If you have a psych unit at your hospital, what's their approach towards violent psych pts? What qualifies as too violent for admission? Can a historically violent pt refuse medication while on involuntary commitment?
We had an awful pissing match with the crisis worker at my hospital last night about our floridly manic pt being too violent for admission. When asked why the cops and EMS brought him in 4-pointed he stated "I smoked some sick weed then went to 7-11 and **** went down". Other people describe the events as he got naked, physically assaulted 3 innocent people at the 7-11 stating he was a genius priest who knew what was best for them, then jumped on top of the squad when it pulled up and had to be tazed 3 times before he was subdued. Both accounts are probably accurate . Anyhow, this all happened cause he needs in pt stabilization of his bipolar disorder. He doesn't belong in jail yet. Crisis refused him on the grounds that he's too violent. We said he's not violent after geodon. They said he can refuse his meds and they won't take him. He's uninsured so even if there is another unit/hospital that could take him there's no hope of getting him a bed. Long story short, multiple psychiatrists and supervisors were contacted by both us and the crisis worker and the whole ordeal ended with the chief of psychiatry re-evaluating the pt this morning for either medical clearance for jail or admission to our unit. We refused to medically clear him, he took up a bed in our ED all night, I left at 330 this morn and still don't know the final outcome. This was such a dissatisfying experience. I still need to do some reading about how this works in the eyes of the law and ability of pts to refuse meds here in my state, but I'm curious about others experiences with this.
We had an awful pissing match with the crisis worker at my hospital last night about our floridly manic pt being too violent for admission. When asked why the cops and EMS brought him in 4-pointed he stated "I smoked some sick weed then went to 7-11 and **** went down". Other people describe the events as he got naked, physically assaulted 3 innocent people at the 7-11 stating he was a genius priest who knew what was best for them, then jumped on top of the squad when it pulled up and had to be tazed 3 times before he was subdued. Both accounts are probably accurate . Anyhow, this all happened cause he needs in pt stabilization of his bipolar disorder. He doesn't belong in jail yet. Crisis refused him on the grounds that he's too violent. We said he's not violent after geodon. They said he can refuse his meds and they won't take him. He's uninsured so even if there is another unit/hospital that could take him there's no hope of getting him a bed. Long story short, multiple psychiatrists and supervisors were contacted by both us and the crisis worker and the whole ordeal ended with the chief of psychiatry re-evaluating the pt this morning for either medical clearance for jail or admission to our unit. We refused to medically clear him, he took up a bed in our ED all night, I left at 330 this morn and still don't know the final outcome. This was such a dissatisfying experience. I still need to do some reading about how this works in the eyes of the law and ability of pts to refuse meds here in my state, but I'm curious about others experiences with this.