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Hello all,

I have been a long time looker, but have never posted anything so here goes... I have a question regarding vet experience. I am a freshman at Utah State University majoring in bioveterinary science. I have had a lot of animal and vet experience while in high school and was wondering if this high school experience be counted as experience when I apply to vet school in a few years? Do the vet schools look negatively on old experience. I will be requiring a lot more experience these next few years, but I was just curious. Another question: when people say they have had like 2000 hours of experience, does this mean all vet experience or a mix between animal related and vet experience? How much experience have successful vet applicants had in the past, particularly students that go to Colorado State? Just want to be prepared!:scared: Thanks all!
 
I have had a lot of animal and vet experience while in high school and was wondering if this high school experience be counted as experience when I apply to vet school in a few years? Do the vet schools look negatively on old experience.

I included a lot of things I did while in highschool, but it was all animal experience not with a vet (teaching horseback riding, volunteering at the SPCA, zoo volunteering, etc). It all counts as "animal experience." Personally I think it shows that you've had a sustained interest. For me it was also imporant b/c I was pre-human med my first couple of years of college and so most of the experiences I was doing were geared toward that. You will need to have a decent amount of experience with a vet to be competitive anyway so you'll probably be able to fill "new" experiences with the vet-experience you need anyway.

Another question: when people say they have had like 2000 hours of experience, does this mean all vet experience or a mix between animal related and vet experience? How much experience have successful vet applicants had in the past, particularly students that go to Colorado State? Just want to be prepared!:scared: Thanks all!

The question about the importance (and sometimes truthfullness) of having a zillion hours has been raised before on the forums. Some people will have a ton, especially if they worked in a vet clinic throughout highschool and college and/or did research (like a masters) with a vet. That's just sort of the way it is.

A decent amount of people simply did their best to juggle shadowing with school and/or another job. Usually vet schools like to see a variety of different types of experiences. I would try to get involved with 1-2 places in some sort of regular capacity (like every weekend, or once a week, etc).....if you've got a while before applying those hours will build up and more importantly the vets will get to know you and that you're comitted and should be able to write a LOR for you when it comes time to apply. Also, just try to use your summers wisely. It's a great time to pack in some experience, as well as travel to get different experience you might not be able to do locally.

I don't know about CO in particular. If that's your goal I would certainly arrange to talk with them and see exactly what they advise.
 
Hello all,

I have been a long time looker, but have never posted anything so here goes... I have a question regarding vet experience. I am a freshman at Utah State University majoring in bioveterinary science. I have had a lot of animal and vet experience while in high school and was wondering if this high school experience be counted as experience when I apply to vet school in a few years? Do the vet schools look negatively on old experience. I will be requiring a lot more experience these next few years, but I was just curious. Another question: when people say they have had like 2000 hours of experience, does this mean all vet experience or a mix between animal related and vet experience? How much experience have successful vet applicants had in the past, particularly students that go to Colorado State? Just want to be prepared!:scared: Thanks all!

Just a warning here, but try not to compare yourself to everyone else too much, particularly in terms of hours of experience. There's a huge quality vs quantity issue there. I knew a lot of people at CSU (I was there for 5 years) and the people who got in ranged from 0 hours and first time applicant to many thousands of hours doing tons of impressive things and still having to apply multiple times (years). What I've always heard is that schools want to know that you've gotten your hands dirty and have some understanding of what it is like to be a vet. And find a variety of things to get involved with. Diversify your experience.
High school doesn't really count unless it was something major, say, spending entire summers volunteering at a shelter or clinic. Definately include if you are still involved when you go home for the summer, etc. Hopefully you'll get enough quality experience in the next couple of years to not feel the need to include high school.
Anyway, I'm just rambling now because it's late but don't spend a lot of time worrying. Join your school's pre-vet club. That's another good source of info.
 
High school doesn't really count unless it was something major
Some of the sections on VMCAS specifically say to list all relevant experience "including high school". Don't remember off the top of my head if the vet experience section is one of them.
 
