Well the abortion bans accomplished absolutely nothing

[deleted1183938]

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Except for increased morbidity and mortality for expectant moms.

Infant Deaths After Texas’ 2021 Ban on Abortion in Early Pregnancy

This cohort study of recorded infant deaths examines infant mortality after the passage of the 2021 ban on early abortions in Texas.

jamanetwork.com

Texas' anti-abortion heartbeat law aimed to save babies, but more infants died.

Texas enacted its anti-abortion law before the U.S. Supreme Court's Dobbs ruling. Study found far more infants died in Texas than had before the ban.

www.usatoday.com

 

[caligas]

I’m pro choice but I’d assume pro lifers would say better for these babies to have been born and lived a few months than aborted?

 

[cchoukal]

The valid criticism of the article would be that these "excess deaths" were really just babies that would've otherwise been aborted, and so they aren't really excess deaths. The law is working as intended to reduce abortions.

 

[deleted1183938]

The valid criticism of the article would be that these "excess deaths" were really just babies that would've otherwise been aborted, and so they aren't really excess deaths. The law is working as intended to reduce abortions.

Except who was saved? And now we are risking maternal morbidity and mortality. Not to mention having these families grieve for a much longer period of time and having increased funeral and medical expenses.
So really what are we accomplishing here?

 

[DocMcCoy]

If it’s true Texas went from 4000 abortions a month to 5, controlling for the increased mortality, if we are talking just numbers, apparently thousands saved.

Five abortions a month: How Dobbs changed Texas

Before Roe v. Wade was overturned two years ago, the monthly average was around 4,400.

www.texastribune.org

 

[rowsdower88]

If it’s true Texas went from 4000 abortions a month to 5, controlling for the increased mortality, if we are talking just numbers, apparently thousands saved.

Five abortions a month: How Dobbs changed Texas

Before Roe v. Wade was overturned two years ago, the monthly average was around 4,400.

www.texastribune.org

Would need to control for the (what I would suspect to be large number of) women who left Texas to get an abortion elsewhere to make that claim.

 

[NICMAN]

33,000 fewer abortions during this timeframe and an increase in fertility of 16,000 additional babies born with an excess mortality of 255 babies.

This during a time with greatly increased immigration and rising fertility among Hispanic and teen demographics--all three of which are at risk populations. There is also a lingering COVID mortality and morbidity effect that disproportionately affects at risk populations (e.g., poor OB follow up and pre-natal care).

Anybody who has practiced medicine in Texas knows that there is a huge at-risk population in the OB wings of hospitals that have very little pre-natal care that don't also show up in places like Oregon or Massachusetts. This population has increased dramatically in Texas compared to other states. I think the story is more complicated than the article implies with unacknowledged multifactorial causal elements.

 

[UscGhost]

Good thing that Republicans are aggressive about funding welfare and medi-caid in order to help take care of all of these kids born to teenager mothers....

 

[rowsdower88]

This during a time with greatly increased immigration and rising fertility among Hispanic and teen demographics--all three of which are at risk populations. There is also a lingering COVID mortality and morbidity effect that disproportionately affects at risk populations (e.g., poor OB follow up and pre-natal care).

I don't have access to the full article, do you know how they determined the 28 comparison states or which states were selected? They might have been trying to control for these factors to some extent.

Both CA and New Mexico have higher hispanic populations, did they do individual state by state comparisons at all?

The covid morbidity wouldn't necessarily be worse in Texas unless Texas healthcare just sucks in other ways, which might be true, I don't know - but that doesn't mean Texas should get a pass.

 

[aneftp]

Congress can always pass and codify abortion as being legal.

Biden can always make it the center piece of his election campaign as well. “Re elect me” and we will make it national law

I dare him to do it in all the swing states this fall.

And I am pro choice.

 

[Agast]

Over 35,000 female patients in Texas went elsewhere for their abortions

I say female patients instead of women because I’m sure some of them were minors

Five abortions a month: How Dobbs changed Texas

Before Roe v. Wade was overturned two years ago, the monthly average was around 4,400.

www.texastribune.org

 

[DocMcCoy]

Over 35,000 female patients in Texas went elsewhere for their abortions

I say female patients instead of women because I’m sure some of them were minors

Five abortions a month: How Dobbs changed Texas

Before Roe v. Wade was overturned two years ago, the monthly average was around 4,400.

www.texastribune.org

52800-35000 > 255 🤷‍♂️

One could argue that’s a big win. If that’s their position

 

[triggermaster]

Over 35,000 female patients in Texas went elsewhere for their abortions

I say female patients instead of women because I’m sure some of them were minors

Five abortions a month: How Dobbs changed Texas

Before Roe v. Wade was overturned two years ago, the monthly average was around 4,400.

www.texastribune.org

The democrats here are offended either way, female patients vs women, because it leaves out the totally legitimate group of men with uteruses. 🫏

 

[Arch Guillotti]

I am going to go ahead and close this thread. Really has nowhere to go. This forum has all of a sudden become the dumping ground for SPF type posts even more than usual. A little too much right now.