wamc? good gpa avg/lower dat

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I have a 3.88 GPA, 460 AA/460 TS/ 480 Reading/400 PAT. I am really worried about my PAT score- should i retake?

I’m ORM, big underserved focus worked in free clinic and with special needs kids, big research focus (1 publication)

Double major in Biochemistry and Computer science

Also please recommend schools to apply to im a AL resident so have applied there idk where else or should wait till i retake?
 
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Date of submission: verified 7/15 submitted end of July

Overall GPA: 3.9

Science GPA: 3.8

Bio-Chem-Physics GPA: 3.8

DAT score (include AA and all sections): 460 AA/460 TS/400 PAT (very worried about this)/ 480 Reading/ 450 QR/ 480 OC/440 GC/460 Biology

State of Residence: AL



Major: computer science and chemistry

Minority? ORM

Reapplicant? no

Nontrad? no

Shadowing Experience: 150+ all general

Volunteering Experience: free food deliveries, free clinic, special needs kids, hospice, hospital ER

Employment: tutor and chem TA

Research: 700 psychology research: 1 publication 1 poster presentation

Other Extracurriculars: president of club of special needs kids volunteer

Have you volunteered/shadowed/attended events at any dental schools? no

Relevant Honors or Awards:

LOR type and strength: 2 science prof, 1 dentist, 1 personal

Misc Info/Things not stated elsewhere/Red Flags: none

School list:

uab

dcg

midwestern-az

buffalo

UTHSC

MUSC

kentucky

maryland

temple

UPenn

Tufts

Michigan

Roseman

LECOM

Nova

had some more i forgot
 
400 PAT is not an issue...

Date of submission: verified 7/15 submitted end of July

Overall GPA: 3.9

Science GPA: 3.8

Bio-Chem-Physics GPA: 3.8

DAT score (include AA and all sections): 460 AA/460 TS/400 PAT (very worried about this)/ 480 Reading/ 450 QR/ 480 OC/440 GC/460 Biology

State of Residence: AL



Major: computer science and chemistry

Minority? ORM

Reapplicant? no

Nontrad? no

Shadowing Experience: 150+ all general

Volunteering Experience: free food deliveries, free clinic, special needs kids, hospice, hospital ER

Employment: tutor and chem TA

Research: 700 psychology research: 1 publication 1 poster presentation

Other Extracurriculars: president of club of special needs kids volunteer

Have you volunteered/shadowed/attended events at any dental schools? no

Relevant Honors or Awards:

LOR type and strength: 2 science prof, 1 dentist, 1 personal

Misc Info/Things not stated elsewhere/Red Flags: none

School list:

uab

dcg

midwestern-az

buffalo

UTHSC

MUSC

kentucky

maryland

temple

UPenn

Tufts

Michigan

Roseman

LECOM

Nova

had some more i forgot
 
Your list is too long including schools outside the South region (why do you want to live in Utah, for example). Have you attended any recruitment events at dental schools or the ADEA fairs (virtual or in-person)? What advice have you gotten from predental advisors or peers?
 
Your list is too long including schools outside the South region (why do you want to live in Utah, for example). Have you attended any recruitment events at dental schools or the ADEA fairs (virtual or in-person)? What advice have you gotten from predental advisors or peers?
i feel like i’m just randomly applying atp. do you think i should retake. i’ve never gone to recruitment events, advisors, etc.

i’ve seen on reddit people say applying broadly gives better chances but idk
 
i feel like i’m just randomly applying atp. do you think i should retake. i’ve never gone to recruitment events, advisors, etc.

i’ve seen on reddit people say applying broadly gives better chances but idk
There is the concept of return on investment. Sure, you can apply to all 75 dental schools, but how much money is that if you wind up with 1 or 2 interviews? More importantly, even if you got 10 interviews, can you afford going to them? Then there's the tuition deposit if you get an offer... This is why we tell applicants that 10 schools is about the right number (certainly not more than 20; this isn't undergrad or med school). Most applicants usually get 1 interview and thus one shot at an offer, and the ratio of applicants to spots is roughly 2 to 1 so your chances are decent, but you have to choose the program that sets you up for success.

The game is not about racking up interviews; it's getting into and starting your career in dentistry with as little debt as possible if you want to ultimately own or be a major partner in your own practice.

Reddit is -- in the words of other SDN experts -- the cesspool of the internet. We're more like "Shark Tank." 🙂

It sounds like you don't have strong predental advising or have people helping you with the process. Did you read our resource:
Did you check out our resource Home | DDSapplicants.com ?

Have you connected with current dental students through ASDA or SNDA (including social media to individual school chapters)?

Dental admissions tends to favor geography, and being an Alabama resident, you should apply to UAB as your in-state option.

Check the OOS characteristics of schools around you, especially public schools like DCG, UTHSC, or UMMS. You'll see the probabilities of admitting out-of-state applicants (including which states in their most recent entering class). The challenge with Southern applicants is that you don't have many private options near you (for the moment); Lyon is a new private in Arkansas, but I'm wary of asking applicants to be guinea pigs for new dental school curricula unless you have a very strong mission fit to that school (you want to serve rural Arkansas patients).

Look at the ADEA Dental School Explorer (DSE) for the DAT ranges; I have to see if they have converted to three-digit scores now, but I suspect the Ivy+ schools on your list tend to want higher DAT scores. That doesn't mean they won't consider you, but you have to show you have a strong affinity for the education you would get at Penn, Columbia, or Harvard (including taking preclinical classes with medical students). Of course, dental schools are beginning to set aside operatories for pediatric patients, including special needs patients. Is that something you want more exposure as a dental student?


