what are my chances of getting in this year?

[johnnyboyy87]

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i sent in my application at the end of this July 2010. i graduated in 2009 from SUNY Farmingdale in Long island with a 3.95 cumulative GPA as a biology major. my DAT scores were:

PA: 19
QR: 14
RC: 17
Bio: 18
Gen Chem: 22
Orgo: 17
Total Science: 18
AA: 18

i sent my application to 24 schools. they are:

University of Alabama at Birmingham
Arizona School of Dentistry and Oral Health (AZ)
University of California, San Francisco (UCSF)
University of Colorado (COL)
University of Connecticut (CONN)
Howard University (HOW)
University of Florida (FLA)
Boston University Henry M Goldman School of Dental Medicine (BU)
Tufts University (TUF)
University of Maryland (MYD)
University of Michigan (MICH)
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (UNC)
University of Nebraska (NEB)
Creighton University (CRE)
University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey (NJDS)
University of Nevada, Las Vegas (UNLV)
University at Buffalo (BUF)
New York University (NYU)
Stony Brook University (SUSB)
Columbia University College of Dental Medicine (CUL)
University of Pennsylvania (PENN)
The Maurice H. Kornberg School of Dentistry, Temple University (TEMP)
University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston (HOUS)
University of Washington (WASH)

so far i got rejected to UMDNJ, Colorado, Alabama, UConn, UPenn and Las Vegas.
im getting very nervous i really want to get into dental school this year thats why i applied to so many schools. its been a while and i only heard from a handful of schools so far. i was wondering with everyones experience if they could let me know if i have a good shot and what my chances would be at some schools.

 

[beatsdre]

DAT score and GPA do not match up. I think you should RETAKE DAT really quickly and hope for the best.

 

[DMDRAJ]

im 90% sure you'll hear back from a few

 

[johnnyboyy87]

im 90% sure you'll hear back from a few

do you think it will be good response? such as an acceptance.

 

[peanutb123]

I believe its b/c of your dat.

Your RC is below average. they would like to see at least 18. then Orgo is little low, along with QR.

So i believe if you were to do good in those sections of dat and get a 19 or 20 there is a good possibility that you can get into d-school.

 

[321931]

I believe its b/c of your dat.

Your RC is below average. they would like to see at least 18. then Orgo is little low, along with QR.

So i believe if you were to do good in those sections of dat and get a 19 or 20 there is a good possibility that you can get into d-school.

I agree; however, the biggest flaw I see is 3.95 GPA and his DAT scores. You could hold out and see what happens, but I recommend if you do not get in this cycle to retake the DAT. The DAT scores and GPA don't add up at all.

 

[Munchy]

def retake the dat. The first thing that came to my mind was 'uh oh.. GPA does not match DAT'

 

[lululime]

Hmmm.....could it be your sGPA? or W's?

 

[wizi]

What is your sGPA? What have you been doing since 2005? Taking classes? Working? Surfing? Traveling? Any dental related job?

If I were you, i'll call those DS and ask for their advice.

 

[johnnyboyy87]

What is your sGPA? What have you been doing since 2005? Taking classes? Working? Surfing? Traveling? Any dental related job?

If I were you, i'll call those DS and ask for their advice.

I have been working full time in a dental office as an assistant and traveling as well. I also did some volunteer work.

 

[duckdds]

Don't pre-reqs expire after some years?

 

[johnnyboyy87]

wow I'm ridiculous I'm so nervous I messed up I graduated college in 2009. I'm sorry guys.

 

[toothfairyy]

You should def re-take the DAT! I think if you have a good amount of dental shadowing, work hrs, and/or extracurriculars you should be good this time around, just keep your fingers crossed

 

[dentalWorks]

i sent in my application at the end of this July 2010. i graduated in 2009 from SUNY Farmingdale in Long island with a 3.95 cumulative GPA as a biology major. my DAT scores were:

PA: 19
QR: 14
RC: 17
Bio: 18
Gen Chem: 22
Orgo: 17
Total Science: 18
AA: 18

i sent my application to 24 schools. they are:

University of Alabama at Birmingham
Arizona School of Dentistry and Oral Health (AZ)
University of California, San Francisco (UCSF)
University of Colorado (COL)
University of Connecticut (CONN)
Howard University (HOW)
University of Florida (FLA)
Boston University Henry M Goldman School of Dental Medicine (BU)
Tufts University (TUF)
University of Maryland (MYD)
University of Michigan (MICH)
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (UNC)
University of Nebraska (NEB)
Creighton University (CRE)
University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey (NJDS)
University of Nevada, Las Vegas (UNLV)
University at Buffalo (BUF)
New York University (NYU)
Stony Brook University (SUSB)
Columbia University College of Dental Medicine (CUL)
University of Pennsylvania (PENN)
The Maurice H. Kornberg School of Dentistry, Temple University (TEMP)
University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston (HOUS)
University of Washington (WASH)

so far i got rejected to UMDNJ, Colorado, Alabama, UConn, UPenn and Las Vegas.
im getting very nervous i really want to get into dental school this year thats why i applied to so many schools. its been a while and i only heard from a handful of schools so far. i was wondering with everyones experience if they could let me know if i have a good shot and what my chances would be at some schools.

Wait... when did you submit your application? And how many interviews have you had so far?

3.9 GPA is huge. Tell us more about how many pre-december interviews you've had so far and how many post-dec you have.

 

[dentalWorks]

Don't pre-reqs expire after some years?

pre-reqs expire? not really.... and its mostly because most schools put 2-3 year expiration dates on the DAT

 

[anotherpredent]

Pre-reqs expire for some dental schools. I graduated in '99 and VCU & Baltimore both told me I'd have to retake the pre-reqs to apply.

Fortunately there were plenty of schools that were fine with my old pre-reqs.

 

[johnnyboyy87]

Wait... when did you submit your application? And how many interviews have you had so far?

3.9 GPA is huge. Tell us more about how many pre-december interviews you've had so far and how many post-dec you have.

I e-submitted my application on July 27th. I have not had any interviews so far just a few rejections. I still haven't heard back from alot of schools I don't know what's taking so long. maybe I got moved into the second cycle?
my science GPA is a 4.0 I have a 3.95 because of a b+ in classes like English and public speaking.

 

[peanutb123]

I e-submitted my application on July 27th. I have not had any interviews so far just a few rejections. I still haven't heard back from alot of schools I don't know what's taking so long. maybe I got moved into the second cycle?
my science GPA is a 4.0 I have a 3.95 because of a b+ in classes like English and public speaking.

The first month alone june more than 5000+ people opened aadsas account. If you assume that each student applies to 10 schools (excluding strict state schools) every single school in US would have 1000+ apps on their desk first month alone. You applied end of second month just imagine how many apps are in front of yours.

 

[human instinct]

Two things are working against u: low Dat scores and very high gpa (tufts syndrome)

 

[ugapharm]

Something doesn't add up. Either you had very easy classes or you were so confident in yourself that you blew off the DAT. You shouldn't get a 4.0 sGPA and a 18 TS(especially the 17 in OC).

I would suggest retaking, however I still feel like something else is up if you haven't even gotten an interview with those grades.

 

[bracedoc]

Honestly, I disagree with everyone that says retake the DAT. AVerage DAT is a 19. SO you are pretty close. I also had an 18. But I had a 17 in PA and I know some schools will reject you if you dont have all scores above a 17... Like Tufts if I am not mistaken. But not all schools do this.

Nonetheless, I have gotten interviews at UCSF, Colorado, Tufts off your list (among others not on your list) and I have same DAT but lower GPA (3.76 cum and 3.65 science).

I would bet its a LOR that wasn't good or something else in your application that was a red flag to schools. Most schools would at least give you the benefit of the doubt with such high GPA and decent DAT scores.

Maybe reevaluate who you asked to write your letters and comb through your application. Maybe its your Personal Statment...

Most of the people on SDN have crazy DAT scores so I think they dont realize that 19 is average and you did pretty good on them. I would call the schools that rejected you and ask them why.

Also, I sent my application out 3 weeks later than you so I don't think that is it either! Good luck and I am sure you will hear from some other schools here soon.🙂

 

[ramseszerg]

I disagree with bracedoc. I forget the exact numbers but I believe it was 4000 out of 11000 get in to dental school or something like that? Which means that if you were exactly "average", that is the 5500th student, you didn't get in.

 

[amalgamgrillz]

Honestly, I disagree with everyone that says retake the DAT. AVerage DAT is a 19. SO you are pretty close. I also had an 18. But I had a 17 in PA and I know some schools will reject you if you dont have all scores above a 17... Like Tufts if I am not mistaken. But not all schools do this.

