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~ I am a TX resident, but I am really trying to go out of state. The issue is, the only way to justify (to myself and to my parents) not paying that texas tuition is to go to a T20 medical school. Also my longtime girlfriend will be in dental school in NYC, so I would really like to be closer to her. I love Texas, but I want to get out of here for a bit. How can I market my application to tell adcoms: hey, if you extend me an offer, I will not pick Texas over you!

Demographics: TX ORM 21M, trad applicant, no gap year, no IAs/red flags, BS Neuroscience/BA Asian Studies, T20 undergrad

Stats: 3.92 GPA / 3.88 sGPA, 520 MCAT

Research: (1300 hours)
  • 100 hours on a side project presented at a small conference
  • 200 hours in a neurology lab, 2 manuscripts in submission for publication soon
  • 500 hours in a psych research lab, 1 poster at small undergrad, 1 poster at national conference
  • 500 hours in a wet lab, just 2 small posters at my undergrad
+ will do 8 weeks of full time research at international cancer institute this summer (300+ hours soon), will conduct my own project

This and my stats [yes, I know they are high but I am ORM trying to apply T20, I am obnoxious yes] are definitely the weakest part of my application, hoping my strong leadership experiences can carry me. Struggled to get publications because I had so many interests and switched labs, should have stuck with one lab the whole time.

Clinical: (1050 hours)
  • 350 hours EMT during summer job after freshman year
  • 400 hours scribing at family med clinic, predominantly Vietnamese and Spanish speaking patients, summer job while studying for MCAT
  • 150 hours shadowing (EM, Psychiatry, Family Med, Vascular neurology, Radiology)
  • 50 hours clinical volunteering at healthcare for unhoused
  • 100 hours clinical volunteering at a hospital

Nonclinical Volunteering: (600 hours)
  • 50 hours at a small nonprofit that works with aphasia patients
  • 50 hours for a club teaching neuroscience to youth
  • 500 hours as a camp counselor for week long summer camp (24/7 x 3 years in a row)
  • 20 hours organizing exercise classes in local neighborhood with my run club
Leadership: (2000 hours)
  • 300 hours as a founder and president of an undergrad volunteering club, probably my proudest achievement 🙂
  • 200 hours as a committee coordinator for the same summer camp club^^
  • 200 hours as a founder and president of a university run club, received funding to introduce running/fitness to underserved neighborhoods
  • 250 hours as a TA for lab course (3 semesters), became head TA this Spring
  • 200 hours as a leader for an undergrad summer program
  • 500 hours as an orientation leader for my university's orientation week program (24/7 x 3 years in a row)
  • 200 hours in various roles at my residential dorm
    • Class representative, student government parliamentarian, coordinator for "events week", captain of my college's team
  • 50 hours as a caregiver at university sanctioned parties
Definitely the strongest part of my application.

LORs: I have 8 lol, I know too many, but my premed committee let's me submit 6, and I'll submit the other 2 to schools. But I have 8 because I genuinely have built very strong relationships with all these people. Here are my letters in submission. I

1) Will get an INSANE letter from the faculty advisor for my undergrad volunteering club, HMS grad and director of a major medical team
2) Will get an INSANE letter from the family med doctor I worked for, I also shadowed him in ED (he's lowkey letting me write it)
3) Will get a VERY STRONG letter from my PI, we are super tight, I have deadass gone on bike rides with him because we love biking
4) Will get a GOOD letter from my *university president. We aren't tight, but he's come to my run club and knows that I'm super involved in my undergrad community
5) Will get a VERY STRONG letter from my science prof, I took 3 of her classes (all A's) and TA'd for her 3 semesteres
6) Will get a GOOD letter from my neuro department chair, I took his research course 3 times and have worked with him to promote my undergrad volunteer club
7) Will get a VERY STRONG letter from a science prof I TA'd for, we are super tight, I deadass go to happy hour with him sometimes
8) Will get a VERY STRONG letter from my Arabic professor, his classes are super small and we spend a lot of time together and I will spend the summer with him, too

*Should I include this in my letter packet (which only takes top 6 letters?) I think at the very least his letter for me will be good, it could be very strong as he rarely writes letters of rec, but not sure. However, he is the damn university president, so at what point does prestige lose out to a personalized letter?

