WAMC / rate school list / apply next cycle?

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What should I do?

  • This year, school list is fine

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  • This year, change school list

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  • Next year, school list will be fine

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Next year, change school list

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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A little unorthodox WAMC post, possibly, so please don't mind (format will remain same just need a bit of exposition as well lol). I'm currently going through the "cold feet" phase of the application process. About 5-6 months ago (maybe?), I posted a similar thread after receiving my MCAT score to get feedback on which schools I should target. Since then, I've continued to gain more experience in the positions I did hold and have taken on a few additional opportunities that I previously did not know I was going to undertake so I'm looking to get some more updated feedback regarding everything. Specifically, I'm looking for advice on whether my current school list looks appropriate for this application cycle, or if I should make any adjustments adding/deleting some. Further, I’m considering adding an extra gap year, making it three total instead of two, and am looking for feedback on how substantial this may end up looking for my app based on the increases I will outline, and if this makes my app more suitable for the admittedly top heavy list I am planning on using. My hesitancies come from the fact that I had kinda limited research in undergrad (only a few semesters totaling 100ish hours maybe 150 or so) and so in my gap years I was always planning on becoming a CRC, however after spending until October to study for the MCAT while working part time in my CNA role after graduating last June, and then working full time as a CNA while I looked for openings, I have only started said research job last month and will only have about 5 months (600 hours) of experience by the time June comes around as opposed to what I was planning to be much closer to a year's time in the position. Last week is when I really started considering how much better a longer term commitment would look, as I don't want it to just look as though I picked this up to check a box right before apps open and know that sustained responsibility always bodes well in any role you plan on speaking about, not to mention the capacity for a poster presentation that is being planned for the summer (maybe an update letter would quench this?) and a stronger LOR. To add, since I have moved to the city where I am working, I came across a very fulfilling volunteer gig with children who have gone through abuse and neglect, serving as a mentor and advocate for them in the court system. I love it, and plan on maybe using it as one of my most important experiences (writing about in PS) but the same issue arises where I have only been doing it a couple months now (started *slightly* before my first day as a coordinator) and am sure it could help to have not just the increased amount of time, but very likely also more to speak to in the year I would of course continue. Finally, I had a little hiccup of a first semester (see below) and feel like the extra year of distancing myself from it could give adcoms more alleviation in seeing growth since then and maintaining a good professional life beyond my school recovery. Idk. I get caught between enjoying the process and not minding taking more time if it will land me somewhere I really want to be versus wanting to go to school already and start this process, feeling like I'm falling behind. So needless to say, I'm just on the fence lol. TLDR: might take an extra gap year to bolster research and nonclinical volunteering as well as distancing myself from bad grade red flag given the school list I want to use but not sure if it is worth giving up the year of attending salary down the line. Increases in experiences I would gain with said year are bolded with arrows below in what will be my app for this year (still please read the above if you have time lol).


1. Stats

521 MCAT (129, 130, 130, 132)
3.82 cGPA w/ significant upward trend (note below on cGPA/sGPA discrepancy as a Bio major w/ majority science courses on transcript)
4.0 sGPA

Incomplete (counting as F equivalent) grade in random humanities course from my freshman year due to a health crisis that caused a hospital stay during the final; no access to phone for weeks during stay and transfer to other school that had been completed by time of release in conjunction with professor going back to home country for the winter meant yeah - communication to resolve was not ideal; first gen college student who did not know how to navigate this situation (thought from what communication I did have with my professor after that the course would be a "W", had no idea what an incomplete even was) meant time to make up final in timely manner had come and gone without my knowing; subsequent appeal was denied --> writing about this in my academic missteps section with steps of how I have improved since and what the lesson taught me and hoping my grades and mcat since show tangible growth that can give me grace with lower gpa. Only ever hiccup besides one other B (also first semester freshman year humanities) - every single other grade in all 35-40+ classes since that very first semester have been A's. Believe me I know that I was naïve and dumb and I kick myself for it a ton even 5 years later but what can you do. Anyways that is enough of that, still a **** up that I am holding but not sure if this maybe changes viewing of the gpa as opposed to just poor performance.