Nonetheless, I have gotten interviews at UCSF, Colorado, Tufts off your list (among others not on your list) and I have same DAT but lower GPA (3.76 cum and 3.65 science).

I would bet its a LOR that wasn't good or something else in your application that was a red flag to schools. Most schools would at least give you the benefit of the doubt with such high GPA and decent DAT scores.

Maybe reevaluate who you asked to write your letters and comb through your application. Maybe its your Personal Statment...

Most of the people on SDN have crazy DAT scores so I think they dont realize that 19 is average and you did pretty good on them. I would call the schools that rejected you and ask them why.

Also, I sent my application out 3 weeks later than you so I don't think that is it either! Good luck and I am sure you will hear from some other schools here soon.🙂

yeah, but your GPA and DAT match up more than the OPs.

 

[johnnyboyy87]

Honestly, I disagree with everyone that says retake the DAT. AVerage DAT is a 19. SO you are pretty close. I also had an 18. But I had a 17 in PA and I know some schools will reject you if you dont have all scores above a 17... Like Tufts if I am not mistaken. But not all schools do this.

Nonetheless, I have gotten interviews at UCSF, Colorado, Tufts off your list (among others not on your list) and I have same DAT but lower GPA (3.76 cum and 3.65 science).

I would bet its a LOR that wasn't good or something else in your application that was a red flag to schools. Most schools would at least give you the benefit of the doubt with such high GPA and decent DAT scores.

Maybe reevaluate who you asked to write your letters and comb through your application. Maybe its your Personal Statment...

Most of the people on SDN have crazy DAT scores so I think they dont realize that 19 is average and you did pretty good on them. I would call the schools that rejected you and ask them why.

Also, I sent my application out 3 weeks later than you so I don't think that is it either! Good luck and I am sure you will hear from some other schools here soon.🙂

yeah but why is it taking so long for responses I don't get it. especially if you sent your application out 3 weeks after me and already had interviews.

 

[321931]

Honestly, I disagree with everyone that says retake the DAT. AVerage DAT is a 19. SO you are pretty close. I also had an 18. But I had a 17 in PA and I know some schools will reject you if you dont have all scores above a 17... Like Tufts if I am not mistaken. But not all schools do this.

Nonetheless, I have gotten interviews at UCSF, Colorado, Tufts off your list (among others not on your list) and I have same DAT but lower GPA (3.76 cum and 3.65 science).

I would bet its a LOR that wasn't good or something else in your application that was a red flag to schools. Most schools would at least give you the benefit of the doubt with such high GPA and decent DAT scores.

Maybe reevaluate who you asked to write your letters and comb through your application. Maybe its your Personal Statment...

Most of the people on SDN have crazy DAT scores so I think they dont realize that 19 is average and you did pretty good on them. I would call the schools that rejected you and ask them why.

Also, I sent my application out 3 weeks later than you so I don't think that is it either! Good luck and I am sure you will hear from some other schools here soon.🙂

Huh, what on earth are you talking about? 😕

Average DAT: 18, Average GPA: 3.5...

Going by statistics... if you have a 3.5...you should have around a 18....

Going by statistics...if you have a 4.0 sGPA and 3.95 cGPA...you would think the OP DAT would be....20...21...22+?

I'm pulling stats from out-of-nowhere so take it with a grain of salt; however, I would think 4.00 sGPA is at least top percentile of the applicants that apply. However, his dat scores scream average percentile. You would think OP would also have top DAT percentiles in most sections ESPECIALLY the sciences.

To sum it up: DAT scores and GPA doesn't match up. Adcoms may think OP grades are super inflated, and or OP doesn't care about DAT, and or he may of just been a bad test taker (if it was this case, OP would of gotten interviews...which means that something else may be missing ECs? LOR who knows).

Also some schools have cutoffs. QR cutoff may of been applied, and the OC 17 may of been a flag.

My recommendation is to A) stick it out and hope for the best, B) Retake the DAT now...which is practically suicide with no given preparation, or C) if you don't get in this cycle, retake the DAT before the next cycle.

Just call the schools and ask them why you got rejected. It should shed some light on whats up. Either way, the cycle isn't over and some of those schools on your list interview for very long periods of time. Gl!