Other: (1400 hours)
  • 1000 hours learning Arabic, something I am super passionate about, will do a 6-week study abroad this summer
  • 150 hours learning Spanish, partially fluent from high school education
  • 100 hours as a member of a band, lead singer and guitarist
  • 100 hours intramural soccer, might not seem important, but I treat this **** like the world cup
  • 50 hours in a cultural club, I did a dance routine!
  • Fluent in Vietnamese, partially fluent in Arabic and Spanish (hoping to be fluent in Arabic by the end of summer)

School List:
TMDSAS: UTSW, Baylor, Dell, UTMB, Texas A&M, UT San Antonio, McGovern, TT El Paso

AMCAS: Harvard, Hopkins, Stanford, Penn, Duke, UCSF, Columbia, Yale, WashU, NYU, Vanderbilt, Mayo Clinic, Michigan, Cornell, Northwestern, UPitt, Emory, Mt Sinai, UChicago, UCLA, CWRU/Cleveland Clinic, UCSD, USC, UVA, Brown, Boston, Albert Einstein, Dartmouth, Hofstra
 
Welcome to the forums.

I am a TX resident, but I am really trying to go out of state. The issue is, the only way to justify (to myself and to my parents) not paying that texas tuition is to go to a T20 medical school. Also my longtime girlfriend will be in dental school in NYC, so I would really like to be closer to her. I love Texas, but I want to get out of here for a bit. How can I market my application to tell adcoms: hey, if you extend me an offer, I will not pick Texas over you!

Did you attend the AAMC/AMCAS Virtual Fair? Have you attended any recruitment events the schools host (online)? Have you connected with student leaders in AMSA, SNMA, AMMSA, and APAMSA?

How serious is your relationship with your girlfriend? Are we talking dates yet?

If you don't want to stay in Texas, don't apply to TMDSAS. Focus solely on your AMCAS schools if you are serious and don't feel like you need a safety net. You have compiled an intimidating list, and you seem confident you can break through the odds. What do your prehealth advisors (committee) think?
 
Thank you for your feedback and advice, it definitely helps.

1) I have not done any of those. Frankly, did not know they existed but will definitely keep them on my radar. Thanks!

2) Pretty serious, it's been about a year and a half now. Definitely plan to visit no matter what part of the country I am in, but would definitely be easier if I was also in the northeast.

3) This is my conundrum. I don't want to stay in Texas, but I am not sure if I can confidently say I get into a T15 school (med admissions seems like a crapshoot sometimes). I say T15 now since UTSW and BCM are basically ranked about #20, and I am confident I can get into at least one of those schools given my stats and the IS bias. I think I still have to apply TMDSAS unfortunately...I haven't been able to talk to my prehealth advising committee. I will try.
 
Thank you for your feedback and advice, it definitely helps.

1) I have not done any of those. Frankly, did not know they existed but will definitely keep them on my radar. Thanks!

2) Pretty serious, it's been about a year and a half now. Definitely plan to visit no matter what part of the country I am in, but would definitely be easier if I was also in the northeast.

3) This is my conundrum. I don't want to stay in Texas, but I am not sure if I can confidently say I get into a T15 school (med admissions seems like a crapshoot sometimes). I say T15 now since UTSW and BCM are basically ranked about #20, and I am confident I can get into at least one of those schools given my stats and the IS bias. I think I still have to apply TMDSAS unfortunately...I haven't been able to talk to my prehealth advising committee. I will try.
You could just apply to the TMDSAS schools that are most competitive, leave off most of them that you wouldn’t prefer to an OOS school.
Be wary of applying to only top 20s though, you have a region you want so will have to include some midrange schools
 
If you want to be near your girlfriend then apply to schools in the NYC region. Let the schools know the reason you want to attend a NYC area school. You could include all these schools:
Hofstra
Einstein (free tuition)
NYU (free tuition)
Mount Sinai
Columbia
Cornell
Hackensack
New York Medical College
Quinnipiac
 
Bruh what don’t be dumb, apply to TX schools. UTSW or Baylor will probably bite. Although the letters are nice, I feel like everyone overestimates their letters. Check out Johnny Kim’s LOR written by Jocko for HMS, that is exceptional.

I think ur list is great. OOS T20s are def crapshoots but you should shoot your shot. Research is prob on the lower side and there aren’t really longitudinal things that you are doing which might raise an eyebrow.

I think if u have a cohesive theme, write well, and interview normally you will get in. Don’t stake it all on OOS T20s tho
 
Bruh what don’t be dumb, apply to TX schools. UTSW or Baylor will probably bite. Although the letters are nice, I feel like everyone overestimates their letters. Check out Johnny Kim’s LOR written by Jocko for HMS, that is exceptional.

