Was this out of line?

[Dr_Dan_the_man]

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So AECOM sends me an email telling me my file is incomplete and I should send it in by March if I think I am competitive....

On a whim of frustration, I sent them the following response.


To Whom It May Concern,

You never sent me a secondary application therefore I cannot complete it.
Thanks to you, I wasted 30$.

Sincerely, Dr_Dan

At this point obviously I don't care, the school was a longshot.
While I know this is just bad business, I needed to vent... do you think something like that can come back to haunt me or will they just laugh and move on?

 

[seraph524]

So AECOM sends me an email telling me my file is incomplete and I should send it in by March if I think I am competitive....

On a whim of frustration, I sent them the following response.


To Whom It May Concern,

You never sent me a secondary application therefore I cannot complete it.
Thanks to you, I wasted 30$.

Sincerely, Dr_Dan

At this point obviously I don't care, the school was a longshot.
While I know this is just bad business, I needed to vent... do you think something like that can come back to haunt me or will they just laugh and move on?

wow thats pretty rough...

 

[blargh]

whoa... harsh.

it's almost never a good idea to be a jackass to med schools. next time, take your anger out on a punching bag.

 

[mc4435]

haha i don't know but i doubt they have time to "make you pay" for that email... not like it was scathing or anything. but it sure made me laugh! 😀

 

[bodonid]

So AECOM sends me an email telling me my file is incomplete and I should send it in by March if I think I am competitive....

On a whim of frustration, I sent them the following response.


To Whom It May Concern,

You never sent me a secondary application therefore I cannot complete it.
Thanks to you, I wasted 30$.

Sincerely, Dr_Dan

At this point obviously I don't care, the school was a longshot.
While I know this is just bad business, I needed to vent... do you think something like that can come back to haunt me or will they just laugh and move on?

Do you think they will forward your letter/email to all the other schools in the country? I think not.🙂 But I don't think you will get in...

 

[dd128]

So AECOM sends me an email telling me my file is incomplete and I should send it in by March if I think I am competitive....

On a whim of frustration, I sent them the following response.


To Whom It May Concern,

You never sent me a secondary application therefore I cannot complete it.
Thanks to you, I wasted 30$.

Sincerely, Dr_Dan

At this point obviously I don't care, the school was a longshot.
While I know this is just bad business, I needed to vent... do you think something like that can come back to haunt me or will they just laugh and move on?

😆 At least you didn't curse. I doubt it hurts you directly, as the admissions person would have to be pretty spiteful to go out of there way and try to find out what schools you've interviewed at or been accepted to tell them. Though having worked in retail for sometime I've gotten a great deal of misdirected anger in my direction. The person who sent you the email may not have had anything to do with you not getting your secondary, so you may want to watch out for karma coming back to you 😛

 

[Mandek]

Dr Dan, you da man! 😀

 

[blurry]

I would have worded it a bit friendlier and taken out the part about wasting money. But that's just me, I am not really a confrontational person for things I don't care about; I just let it be.

 

[wutwinb]

yeah, i would call that out of line...if you knew they hadn't sent you a secondary, you could have been more proactive and emailed the admissions office months ago teling them about their mistake...

 

[Rotinaj]

It won't come back to haunt you unless you reapply to that school. Nice response imo.

 

[carwreck]

😆 At least you didn't curse. I doubt it hurts you directly, as the admissions person would have to be pretty spiteful to go out of there way and try to find out what schools you've interviewed at or been accepted to tell them. Though having worked in retail for sometime I've gotten a great deal of misdirected anger in my direction. The person who sent you the email may not have had anything to do with you not getting your secondary, so you may want to watch out for karma coming back to you 😛

Maybe that person who gets the email will move through and end up being an assistant to a residency program director...

Dum dum dum!

 

[kastle6797]

You're fine. This process drives everyone crazy to some extent. Just don't expect to get into that school anytime soon.

 

[seraph524]

I think residency at this particular school would also be difficult...

 

[87138]

I think residency at this particular school would also be difficult...

Are you guys serious??

No one will remember this at that school by next week. That's assuming antone bothers to read it in the first place.

I thought his response was funny, and fairly appropriate. But I'm a jerk.

 

[seraph524]

I've heard of stories of MSTP applicants just bailing on interviews without notifying them that they weren't going to go...and the office made note of that...

 

[Virgil]

It would have been pretty sweet if you actually ended your email with "Sincerely, Dr. Dan."

 

[novastorm]

You should send them a rejection letter now just to spite them. haha. Or if by chance you get a secondary fill it out in crayon or make one up and send it in heh.

 

[mc4435]

I've heard of stories of MSTP applicants just bailing on interviews without notifying them that they weren't going to go...and the office made note of that...

yeah that's expected but that's wayyy different than this situation.

