyone else in the country if you aim to go to Feinberg, Rush, or Pritzker for residency. Otherwise, residency programs in the Chicago area aren't remarkably difficult to get into provided your Step 1 score is good and you aren't a total turd on your clinical rotations. People from our school interview all over.

 

[ridethecliche]

Just FYI, try asking "Chicago Medical School" or CMS. The University as a whole changed its name ~7 years ago, but Chicago Medical School has been around forever.

Ah, noted. Didn't know the name change was that recent. Glad to hear your experience has been good so far!

 

[yuhab]

All of them are good. Pick the one that impressed you most on the interview: most of the people reading this topic are pre-meds who judge schools based on MSAR stats and US News rankings. The other people who would read this topic are people who are students or faculty at Rosy Franklin, Oakland, or Vermont and are rooting for the home team.

I actually 100% agree. It's easy to judge based off of what you hear or don't hear about a school, especially if you haven't interviewed there yourself. YOU interviewed there, so only YOU will know if it's the best fit for you.

When you're on the residency interview trail and no one has heard of your home institution, will you care about the 100k or will you be like "Hah, I don't mind justifying being here to all my residency programs because I 'saved' 100k!"

Sure, the reputation of the school counts for something, but everyone know's its not everything. 100K is not something to turn your nose up at.


I'm in a similar situation as you. Trying to decide between ouwb with scholarship and a few other schools, a couple top tiers etc. imo, while residency directors may not have heard of oakland, they sure have heard of Beaumont. Excellent clinical experiences, a happy student population, great fin. aid. Downsides are obviously weather, mandatory lectures, preclinical grading, and distance to hospital from main campus. For me, it could still go either way. but while I try to justify better research opportunities, COL, or location elsewhere, something draws me back to my interview at ouwb. I don't exactly know what it is, but it must count for something.

 

[Igvgi]

something draws me back to my interview at ouwb.

I totally agree. They knew how to conduct a great interview while still being transparent.
Good luck choosing a school too! Best position I could ever ask for especially after an unsuccessful cycle two years ago.

 

[DoctorSynthesis]

I'd still be hesitant to go to a school with no track record when you have better options.

When you're on the residency interview trail and no one has heard of your home institution, will you care about the 100k or will you be like "Hah, I don't mind justifying being here to all my residency programs because I 'saved' 100k!"





No Doug, no!

UVM has a solid reputation, RFU does not, no one knows what oakland is yet.

The people that are 'judging based on MSAR stats' (like yourself see the 'pre med' by your name) are also thinking about what these things mean for residency. Fact is... they matter.

I asked one of the attendings I work with if he knew what Rosalind Franklin was and he had no idea. This guy trained in chicago...

They're all great places to get an education, no doubt, but if you have the option I wouldn't go with a new school or a place with less recognition. Obviously, this is dependent on what you're interested in but opportunities and exposure matter.

Might know RFU as Chicago med

 

[tantacles]

Might know RFU as Chicago med

You're a little slow to the punch, bud. ;-)

 

[DoctorSynthesis]

You're a little slow to the punch, bud. ;-)

Ahh I didn't read your post 😛.

 

[Omppu27]

I'd still be hesitant to go to a school with no track record when you have better options.

When you're on the residency interview trail and no one has heard of your home institution, will you care about the 100k or will you be like "Hah, I don't mind justifying being here to all my residency programs because I 'saved' 100k!"

No Doug, no!

UVM has a solid reputation, RFU does not, no one knows what oakland is yet.

The people that are 'judging based on MSAR stats' (like yourself see the 'pre med' by your name) are also thinking about what these things mean for residency. Fact is... they matter.

I asked one of the attendings I work with if he knew what Rosalind Franklin was and he had no idea. This guy trained in chicago...

They're all great places to get an education, no doubt, but if you have the option I wouldn't go with a new school or a place with less recognition. Obviously, this is dependent on what you're interested in but opportunities and exposure matter.

So it sounds like you're not going to your RFU interview?? 😛

Just FYI, try asking "Chicago Medical School" or CMS. The University as a whole changed its name ~7 years ago, but Chicago Medical School has been around forever.

Might know RFU as Chicago med

My II email to RFU was actually titled "Chicago Medical School Interview Invitation." Also, my uncle, a practicing physician in the US, didn't recognize Rosalind Franklin either. I'm gonna ask if he'd know CMS. That said, I wouldn't worry about this OP. Also, FWIW, as other people have mentioned, despite RFU not having a main hospital affiliation, they do rotate at strong hospitals around the city of Chicago.

Best of luck with your decision!