I think ur list is great. OOS T20s are def crapshoots but you should shoot your shot. Research is prob on the lower side and there aren’t really longitudinal things that you are doing which might raise an eyebrow.

I think if u have a cohesive theme, write well, and interview normally you will get in. Don’t stake it all on OOS T20s tho
lmao im definitely applying TMDSAS i got it open rn actually.

appreciate the tips. one question though, could you clarify what you mean by "longitudinal things"?
 
The longer you spend doing one thing the bigger the impact you will have, which is what I feel is actually important instead of the hours. I feel your application does not have this benefit because your hours are scattered across so many things. It will also be tough to fit them all into AMCAS under description that won’t just be super vague because you only have 15 slots.

I’m not saying you aren’t competitive, but this may be something to keep in mind when applying.
 
~ I am a TX resident, but I am really trying to go out of state. The issue is, the only way to justify (to myself and to my parents) not paying that texas tuition is to go to a T20 medical school. Also my longtime girlfriend will be in dental school in NYC, so I would really like to be closer to her. I love Texas, but I want to get out of here for a bit. How can I market my application to tell adcoms: hey, if you extend me an offer, I will not pick Texas over you!

Demographics: TX ORM 21M, trad applicant, no gap year, no IAs/red flags, BS Neuroscience/BA Asian Studies, T20 undergrad

Stats: 3.92 GPA / 3.88 sGPA, 520 MCAT

Research: (1300 hours)
  • 100 hours on a side project presented at a small conference
  • 200 hours in a neurology lab, 2 manuscripts in submission for publication soon
  • 500 hours in a psych research lab, 1 poster at small undergrad, 1 poster at national conference
  • 500 hours in a wet lab, just 2 small posters at my undergrad
+ will do 8 weeks of full time research at international cancer institute this summer (300+ hours soon), will conduct my own project

This and my stats [yes, I know they are high but I am ORM trying to apply T20, I am obnoxious yes] are definitely the weakest part of my application, hoping my strong leadership experiences can carry me. Struggled to get publications because I had so many interests and switched labs, should have stuck with one lab the whole time.

Clinical: (1050 hours)
  • 350 hours EMT during summer job after freshman year
  • 400 hours scribing at family med clinic, predominantly Vietnamese and Spanish speaking patients, summer job while studying for MCAT
  • 150 hours shadowing (EM, Psychiatry, Family Med, Vascular neurology, Radiology)
  • 50 hours clinical volunteering at healthcare for unhoused
  • 100 hours clinical volunteering at a hospital

Nonclinical Volunteering: (600 hours)
  • 50 hours at a small nonprofit that works with aphasia patients
  • 50 hours for a club teaching neuroscience to youth
  • 500 hours as a camp counselor for week long summer camp (24/7 x 3 years in a row)
  • 20 hours organizing exercise classes in local neighborhood with my run club
Leadership: (2000 hours)
  • 300 hours as a founder and president of an undergrad volunteering club, probably my proudest achievement 🙂
  • 200 hours as a committee coordinator for the same summer camp club^^
  • 200 hours as a founder and president of a university run club, received funding to introduce running/fitness to underserved neighborhoods
  • 250 hours as a TA for lab course (3 semesters), became head TA this Spring
  • 200 hours as a leader for an undergrad summer program
  • 500 hours as an orientation leader for my university's orientation week program (24/7 x 3 years in a row)
  • 200 hours in various roles at my residential dorm
    • Class representative, student government parliamentarian, coordinator for "events week", captain of my college's team
  • 50 hours as a caregiver at university sanctioned parties
Definitely the strongest part of my application.

LORs: I have 8 lol, I know too many, but my premed committee let's me submit 6, and I'll submit the other 2 to schools. But I have 8 because I genuinely have built very strong relationships with all these people. Here are my letters in submission. I

