VA vs. University Hosptial Training

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Hi,

I will be starting my prelim year this July. About 6 months out of the 12 months will be at the VA. I am wondering how is the training different at the VA in terms of stress, paper work, computer system, nurses, ER and other issues that I am not aware of? I greatly appreciate any response.

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Please I need help regarding this question. I know somebody knows about the difference. Thank you.
 
I spent a fair amount of time at the VA in Richmond (McGuire), so I can tell you a little about my experiences. It is difficult to generalize, so don't take my perspective as gospel.

For starters, the folks at McGuire told me that VA's fall into one of two categories: good and bad. McGuire was, of course, a good one. There were a few others in the region (who shall go unnamed) that you might consider sending grandpa to if you're eyeing his inheritance. At least, that was the word around the campfire.

Many people call it the "VA Spa", as things just run a little slower there. Think of a plantation circa 1830 on a hot summer day. Consults don't happen, orders don't get filled, and so on. You can faintly smell the government bureacracy in the hallways, but don't get me wrong. A helluva lot of excellent providers work their butts off to take care of the vets. And yet, just try getting a CT scan on the weekend, for example. It usually involves calling the radiology tech and begging profusely.

One thing you might notice about the VA is that the patients tend to die a lot. I had one patient die in a month of university medicine wards, while at the VA we were having several a week drop out of the living program. Some lung cancers, a horrible idiopathic pancreatits, etc. One guy called the hospital with severe diarrhea and said his friend was driving him the 2+ hours to McGuire. When the ER folks went out to get him he was stone dead in the passenger seat. Such is life there.

One interesting thing about the VA is the patient population, as they tend to be grizzled old guys with a lot of problems. There are a lot of scars, both psychological and hepatic. Most of them are very pleasant and accepting, and I've had some great times dealing with them. If you were to roll a keg down the hallway there would be a veritable comet of old guys behind you, staggering, limping, rolling and crawling along.

The computer system at McGuire is awesome. It's extremely intuitive; I literally taught myself most of the necessary aspects of it in about 20 minutes. I wish MCV had adopted it (it's open source code, I'm told), but instead they blew 50 million bucks installing Cerner Millennium, which is a pile of almost unusable electronic garbage.

As for the nurses, I hesitate to say anything. Just consider that many of them have been VA employees for a long, long time, and they are deeply entrenched. Enough said.
 
The VA has its pluses and minuses.

Positives:
excellent patient information system
good "bread and butter" medicine training
easy resource access for patients to get anything they need (including meds)
good primary care system
high volume, lots of autonomy as a resident

Negatives:
putting orders in the computer can be a nightmare
laziness/bureacracy is not only frustrating, it actually causes deaths
patients abuse the system
lack of some services/adequate level of services at hospital
nothing happens on nights and weekends....nothing
 
Each VA tends to be variable. I spent about 14 weeks of med school at the Seattle VA. They have close associate with the University, so nearly all of the physicians hold faculty appointments, and residents and fellows are on just about every service. But, the ancillary/nursing/lab/ect. staff are all government employees. A few gems in the mix (hang on to them), a lot of ambivalence, and a few rotten apples.

Most of the resident run services at the Puget Sound VA are usually assigned some sort of liaison person who is usually good about helping to navigate the system. You'll find plenty of obstacles at first though. For example, it's 2 pm on Saturday, and you need a lab draw on your patient, can't sweet talk the nurse into doing it, then you'll have to wait until 6 am Sunday when the lab comes by again or do it yourself (or get your med student to do it). It's 7 pm and you want to get a CT scan. No X-ray tech in house after hours, hope you really want it.

Overall I've enjoyed my VA time. I get to go back during my residency, and I'm looking foward to it.
 
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