To your list, why do you want to go to
UBuffalo?
Roseman?
Midwestern Arizona?
Kentucky?
Maryland?
Michigan?
 
There is the concept of return on investment. Sure, you can apply to all 75 dental schools, but how much money is that if you wind up with 1 or 2 interviews? More importantly, even if you got 10 interviews, can you afford going to them? Then there's the tuition deposit if you get an offer... This is why we tell applicants that 10 schools is about the right number (certainly not more than 20; this isn't undergrad or med school). Most applicants usually get 1 interview and thus one shot at an offer, and the ratio of applicants to spots is roughly 2 to 1 so your chances are decent, but you have to choose the program that sets you up for success.

The game is not about racking up interviews; it's getting into and starting your career in dentistry with as little debt as possible if you want to ultimately own or be a major partner in your own practice.

Reddit is -- in the words of other SDN experts -- the cesspool of the internet. We're more like "Shark Tank." 🙂

It sounds like you don't have strong predental advising or have people helping you with the process. Did you read our resource:
Did you check out our resource Home | DDSapplicants.com ?

Have you connected with current dental students through ASDA or SNDA (including social media to individual school chapters)?

Dental admissions tends to favor geography, and being an Alabama resident, you should apply to UAB as your in-state option.

Check the OOS characteristics of schools around you, especially public schools like DCG, UTHSC, or UMMS. You'll see the probabilities of admitting out-of-state applicants (including which states in their most recent entering class). The challenge with Southern applicants is that you don't have many private options near you (for the moment); Lyon is a new private in Arkansas, but I'm wary of asking applicants to be guinea pigs for new dental school curricula unless you have a very strong mission fit to that school (you want to serve rural Arkansas patients).

Look at the ADEA Dental School Explorer (DSE) for the DAT ranges; I have to see if they have converted to three-digit scores now, but I suspect the Ivy+ schools on your list tend to want higher DAT scores. That doesn't mean they won't consider you, but you have to show you have a strong affinity for the education you would get at Penn, Columbia, or Harvard (including taking preclinical classes with medical students). Of course, dental schools are beginning to set aside operatories for pediatric patients, including special needs patients. Is that something you want more exposure as a dental student?


To your list, why do you want to go to
UBuffalo?
Roseman?
Midwestern Arizona?
Kentucky?
Maryland?
Michigan?
the first 5 are near me kind of. michigan bc of research.

is my score worth retaking or is it good enough. the only ivy i’m applying to is upenn bc of research
 
the first 5 are near me kind of. michigan bc of research.

is my score worth retaking or is it good enough. the only ivy i’m applying to is upenn bc of research
Could you expand on your research? You describe it as psychology research but you majored in chemistry/comp sci.

If you want to do research, have you checked out what schools are represented at AADR/IADR meetings? Have you worked with NIDCR-funded labs?
 
Could you expand on your research? You describe it as psychology research but you majored in chemistry/comp sci.

If you want to do research, have you checked out what schools are represented at AADR/IADR meetings? Have you worked with NIDCR-funded labs?
i’m a chemistry and computer science double major. i did a psychology lab at my college i accumulated 700 hours and a publication. i haven’t researched much i just heard it’s rly about dat and gpa and i thought mine was competitive
 
i’m a chemistry and computer science double major. i did a psychology lab at my college i accumulated 700 hours and a publication. i haven’t researched much i just heard it’s rly about dat and gpa and i thought mine was competitive
That's why I asked about what advice you had received from your prehealth/predental advisors, your dentist references, or current dental students/admissions professionals. I don't have your actual AADSAS application (which would include letters) to address your actual competitiveness, but everyone in dental admissions will tell you that they do holistic admissions (more than just your GPA and DAT). We've seen plenty of high-metrics candidates fail in dental school.
 
That's why I asked about what advice you had received from your prehealth/predental advisors, your dentist references, or current dental students/admissions professionals. I don't have your actual AADSAS application (which would include letters) to address your actual competitiveness, but everyone in dental admissions will tell you that they do holistic admissions (more than just your GPA and DAT). We've seen plenty of high-metrics candidates fail in dental school.
ok but based on everything (EC, stats, etc) do i have a good shot? is there anything i can improve on such as GPA, EC, DAT? i know im not super educated on the admissions stuff but i started dental in early june
 
ok but based on everything (EC, stats, etc) do i have a good shot? is there anything i can improve on such as GPA, EC, DAT? i know im not super educated on the admissions stuff but i started dental in early june
june as in less than 2 months ago?
 
june as in less than 2 months ago?
yes i studied very quickly and took the test accumulated shadowing and LOR in the meantime applied recently. i had volunteering and other stuff from my previous years
 
yes i studied very quickly and took the test accumulated shadowing and LOR in the meantime applied recently. i had volunteering and other stuff from my previous years
were you premed?
 
yeaa realized i was idealizing medicine and just trying to please my dad
oh
the late change may be an issue at some schools, but it is hard to predict
your list is long and broad and you have great stats, so hopefully you will be ok...
 
oh
the late change may be an issue at some schools, but it is hard to predict
your list is long and broad and you have great stats, so hopefully you will be ok...
i’m not gonna tell them i switched lol i’m not writing anything premed wise and relating all my activities to dentistry
 
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