 

[k00laid]

your QR is really low... don't some schools have cutoffs? also like someone else said, your RC and OC are low. if it wasn't for the 22 in GC your AA and TS scores would have been much lower. i think maybe schools are looking for balanced results (maybe 18 all around or 19 all around) but yours are kind of up and down and on the lower end.

the DAT definitely might be the problem. but maybe your application is lacking in other areas so that you'll need a higher DAT score to get in.

i got a 19AA and 19TS, but i still managed to hear back from several schools and get accepted. my score is only 1 notch above yours, but i think the big difference may be that my lowest individual score was 18 in QR and the rest were 19+. my gpa was 3.8, so kind of like yours.

so just keep that in mind if you don't get in this cycle. you can also call up the schools that you got rejected from so far and ask them why you were rejected. there probably isn't time to retake the DAT right now if that's the reason, so just hope for the best for the rest of the cycle and try again the next if you don't hear any good news. you have a really high gpa which is great so just bump up the DAT a little bit and you should be good i think 🙂

 

[bracedoc]

I disagree with bracedoc. I forget the exact numbers but I believe it was 4000 out of 11000 get in to dental school or something like that? Which means that if you were exactly "average", that is the 5500th student, you didn't get in.

So why do you think I received 8 interviews out of 10 schools and the OP recieved none? It's not his DAT scores or I would be in the same boat. It is something else in the application that schools dont like.

I highly doubt its his DAT / GPA not "matching". That would be ridiculous if schools said well his GPA is too high for his DAT scores so lets reject him. They would most definitely give him the benefit of the doubt and at least interview him and ask why?

Of course retaking the DAT would help but you have to look at the bigger picture here and there is something else holding the OP back. If you get a chance you should look at the rnages of DAT scores at schools and you will see that many start at 16 AA.

It's not a coincidence that I have an 80% interview invite rate and 75% acceptance rate with similar DAT and lower GPA. It's got to be something else!

So, I still disagree🙁

 

[johnnyboyy87]

So why do you think I received 8 interviews out of 10 schools and the OP recieved none? It's not his DAT scores or I would be in the same boat. It is something else in the application that schools dont like.

I highly doubt its his DAT / GPA not "matching". That would be ridiculous if schools said well his GPA is too high for his DAT scores so lets reject him. They would most definitely give him the benefit of the doubt and at least interview him and ask why?

Of course retaking the DAT would help but you have to look at the bigger picture here and there is something else holding the OP back. If you get a chance you should look at the rnages of DAT scores at schools and you will see that many start at 16 AA.

It's not a coincidence that I have an 80% interview invite rate and 75% acceptance rate with similar DAT and lower GPA. It's got to be something else!

So, I still disagree🙁

do you think now after the holidays I'll get interviews and responses? I feel maybe my application was pushed into the second cycle for review.

 

[amalgamgrillz]

So why do you think I received 8 interviews out of 10 schools and the OP recieved none? It's not his DAT scores or I would be in the same boat. It is something else in the application that schools dont like.

I highly doubt its his DAT / GPA not "matching". That would be ridiculous if schools said well his GPA is too high for his DAT scores so lets reject him. They would most definitely give him the benefit of the doubt and at least interview him and ask why?

Of course retaking the DAT would help but you have to look at the bigger picture here and there is something else holding the OP back. If you get a chance you should look at the rnages of DAT scores at schools and you will see that many start at 16 AA.

It's not a coincidence that I have an 80% interview invite rate and 75% acceptance rate with similar DAT and lower GPA. It's got to be something else!

So, I still disagree🙁

I don't think you're understanding what we're trying to say about "mismatching GPA/DAT". Your GPA and DAT match up..so your (good/strong GPA is legitimized by your slightly above average DAT).

A low DAT, especially in the sciences, paired with an obscenely high GPA could mean a couple things:

• bad standardized test taker - they want you to kill the NDBEs, so if you can't handle the DAT, you won't handle the NDBEs.
• inflated GPA - if you can't understand the basic science questions, how legitimate was your undergrad program? A 4.0 student should do at least "good" on their DAT..the OP was below average...this kind of discredits your undergraduate training.

 

[peanutb123]

So why do you think I received 8 interviews out of 10 schools and the OP recieved none? It's not his DAT scores or I would be in the same boat. It is something else in the application that schools dont like.