I have a sort-of related question regarding veterinary/animal experience. I have had experience as a kennel worker, assisting the vet and all, so that should count as veterinary experience. I also worked at the medical center of a large animal shelter as a "recovery technician", where I watched animals recovering from surgery. This also including assisting vet techs before surgery with restraining, wrapping packs, etc. Does this count as veterinary experience, even though it wasn't exactly with vets, but in a medical setting, or is it just animal experience? Also, I'm volunteering at a small cat shelter as a "meds volunteer". I gives cats meds, hand feeds, hydration, and also need to look out for signs of cold, coccidia, ringworm, etc. It isn't exactly "veterinary" experience, but being medically related, does it count higher than just animal experience?

Also, I'm currently a junior in college and haven't yet worked with large animals. I am hoping to get a job/internship next summer (before senior year) working with a large animal vet. Is this too late? Should I try to get whatever large animal experience I can get during the school year, despite living in NYC?
 
I have a sort-of related question regarding veterinary/animal experience. I have had experience as a kennel worker, assisting the vet and all, so that should count as veterinary experience.

Umm...this sort of depends. It actually sounds more like animal experience. If you spent most of your time cleaning cages or just walking dogs....even if a vet told you to do it, I really think that's animal experience.

I also worked at the medical center of a large animal shelter as a "recovery technician", where I watched animals recovering from surgery. This also including assisting vet techs before surgery with restraining, wrapping packs, etc. Does this count as veterinary experience, even though it wasn't exactly with vets, but in a medical setting, or is it just animal experience?

This actually sounds more like vet experience...aka "a vet assistant" position rather then a "kennel" position.

Also, I'm volunteering at a small cat shelter as a "meds volunteer". I gives cats meds, hand feeds, hydration, and also need to look out for signs of cold, coccidia, ringworm, etc. It isn't exactly "veterinary" experience, but being medically related, does it count higher than just animal experience?

This is a little confusing b/c you shouldn't be allowed really to administer drugs by needle (or figure out dosages) without a vet being involved in some close capacity. If a vet watches over you and tells you to admister stuff, then that's vet experience. I'm not really sure what "looking out for signs" entails (doesn't everyone do this?)....if you're keeping medical histories and consutling a vet about them, then maybe that's vet experience. If you're just doing other kennel things and pointing out a sniffle here and there, then that's animal xp.

Also, I'm currently a junior in college and haven't yet worked with large animals. I am hoping to get a job/internship next summer (before senior year) working with a large animal vet. Is this too late? Should I try to get whatever large animal experience I can get during the school year, despite living in NYC?

Usually they like to at least know that you can make your way around a horse/cow etc., but I wouldn't super devote/seek veterinary xp unless it's something you want to go into (which I'm guessing it isn't). I really don't think having large animal xp really makes someone all that much more competitive. The application probably should have some basic knowledge, but that can often be gotten easier through some sort of volunteering.
 
This is a little confusing b/c you shouldn't be allowed really to administer drugs by needle (or figure out dosages) without a vet being involved in some close capacity. If a vet watches over you and tells you to admister stuff, then that's vet experience. I'm not really sure what "looking out for signs" entails (doesn't everyone do this?)....if you're keeping medical histories and consutling a vet about them, then maybe that's vet experience. If you're just doing other kennel things and pointing out a sniffle here and there, then that's animal xp.

It's not uncommon when working at a shelter or wildlife rescue that you do these things without any vets around. I read somewhere on here that wildlife rescue should count as vet exp even though there is no vet on duty most of the time (I don't know if I agree with that though).
 
I have a sort-of related question regarding veterinary/animal experience. I have had experience as a kennel worker, assisting the vet and all, so that should count as veterinary experience. I also worked at the medical center of a large animal shelter as a "recovery technician", where I watched animals recovering from surgery. This also including assisting vet techs before surgery with restraining, wrapping packs, etc. Does this count as veterinary experience, even though it wasn't exactly with vets, but in a medical setting, or is it just animal experience?

I think you can count the kennel job as vet experience IF you are conscious enough to observe what the vets are doing during your time there, and don't be afraid to ask questions when you see interesting things happening. Let the vets know that you are trying to get into vet school, let them see you cleaning up after them, asking them questions, etc... and hopefully you can get a letter of rec from them in the end. At that point there would be no question that it was vet experience. After all, schools aren't looking for "tech experience" so it's not really about whether you are performing tech duties or not. Don't make the same mistake I did. My first kennel job I worked my butt off, but was too intimidated to let the vets know why I was working there in the first place. The day I quit was the first time I actually got to talk to the head vet about my goals, and it turned out she was extremely understanding and approachable.
 