2. Ethnicity White ORM

3. Institution UMass Amherst

4. Clinical Work

2000 hours dementia unit nursing home CNA (2022-2024)
800 hours physical therapy aide (2021-2023)
300 hours emergency department volunteer aide (2021-2023, 2025-present) --> 450 hours next cycle

5. Research

600 hours research coordinator in Parkinson's Dementia MGH (2025-present) --> 2600 hours next cycle + 1 guaranteed poster presentation
100 hours undergraduate research assistant (2022-2023)

6. Shadowing

50 hours neurology --> 100-150 hours (shadow my PI weekly for a few hours)
25 emergency --> 75 hours (can either continue at current rate with ER doc or perhaps ask for additional specialty)

7. Non-clinical volunteering

250 hours underserved volunteer with inner city Boston kids (2023-present) --> 400 hours
75 hours as an appointed mentor and advocate for kids navigating court system w/ family history of abuse/neglect/etc. (2025-present) --> 300 hours
150 hours youth soccer coach (2020 - 2022, 2024)
100 hours Alzheimer's dementia activity support volunteer (2021-2023)


8. Other

1250(ish) hours Pre-school teacher’s aide (2018-2021)
250 hours MCAT tutoring for established third party company (2025-present) --> 1000 hours
100 hours semesters E-board for underserved medicine integration club (2021-2023)
Recreational band lead singer (1000+ hours if important)
Soccer / Arsenal podcast content creator (100+ hours if important)

Extra if it matters; Have a cohesive narrative in my app about dementia (family history and early exposure in life, worked as a CNA, now doing research on it, having done volunteer work with similar populations).


School List: UMass (first choice), BU, Tufts, Harvard, UVM, Brown, Dartmouth, Yale, Thomas Jefferson, Pitt, Penn, Drexel, Sinai, Cornell, Einstein, Rochester, Hofstra, NYU, Columbia, Duke, Emory, WashU, Cincinnati, Uchicago, Northwestern, CWRU, Mayo, Hopkins, Georgetown, Vanderbilt, UMiami, USF, UMich, UVA, Ohio State, Colorado, UCLA, UCSF


Answers to the poll and/or any feedback is **greatly** appreciated. Sincerely - a stressed out premed student.
 
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You are obsessing too much about that one bad grade. That is NOT a red flag. A red flag would be a conviction for a misdemeanor or felony or an institutional action such as cheating. You are fine to apply in June and I suggest these schools with your MCAT of 521 and a cGPA of 3.82 and a sGPA of 4.0 .
UMass
Boston University
Tufts
Harvard
Dartmouth
Brown
Yale
UVM
Hofstra
Einstein (free tuition)
Mount Sinai
Columbia
Cornell
Rochester
NYU (free tuition)
Jefferson
Pittsburgh
UPenn
Johns Hopkins (free tuition)
Georgetown
Case Western
Ohio State
U Virginia
Duke
Emory
USF Morsani
Vanderbilt
Washington University
Northwestern
U Chicago
U Michigan
Mayo
UCSF
 
You are obsessing too much about that one bad grade. That is NOT a red flag. A red flag would be a conviction for a misdemeanor or felony or an institutional action such as cheating. You are fine to apply in June and I suggest these schools with your MCAT of 521 and a cGPA of 3.82 and a sGPA of 4.0 .
UMass
Boston University
Tufts
Harvard
Dartmouth
Brown
Yale
UVM
Hofstra
Einstein (free tuition)
Mount Sinai
Columbia
Cornell
Rochester
NYU (free tuition)
Jefferson
Pittsburgh
UPenn
Johns Hopkins (free tuition)
Georgetown
Case Western
Ohio State
U Virginia
Duke
Emory
USF Morsani
Vanderbilt
Washington University
Northwestern
U Chicago
U Michigan
Mayo
UCSF
Thank you for the response. Just wondering, is there any reason why no Drexel, Miami, Cincinnati? I can understand dropping UCLA as I’ve seen their standard admittance criteria, and I may be underestimating Colorado OOS acceptances. Thanks again!
 
Thank you for the response. Just wondering, is there any reason why no Drexel, Miami, Cincinnati? I can understand dropping UCLA as I’ve seen their standard admittance criteria, and I may be underestimating Colorado OOS acceptances. Thanks again!

Drexel will probably "yield protect" with your stats. You can add Miami, Cincinnati and Colorado but applying to more than 30-35 schools is time consuming and difficult to complete that many secondaries of high quality.
 
Context: Have posted a WAMC post before and have gotten feedback but am returning with an extra question that has come up regarding AO GPA. Full application will be included below to easily refer to as needed.

Despite most key resources focusing on sGPA and cGPA (like MSAR, AAMC Admissions Tables, med school websites, and even SDN WAMC posts where those numbers are required), AMCAS does of course report AO GPA as well, of which I’ve run into a pretty significant discrepancy.

This issue stems from my first semester, when I had an incomplete that was eventually resolved as an F (story below which I aim to better contextualize in secondaries), along with a B-. I later took a few courses pass/fail during the COVID period; no prereqs but rather stuff like a dancing class, Spanish, and an astronomy course. While I’ve earned a 4.0 over my last ~115 credits—and my sGPA and cGPA clearly reflect that trend—the AO GPA remains disproportionately low. Most of my later academic work has been science-heavy as I had to prioritize to finish my major and minor requirements (both science).