I highly doubt its his DAT / GPA not "matching". That would be ridiculous if schools said well his GPA is too high for his DAT scores so lets reject him. They would most definitely give him the benefit of the doubt and at least interview him and ask why?

Of course retaking the DAT would help but you have to look at the bigger picture here and there is something else holding the OP back. If you get a chance you should look at the rnages of DAT scores at schools and you will see that many start at 16 AA.

It's not a coincidence that I have an 80% interview invite rate and 75% acceptance rate with similar DAT and lower GPA. It's got to be something else!

So, I still disagree🙁

if you do not mind could you post your individual dat scores. I bet your RC is >= 18 and your QR >=15 and your Orgo >=17 and your ...

Lot of schools put a great emphasis on RC.

 

[cmcner]

I would start studying to retake and destroy the DAT for next cycle. I don't think it will help you this cycle and if you rush into it you won't do any better. The truth is that many schools will have most of their class filled by Jan 15th and there won't be any interviews coming from those schools. Right now your application is in and set for this year, start working on a plan B and hope that plan A works out. It took me two cycles to get in my willingness to start preparing for the next cycle around January in my first cycle is why I got in the second time around. Also timing is very important get your application in right away. Good luck.

 

[Impulse155]

Im going to give you guys some info that most of you dont know. OP I dont mean to insult you at all but I live on long island. In fact I am about 10 minutes from SUNY farmingdale.
The reason his GPA and DAT scores DONT match up is because of the school he goes to. SUNY Farmingdale is barely a step up from a CC and infact most of my friends who drop out from upper level colleges and dont want to go to a CC will end up at SUNY farmingdale. On top of that speaking from what I have heard multiple times, Farmingdale is an EXTREMELY easy school. My roommate who is an economics major and a business minor took classes there over the summer and said that the business classes he took at farmingdale were jokes compared to the ones at Stony Brook. And Stony Brook isnt even a business school so I can only imagine what the science class differential would be like.

Maybe this will help clarify the skepticism between the GPA/DAT scores.

Edit:
Perfect example from the whole Farmingdale taking drop out students:
My brother had a full scholarship to Hofstra, got kicked out. Guess where hes at now.

 

[johnnyboyy87]

Im going to give you guys some info that most of you dont know. OP I dont mean to insult you at all but I live on long island. In face I am about 10 minutes from SUNY farmingdale.
The reason his GPA and DAT scores DONT match up is because of the school he goes to. SUNY Farmingdale is barely a step up from a CC and infact most of my friends who drop out from upper level colleges and dont want to go to a CC will end up at SUNY farmingdale. On top of that speaking from what I have heard multiple times, Farmingdale is an EXTREMELY easy school. My roommate who is an economics major and a business minor took classes there over the summer and said that the business classes he took at farmingdale were jokes compared to the ones at Stony Brook. And Stony Brook isnt even a business school so I can only imagine what the science class differential would be like.

Maybe this will help clarify the skepticism between the GPA/DAT scores.

Edit:
Perfect example from the whole Farmingdale taking drop out students:
My brother had a full scholarship to Hofstra, got kicked out. Guess where hes at now.

ok maybe that's your opinion and that's nice and all but your talking about business classes. farmingdales science classes are comparable to stony Brooks science classes and I know this because friends who transferred from farmingdale to stony brook or vice versa said they were the same. I have friends who went to dental school and medical school from
farmingdale sooo I wouldnt exactly say it's am "easy" school if
your getting into medical school from there.

 

[Impulse155]

ok maybe that's your opinion and that's nice and all but your talking about business classes. farmingdales science classes are comparable to stony Brooks science classes and I know this because friends who transferred from farmingdale to stony brook or vice versa said they were the same. I have friends who went to dental school and medical school from
farmingdale sooo I wouldnt exactly say it's am "easy" school if
your getting into medical school from there.

Well to me it makes perfect sense as to why your GPA is so high and your DAT is not quite so high. I can also guarentee you that if I wanted I could trasnfer from Stony to Farmingdale with a 2.0 but you cant go from Farmingdale to Stony with a 2.0

 

[DJPaulyDDS]

yeaa sorry buddy. Farmingdale isn't the most rigorous school it was in fact a CC until a decade ago i beleive.. Stony is a tough school to excel in.