While I worked as a kennel keeper, I did do plenty of cleaning/dog walking, but I was also restraining animals and observing while the vet was doing examinations, and I also got to observe a few surgeries. Is it still just animal experience?

If large animal experience isn't all that necessary, then how important is it to get experience working with any other animals asides from cats and dogs?
 
I wouldn't super devote/seek veterinary xp [in large animal med] unless it's something you want to go into (which I'm guessing it isn't).

I absolutely do not agree...first of all, moonpaw hasn't worked with large animals, so how does she know thats not what she wants to go into? secondly, even if its not something she's interested in, the only way to find out is to try it. it's so foolish to go into vet school with a predetermined career path, because you really never know what might happen. I just heard a lecture yesterday about a vet who planned on working on dairy cattle, and ended up being the leading hollywood vet for movie sets...so from being at vet school for only a few short weeks, the one piece of advice i can give pre vets is keep your options open! working with large animals is really fun! and, the more varied experience you have, the better your app looks. so moonpaw, don't get it into your head that cats and dogs are the only animals you should have experience with! you (usually) need to be much more varied than that to have a chance at getting in.

hope that helps and best of luck!

Bari
Tufts V10
 
I absolutely do not agree...first of all, moonpaw hasn't worked with large animals, so how does she know thats not what she wants to go into? secondly, even if its not something she's interested in, the only way to find out is to try it. it's so foolish to go into vet school with a predetermined career path, because you really never know what might happen. I just heard a lecture yesterday about a vet who planned on working on dairy cattle, and ended up being the leading hollywood vet for movie sets...so from being at vet school for only a few short weeks, the one piece of advice i can give pre vets is keep your options open! working with large animals is really fun! and, the more varied experience you have, the better your app looks. so moonpaw, don't get it into your head that cats and dogs are the only animals you should have experience with! you (usually) need to be much more varied than that to have a chance at getting in.

hope that helps and best of luck!

Bari
Tufts V10


Besides this - with the shortage of LA vets in the USA these days, you can never go wrong by telling admissions ppl that you want to do large animal, even if you may not. Sometimes you've got to work the system and tell people what they want to hear..... but you'd better have some vet experience to back up your claims.
 
Thank you, both of you guys!
 
I absolutely do not agree...first of all, moonpaw hasn't worked with large animals, so how does she know thats not what she wants to go into? secondly, even if its not something she's interested in, the only way to find out is to try it. it's so foolish to go into vet school with a predetermined career path, because you really never know what might happen.

A lot of people get to vet school and join clubs etc. about the species they are less familiar with. If you do not plan on attending a school that tracks, you will have to take courses in food/lab/equine regardless of if you plan to work on them or not. Basically there will be plenty of chances to see if you want to do LA once you get to vet school. I know several ppl who did "switch" in vet school....apparently the equine units/instructors are notorious for making people want to work with them.

The reason I said I wouldn't freak out not having a ton of veterinary LA experience is b/c I know a lot of people who have and who went through very drastic and often expensive measures (driving 2+ hours to a clinic, temporarily relocating, etc.) to get some LA xp and regreted it b/c they lost time they wanted to be doing SA or other non-LA experience and/or had their grades suffer.

When I wrote my post, I wasn't considering schools that track. I'm not sure how rigid those curriculums are in terms of exposure to other species, but you're going to have to know all species for the boards, so I'm guessing there is some cross over. If the programs are pretty strict then it probably is more important to get some LA experience before vet school, but again I wouldn't freak out about it, especially if you really really think that SA is really for you. Yes people do change, but an equal or greater proportion of people stick fairly closely to what they originally planned on working with. There is often a decent decline in grades/class attendence for the non-SA units b/c all LA people pretty much do need to know the nuts and bolts of SA, but SA people who don't plan to touch a cow or a horse for the rest of their life really don't need the LA units (except for boards info).