I’m trying to better understand what this means for my school list. I’ve received some feedback already, but I still wonder if this will stand out as a major concern for schools? I know it’s not a red flag in the traditional sense, but I’m curious if it could lead to being filtered out at certain programs before my full story gets considered.



Okay full app anyways with that in mind (slightly refined from my last post where some numbers were more projected for what they would be by now):

521 MCAT (129, 130, 130, 132)
3.82 cGPA w/ significant upward trend (note below on cGPA/sGPA discrepancy as a Bio major w/ majority science courses on transcript)
4.0 sGPA
3.4 AO (included for reasoning above)

Extra context behind screw up: Incomplete (counting as F equivalent) grade in random humanities course from my freshman year due to a health crisis that caused a hospital stay during the final; no access to phone for weeks during stay and transfer to other school that had been completed by time of release in conjunction with professor going back to home country for the winter meant yeah - communication to resolve was not ideal; first gen college student who did not know how to navigate this situation (thought from what communication I did have with my professor after that the course would be a "W", had no idea what an incomplete even was) meant time to make up final in timely manner had come and gone without my knowing; subsequent appeal was denied --> will fully contextualize in secondaries with steps of how I have improved since and what the lesson taught me and hoping my grades and mcat since show tangible growth that can give me grace with lower gpa; debating writing about this in extra considerations section of primary to get ahead of concerns (although i am still grappling with myself as I know I don't want to focus on red flags). Only ever hiccup besides one other B (also first semester freshman year humanities) - every single other grade in all 35-40+ classes since that very first semester have been A's, with the exception of a couple taken pass/fail over Covid (like astronomy and food science not prereqs). Believe me I know that I was naïve and dumb and I kick myself for it a ton even 5 years later but what can you do. Anyways that is enough of that, still a **** up that I am holding but not sure if this maybe changes viewing of the gpa as opposed to just poor performance.

2. Ethnicity White ORM

3. Institution UMass Amherst

4. Clinical Work

2000 hours dementia unit nursing home CNA (2022-2024)
800 hours physical therapy aide (2021-2023)
200 hours emergency department volunteer aide (2021-2023, 2025-present)

5. Research

700-800 hours research coordinator in Parkinson's Dementia MGH (2025-present) --> 2700 hours + 1 guaranteed poster presentation by matriculation
100 hours undergraduate research assistant (2022-2023)

6. Shadowing

50 hours neurology w/ PI
30 hours primary care

7. Non-clinical volunteering

250 hours underserved volunteer academic mentor with inner city Boston kids (2023-present) --> 350 hours by matriculation
125 hours as an appointed mentor/advocate for kids navigating court system w/ family history of abuse/neglect/etc. (2024-present) --> 300 hours by matriculation
150 hours youth soccer coach (2020 - 2022, 2024)
200 hours Alzheimer's dementia music activity support volunteer (2021-2023)


8. Other

1750(ish) hours Pre-school teacher’s aide (2018-2021)
250 hours MCAT tutoring for established third party company (2025-present) --> 750-1000(?) hours by matriculation
100 hours semesters E-board for underserved medicine integration club (2021-2023)
Recreational band lead singer (1000+ hours if important)
Soccer / Arsenal podcast content creator (100+ hours if important)

Extra if it matters; Have a cohesive narrative in my app about dementia (family history and early exposure in life, worked as a CNA, now doing research on it, having done volunteer work with similar populations).


School List: UMass (first choice), BU, Tufts, Harvard, UVM, Brown, Dartmouth, Yale, Thomas Jefferson, Pitt, Penn, Drexel, Sinai, Cornell, Einstein, Rochester, Hofstra, Stony Brook, NYU, Columbia, Duke, Emory, WashU, Cincinnati, Uchicago, Northwestern, CWRU, Mayo, Hopkins, Georgetown, Vanderbilt, UMiami, USF, UMich, UCSF
 
I'll give you credit for the legal advocacy for children, but with your metrics and list, you need to get up to 250 hours to keep pace with other high-metrics applicants. Otherwise, a solid application profile from what I can see, and I hope you will get a fair amount of attention!
 
I'll give you credit for the legal advocacy for children, but with your metrics and list, you need to get up to 250 hours to keep pace with other high-metrics applicants. Otherwise, a solid application profile from what I can see, and I hope you will get a fair amount of attention!
Thank you - definitely going to try to squeeze in as much time as possible between now and the time my app is verified / reviewed to increase those reported hours, and definitely more by any interviews to have as much as possible to speak about. It is one of my most significant despite only doing it a little over a year now!

May be overthinking it, but do you make anything of the AO GPA I will have that I expressed concern about?
 
Nobody will care about one F (not likely anyone will even notice). If you feel you must explain it, you can say that you experienced a medical issue leading to hospitalization and missed deadlines for completing the course. Honestly, I think you are better off not calling attention to it at all.
 
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