 

[Virgil]

You should send them a rejection letter now just to spite them. haha. Or if by chance you get a secondary fill it out in crayon or make one up and send it in heh.

Are you suggesting he write his own rejection letter and send it to the school? If so, that is pure genius. Better reject them before they get the chance reject you!

 

[shantster]

yeah, i would call that out of line...if you knew they hadn't sent you a secondary, you could have been more proactive and emailed the admissions office months ago teling them about their mistake...

That was my thought too. They have thousands of people to take care of and each applicant only has ~20 to look after. Obviously something's going to fall through. It's March, why didn't you think it was odd that you didn't get a secondary much earlier in the season?

What did you think would be accomplished by sending that?

 

[jkl123]

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[metalmd06]

I hate to break it to you, but the AECOM secondary is online. It's not e-submission, you have to open the form and type on it, or print it out and fill it out and then mail it. If I were you I would have been more inquisitive with your response.

 

[BoilerWolverine]

I hate to break it to you, but the AECOM secondary is online. It's not e-submission, you have to open the form and type on it, or print it out and fill it out and then mail it. If I were you I would have been more inquisitive with your response.

I just checked and they DID send an email to me after submitting my primary. If the OP never got it, how was he supposed to know that he needs to find the secondary and fill it out?

I'm with you dude! These admissions people are truly obnoxious sometimes (with a few exceptions). They are so unfriendly and unwilling to help you, even though you're paying good money for them to laugh at your ap. And god forbid they should go out of their way to do anything for someone, like send them a secondary.

Just to prove this, I got a letter from Georgetown the other day... "Please be assured that your application has been given personal consideration." I DIDN'T SEND IN THE ****ING SECONDARY!!! HOW CAN YOU HAVE GIVEN ME PERSONAL ATTENTION?!?!?!? This actually PROVES exactly how IMPERSONAL you actually are!

**** it dude, lets go bowling...

 

[1956Goldtop]

Agreed, if you weren't getting a secondary invite, you should have been proactive in finding it or contacting the admissions office. The same thing happened to me with JHU, but I just found it online and filled it out the first chance I got when I realized they weren't going to e-mail me.

 

[metalmd06]

I'm surprised that you didn't get a secondary email. I figured that regardless of whether they thought you had a shot, they would at least encourage you to repeat yourself in their terms, all for an addition fee of $110! No longer will you be trapped by the narrow mindedness of the AMCAS application! Fill out our secondary and really express yourself! Then send in your fee, and the adcom and faculty can all go out to lunch and discuss your candidacy. But if you don't get in, don't fret! Your non refundable fee bought a perfectly cooked steak with a side of garlic mashed and a beer. Hell, it even produced a very solid BM! And, there's more! There's always next year!

 

[dizzyorange]

If it was on a credit card, call up the bank and tell them the situation. I had a similiar situation with a school in NYC, and my bank said "We'll take care of it". A few weeks later, the payment was refunded back to the account.

 

[bullishMD]

i never got a secondary email from AECOM... They just told me you were supposed to go to their website and fill out the secondary and send it in. Thats what i did.

...If the school was actually supposed to send you a secondary then I dont think it is out of line, I actually think that what you said would be halarious. But it sucks for you because AECOM doesnt send anything about their secondary (at least not to everyone) you are just supposed to go find it yourself on their website, so that note just makes you look like a big dumba**

 

[dienekes88]

I'm guessing the OP just figured he was a pre-secondary neg. I don't know if the pay out of bugging a school for a secondary is commensurate to the work involved with calling the school, bugging the secretary, working on the app, etc. On top of that, if you're not getting the secondary app, you might not have that great a chance anyway. Would you pay $110 and waste 5 hours of your life to get neg'd? Regardless... it was a little out of line.

Well speaking of administrative bungles, AECOM sent me a snarky letter telling me I had gotten an interview invite several weeks ago and asked if I was going to interview. Unfortunately, I had NOT gotten an interview invite. That really turned me off to the school. They could've been nice about it, but instead they were kinda unpleasant. Then when I called to inform them I was withdrawing my application (before the deadline they had given me), they said my app had already been automatically withdrawn. Oh. Thanks...

 

[SoxPatriots]

I think Residency is out of the question at that school. I know med school and residency interviewers and sadly they hold grudges and do remember things like that.

Apparently they even take note if you send a letter of intent and then bail on them.

Probably should have looked into the secondary more, but I do think the note was pretty funny.

 

[ssisterdoc]

That email was a little out of line but you were frustrated. You're only human.

 

[seraph524]

I think you may have to go to their website, download the secondary and mail it in.

This would be hilarious if it was the case.

 

[186321]

I don't think your email was out of line at all. These schools are the ones who are out of line. They take all of our money, hundreds of thousands of dollars so a committee of 20 can ignore hundreds of applications. Some never send rejection notices or status updates. We're paying these people $60-100 to simply read an application and they don't even do that most of the time. Its ridiculous.