 

[amalgamgrillz]

ok maybe that's your opinion and that's nice and all but your talking about business classes. farmingdales science classes are comparable to stony Brooks science classes and I know this because friends who transferred from farmingdale to stony brook or vice versa said they were the same. I have friends who went to dental school and medical school from
farmingdale sooo I wouldnt exactly say it's am "easy" school if
your getting into medical school from there.

The debate is not whether or not you're dumb, nor is it about the quality of your education. Dental schools don't care where you go to undergrad (as long as it's not CC...even then, some accept CC, but that's a whole other debate)....what dental schools are probably shocked about is that you clearly aren't the genius that your GPA says you are (shown by your DAT score) OR that you just messed up that day. So re-take your DAT and show them that your 4.0 at farmers is equivalent to a 4.0 at a more well-known university.

The want to know your 4.0 is legit and not just because of an easier curriculum.

 

[doc toothache]

You could have skipped applying to a number of schools unless, by some chance, you could claim residency in about a dozen states. With your major, the dat score in bio should have been in the low 20's. You may not be a casualty of grade inflation but there are certainly signs of high altitude fever.

 

[johnnyboyy87]

The debate is not whether or not you're dumb, nor is it about the quality of your education. Dental schools don't care where you go to undergrad (as long as it's not CC...even then, some accept CC, but that's a whole other debate)....what dental schools are probably shocked about is that you clearly aren't the genius that your GPA says you are (shown by your DAT score) OR that you just messed up that day. So re-take your DAT and show them that your 4.0 at farmers is equivalent to a 4.0 at a more well-known university.

The want to know your 4.0 is legit and not just because of an easier curriculum.

honestly, I know the material well I'm familiar with all of it I've seen it a hundred times I just sit in that chair and **** myself.

 

[amalgamgrillz]

honestly, I know the material well I'm familiar with all of it I've seen it a hundred times I just sit in that chair and **** myself.

Well, if you can sit in your university chair and pull off a 3.95, I'm sure you can sit in a DAT chair and pull off a semi-decent score next time.. now that you know what to expect. You got this. Now show them what your 3.95 is made of.

 

[dentalWorks]

Okay this is going a little out of control, and many topics are being brought up that are not associated with what the OP is asking.

To OP:
Bottom line is this: your GPA SHOULD have gotten you more interviews (atleast one, ya know?), the avrg DAT for students who get accepted is about 19.2, which means, I HIGHLY doubt its your DAT thats holding you back....

Hows your ECs? How about your shadowing? Do you think you have good letters of recommendation? hows your personal statement? I know these things are secondary, but if they stink, they can lead to rejections / non-interview offers.

I don't believe you need to retake the DAT, but perhaps the BEST THING YOU CAN DO is to contact each of the school's individually, and ask them "whats up"... Ask them a worse case scenario, be like "So, say I get rejected from you school this cycle, what advice would you give me to best prepare myself for next cycle".

Also, if you have to apply next cycle, check out this thread (especially the first post), it lists most of the schools that are out-of-state friendly
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=635046

 

[johnnyboyy87]

Okay this is going a little out of control, and many topics are being brought up that are not associated with what the OP is asking.

To OP:
Bottom line is this: your GPA SHOULD have gotten you more interviews (atleast one, ya know?), the avrg DAT for students who get accepted is about 19.2, which means, I HIGHLY doubt its your DAT thats holding you back....

Hows your ECs? How about your shadowing? Do you think you have good letters of recommendation? hows your personal statement? I know these things are secondary, but if they stink, they can lead to rejections / non-interview offers.

I don't believe you need to retake the DAT, but perhaps the BEST THING YOU CAN DO is to contact each of the school's individually, and ask them "whats up"... Ask them a worse case scenario, be like "So, say I get rejected from you school this cycle, what advice would you give me to best prepare myself for next cycle".

Also, if you have to apply next cycle, check out this thread (especially the first post), it lists most of the schools that are out-of-state friendly
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=635046

thanks you are the only one that pretty much clearly answered me without jumping to another subject somehow. i shadowed a doctor and have been working for a different doctor as an assistant for almost a year now. my LORs are surely good because i made sure i got them from professors that i had a good relationship with. also my personal statement i had help from a professional. i had SOME volunteer work not much and i did belong to a few clubs in school. i am definately going to call schools monday and ask them whats going on and also call the schools i got rejected from to ask why.