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Okay... i know that WCT is v-tach until proven otherwise and if unstable shock and if stable determine rhythm causing WCT and give medication. I have been reading that narrow complex tachycardia is supraventricular tachycardia, but wide complex tachycardia may be supraventricular or ventricular depending if aberrancy is present. My question is does it matter? Can't I give amiodarone and that would stop the SVT or v-tach(stable) so why does it matter? i know I am missing something.


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Okay... i know that WCT is v-tach until proven otherwise and if unstable shock and if stable determine rhythm causing WCT and give medication. I have been reading that narrow complex tachycardia is supraventricular tachycardia, but wide complex tachycardia may be supraventricular or ventricular depending if aberrancy is present. My question is does it matter? Can't I give amiodarone and that would stop the SVT or v-tach(stable) so why does it matter? i know I am missing something.


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From what I can remember wpw svt can present as a wide complex svt and in that instance you would want to still treat it as an svt not a wct, but you can spot those because of the delta waves (in theory). This is the only time I've been told of an svt presenting as a wide complex. I think most people just follow the rule that you stated, WCT is vtach until proven otherwise. I can't be certain of this, maybe someone else can chime in?
 
From what I can remember wpw svt can present as a wide complex svt and in that instance you would want to still treat it as an svt not a wct, but you can spot those because of the delta waves (in theory). This is the only time I've been told of an svt presenting as a wide complex. I think most people just follow the rule that you stated, WCT is vtach until proven otherwise. I can't be certain of this, maybe someone else can chime in?

also, if its svt with aberrancy you can try fixing it with adenosine or cardioversion vs just shocking them.
 
Okay... i know that WCT is v-tach until proven otherwise and if unstable shock and if stable determine rhythm causing WCT and give medication. I have been reading that narrow complex tachycardia is supraventricular tachycardia, but wide complex tachycardia may be supraventricular or ventricular depending if aberrancy is present. My question is does it matter? Can't I give amiodarone and that would stop the SVT or v-tach(stable) so why does it matter? i know I am missing something.


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It matters because you want to choose the most effective / expedient treatment for the condition at hand. A narrow complex SVT involving the AV node, s/a AVRT or AVNRT, will respond immediately to adenosine in most cases. Will amiodarone work for such an SVT? It may, as Amio is a "dirty" antiarrhyhmic with some properties of all the different Vaughn-Williams classes, but it would be much less likely to work and take a lot longer.

In the most recent iteration of the ACLS protocol, first line treatment for a REGULAR, stable wide complex rhythm is adenosine, as if its an SVT involving the AV node this is likely to terminate the rhyhtm, and if its true stable VT adenosine is probably not harmful (there used to be concern in the past that adenosine in stable VT could cause degeneration to fib but presumably there's no data to support this).

True stable VT, on the other hand, amio is a good bet, but it generally doesn't stay stable for long, so you don't want to sit on it for hours waiting for amio to work (generally speaking).
 
From what I can remember wpw svt can present as a wide complex svt and in that instance you would want to still treat it as an svt not a wct, but you can spot those because of the delta waves (in theory). This is the only time I've been told of an svt presenting as a wide complex. I think most people just follow the rule that you stated, WCT is vtach until proven otherwise. I can't be certain of this, maybe someone else can chime in?

Use the brugada criteria.

WPW with aberrancy is very distinct. Look up images, you wont mistake this for a run of the mill SVT.
 
Use the brugada criteria.

WPW with aberrancy is very distinct. Look up images, you wont mistake this for a run of the mill SVT.
I'm not a cardiologist or cardio fellow, but this is my understanding.

WPW does look different from SVT, but a run of the mill AVNRT with aberrancy or orthodromic AVRT with aberrancy would look similar enough to a VT where you might not have the time to sit down and go through all the Brugada Criteria. In that situation, I would just treat it like a VT and assess the stability of the patient.
The only thing I would watch out for is if it's WPW with aflutter or afib, in which case you cannot treat it like a SVT and give them anything that blocks the AV node - adenosine, beta-blockers, etc.
 
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