 

[metalmd06]

I don't think your email was out of line at all. These schools are the ones who are out of line. They take all of our money, hundreds of thousands of dollars so a committee of 20 can ignore hundreds of applications. Some never send rejection notices or status updates. We're paying these people $60-100 to simply read an application and they don't even do that most of the time. Its ridiculous.

HERE HERE!

 

[DrBowtie]

I think Residency is out of the question at that school. I know med school and residency interviewers and sadly they hold grudges and do remember things like that.

Apparently they even take note if you send a letter of intent and then bail on them.

Probably should have looked into the secondary more, but I do think the note was pretty funny.

I think this is urban legend. Maybe if you interviewed with them, were a complete tool, and then wanted to do residency in their field, but not if you send a note to the admissions office.

 

[Vihsadas]

My prediction. The admissions secretary will read your letter and say, 'Ok', and promptly throw it in the trash. Noone will care. 😛

 

[Doctor Bagel]

I think this is urban legend. Maybe if you interviewed with them, were a complete tool, and then wanted to do residency in their field, but not if you send a note to the admissions office.

I have got to agree. They are completely different departments in a big bureaucratic institution, and you're not going to apply for residency until 4 years from now anyway. The odds of them keeping note of this type of stuff has to be incredibly small.

And I think Vihsadas prediction is spot on.

 

[pedro4199]

I have got to agree. They are completely different departments in a big bureaucratic institution, and you're not going to apply for residency until 4 years from now anyway. The odds of them keeping note of this type of stuff has to be incredibly small.

And I think Vihsadas prediction is spot on.

OMG that is so disheartening! It makes me wonder how low you would really have to stoop to get on a schools blacklist. Send a letter of disintent once a month because you are discontent with their practices? Fly to the school and curse them in person? FedEx the Dean a bag of poo?

 

[NJDIF]

AECOM has their secondary online! they dont send you one.


They have it on the website year round.

http://www.aecom.yu.edu/uploadedFiles/admissions/secondary1.pdf

 

[arwilli3]

They do send you an email telling you where to find it though. It would probably be kind of difficult to find without the link.

 

[SoxPatriots]

I have got to agree. They are completely different departments in a big bureaucratic institution, and you're not going to apply for residency until 4 years from now anyway. The odds of them keeping note of this type of stuff has to be incredibly small.

And I think Vihsadas prediction is spot on.

I agree it's a slim chance and most likely the sectretary will throw it out/have a laugh, but my father is on the med school admissions committee and residency board of directors as are many docs at the same institution, so they are not two completely different departments. And believe me I hear about every applicant that leaves a terrible impression and I never hear about the good ones.

 

[Maxprime]

I think this is urban legend. Maybe if you interviewed with them, were a complete tool, and then wanted to do residency in their field, but not if you send a note to the admissions office.

I think standing up for yourself if a quality residencies would appreciate. 🙂

 

[Maxprime]

AECOM has their secondary online! they dont send you one.


They have it on the website year round.

http://www.aecom.yu.edu/uploadedFiles/admissions/secondary1.pdf

Ehl Oh Ehl

 

[DrBowtie]

I think standing up for yourself if a quality residencies would appreciate. 🙂

From what I can tell, applying for residency is even more shifty than applying to med school.

 

[FutureDoc18]

That was my thought too. They have thousands of people to take care of and each applicant only has ~20 to look after. Obviously something's going to fall through. It's March, why didn't you think it was odd that you didn't get a secondary much earlier in the season?

What did you think would be accomplished by sending that?

Actually, it's February.😀

 

[coldweatherblue]

never burn bridges in professional relationships.

 

[shantster]

Actually, it's February.😀

Obviously school's made me delusional and I'm so excited about break.

 

[BrokenGlass]

never burn bridges in professional relationships.

It's all water under the bridge.

 

[nevercold]

From what I can tell, applying for residency is even more shifty than applying to med school.

Nah, applying to residency is easy. Letters of recommendation, an online form, a personal statement you upload, and select/pay (cheaper than med school). There are no secondaries to deal with. You still have to pay to travel to interviews though. In some specialities, you may get some travel reimbursement or the occasional free hotel night.

 

[coldweatherblue]

It's all water under the bridge.

Never pet a burning dog.

 

[Drogba]

I don't think your email was out of line at all. These schools are the ones who are out of line. They take all of our money, hundreds of thousands of dollars so a committee of 20 can ignore hundreds of applications. Some never send rejection notices or status updates. We're paying these people $60-100 to simply read an application and they don't even do that most of the time. Its ridiculous.

I believe most if not all adcoms volunteer their time and the application fee goes directly to the school, not to the admissions. I am also pretty sure that adcoms have nothing to do with setting the application fee. You're misdirecting your anger, though misdirected angers kinda seems to be the theme of this thread