1) Will get an INSANE letter from the faculty advisor for my undergrad volunteering club, HMS grad and director of a major medical team
2) Will get an INSANE letter from the family med doctor I worked for, I also shadowed him in ED (he's lowkey letting me write it)
3) Will get a VERY STRONG letter from my PI, we are super tight, I have deadass gone on bike rides with him because we love biking
4) Will get a GOOD letter from my *university president. We aren't tight, but he's come to my run club and knows that I'm super involved in my undergrad community
5) Will get a VERY STRONG letter from my science prof, I took 3 of her classes (all A's) and TA'd for her 3 semesteres
6) Will get a GOOD letter from my neuro department chair, I took his research course 3 times and have worked with him to promote my undergrad volunteer club
7) Will get a VERY STRONG letter from a science prof I TA'd for, we are super tight, I deadass go to happy hour with him sometimes
8) Will get a VERY STRONG letter from my Arabic professor, his classes are super small and we spend a lot of time together and I will spend the summer with him, too

*Should I include this in my letter packet (which only takes top 6 letters?) I think at the very least his letter for me will be good, it could be very strong as he rarely writes letters of rec, but not sure. However, he is the damn university president, so at what point does prestige lose out to a personalized letter?

Other: (1400 hours)
  • 1000 hours learning Arabic, something I am super passionate about, will do a 6-week study abroad this summer
  • 150 hours learning Spanish, partially fluent from high school education
  • 100 hours as a member of a band, lead singer and guitarist
  • 100 hours intramural soccer, might not seem important, but I treat this **** like the world cup
  • 50 hours in a cultural club, I did a dance routine!
  • Fluent in Vietnamese, partially fluent in Arabic and Spanish (hoping to be fluent in Arabic by the end of summer)

School List:
TMDSAS: UTSW, Baylor, Dell, UTMB, Texas A&M, UT San Antonio, McGovern, TT El Paso

AMCAS: Harvard, Hopkins, Stanford, Penn, Duke, UCSF, Columbia, Yale, WashU, NYU, Vanderbilt, Mayo Clinic, Michigan, Cornell, Northwestern, UPitt, Emory, Mt Sinai, UChicago, UCLA, CWRU/Cleveland Clinic, UCSD, USC, UVA, Brown, Boston, Albert Einstein, Dartmouth, Hofstra
I applied this cycle to TMDSAS and AMCAS with stats similar (3.95 / 524), research, ecs, and school list similar to yours - got interviews OOS (harvard, northwestern, georgetown) but the only OOS schools that "bit" were Mayo Clinic Arizona track and Indiana University SOM (state of my T20 UG). I ended up deciding to stick with Baylor, which I prematched into. My premed advisor before the cycle warned me that as a TX student with no gap years there was significant bias against us from OOS schools, but I didn't realize how bad the bias was until I actually experienced the cycle lol. I would say shoot your shot but don't put your hopes on OOS success...
 
I applied this cycle to TMDSAS and AMCAS with stats similar (3.95 / 524), research, ecs, and school list similar to yours - got interviews OOS (harvard, northwestern, georgetown) but the only OOS schools that "bit" were Mayo Clinic Arizona track and Indiana University SOM (state of my T20 UG). I ended up deciding to stick with Baylor, which I prematched into. My premed advisor before the cycle warned me that as a TX student with no gap years there was significant bias against us from OOS schools, but I didn't realize how bad the bias was until I actually experienced the cycle lol. I would say shoot your shot but don't put your hopes on OOS success...
well congrats on getting those OOS interviews! definitely super impressive. do you have any advice on things you would've maybe done different to market yourself as someone who would prefer going OOS? no idea if you wanted to yourself, but maybe you might know some strategies...thanks!
 
well congrats on getting those OOS interviews! definitely super impressive. do you have any advice on things you would've maybe done different to market yourself as someone who would prefer going OOS? no idea if you wanted to yourself, but maybe you might know some strategies...thanks!
My only tip would be private OOS schools because they don’t care what state you are from.
85% of Texas applicants, even top stats guys, matriculate in Texas
 
well congrats on getting those OOS interviews! definitely super impressive. do you have any advice on things you would've maybe done different to market yourself as someone who would prefer going OOS? no idea if you wanted to yourself, but maybe you might know some strategies...thanks!
I think maybe I should have made any potential ties to the region more clear in my interviews? I knew that I should have made that clear starting out but struggled with introducing it in interviews in a way that felt natural. I also probably should have been more enthusiastic in that Georgetown interview lol but I could not fake it for the life of me and would have preferred baylor over georgetown anyways... I think I just got lucky with the OOS interviews but not lucky enough to turn those interviews into acceptances 🙁 , or god forbid, my interview skills weren't as decent as I thought.
 
Your app looks good, just be able to back up your hours. 6300 hours is roughly three years of a full time job, and I am assuming you are a junior. this might raise some eyebrows
 
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