I just heard a lecture yesterday about a vet who planned on working on dairy cattle, and ended up being the leading hollywood vet for movie sets...so from being at vet school for only a few short weeks, the one piece of advice i can give pre vets is keep your options open! working with large animals is really fun! and, the more varied experience you have,

I don't think I know a single vet who has worked at the same practice from right out of school and I know several who have switched feilds, but none of the switches was from SA to LA.

Many of the switches happened b/c of economic/job stability concerns. Usually this means a move from SA to something more corporate or industry. I personally know switches from SA to research, lab animal, pet food products, and teaching. In a lot of these cases the switch ws made b/c they needed a less demanding job (time wise) and better medical for their kids. I think the person I knew at Iams worked 3 days a week. The people I knew who went into teaching did so (and one has a set plan to do so) so that they could send their kids through school for free. People commonly move from LA to SA b/c as they got older and/or experienced various medical problems they really didn't have the strength or stamina to do LA anymore. I also know a few people that were basically forced from LA to SA b/c a LA crippled them.

The other reason people often switch around, usually within LA and usually with cattle, is b/c of regional changes in the industry. I know someone that did dairy for years (until all the daries shut down), then beef until there were not more of them also, and now does FDA meat inspection (He admitted that part of the change there was also related to better benefits, regular hours, and more time with kids)

the better your app looks. so moonpaw, don't get it into your head that cats and dogs are the only animals you should have experience with! you (usually) need to be much more varied than that to have a chance at getting in.

Again, everyone says this and I'm not sure how true it really is. There probably are some univeristies...especially those in less-rural areas that really want people that plan to do LA, simply b/c the majority of their applications are more SA oriented already. In someplace like TX/OK/KS etc. wanting to do LA is much more common simply b/c these are the states where all the LAs are and more of the applicants grew up with them and want to work with them.

DVM'08 (who FYI who almost always disagrees with me) will advocate playing the adcom system and telling them whatever they want to hear. That's obviously your choice, but like I said, I'm really not convinced, at least for every school, that having LA xp really sets you apart.

Again, it would be good if you knew how to get around horses and cows but if you can't the vet school does understand this and they will teach you. Yes, if they tell you to grab the Angus bull and you bring them a Holstein cow with it's halter on upside down, they will laugh at you. If you call all chestnut and bay horses "brown" and lead a horse on his right side, people will laugh at you. These aren't mean laughs, just people acknowledging that you're proabably going to be the person that takes care of their dogs and cats.

If you weren't brought up with LAs in your life, you're not going to know as much as those that did. Additionally there is a whole horse-people and cow-people culture (and an alpaca-people culture, and a swine-people cutlures etc etc)....lol and the cow-people cutlure is really different b/w dairy and beef. I'm not saying that there isn't a SA-people culture, just that most people have already been exposed to it.

I hope that helps/clarifies.
 
Again, it would be good if you knew how to get around horses and cows but if you can't the vet school does understand this and they will teach you. Yes, if they tell you to grab the Angus bull and you bring them a Holstein cow with it's halter on upside down, they will laugh at you. If you call all chestnut and bay horses "brown" and lead a horse on his right side, people will laugh at you. These aren't mean laughs, just people acknowledging that you're proabably going to be the person that takes care of their dogs and cats.

I agree. The SA people I have the most respect for are the ones who will stand up and say "I don't know a thing about horses/cattle/etc. but I'm going to get in there and try and I will laugh too." I am LA with little SA experience, so I'm sure the first time I try to do anything with a dog it will be funny too. I joined a couple of SA clubs so I can participate in wet labs, etc. There are alot of people who get in with only SA or only LA experience, and there are opportunities to learn about the "other side" while in vet school.
 
"but like I said, I'm really not convinced, at least for every school, that having LA xp really sets you apart."

I disagree. At least for Davis (my in-state) which does track, they want you to have a broad range of experience. I know one vet who had 8 years SA hospital exp, and was rejected on her first application because she had no LA exp. Granted, she's been in practice for a while, but I think they definitely want to see that you've explored different areas of vet med, be it LA, wildlife, shelter, specialist, ECC, etc. Here at Davis (I'm currently a senior undergrad), we have the Vet Aide Club, where we can do internships at the vet med teaching hospital. So I spent two quarters getting my feet wet in equine medicine. I really learned a ***ton*** from the internship, and it gave me a totally different perspective on vet med compared to SA.

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