What are reasons why becoming a nurse first, then a doctor, is not a good idea.

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Also don't go to med school if you are dead set on oncology or any other competitive specialty. Would you still go into medicine if you were in psych or family med or IM? If the answer is no then rethink your choice.

As someone asked people to explain this further I will somewhat disagree and somewhat agree:

First, oncology is not especially competitive. It is a fellowship after internal medicine which is not terribly competitive. If you are a solid medical student you will get a good IM position. If you get a solid IM position, you have a very strong likelihood of getting an onc fellowship. Even if you don't get a strong IM position, you still have a reasonable likelihood of getting an onc spot.

But to the underlying premise: If you want something very competitive and only something very competitive, realize that you also have a reasonable likelihood of being unable to match into a spot. Competitive residencies include: Ortho, ENT, Ophtho, Neurosurgery (not neurology), Derm and plastics would be considered competitive.
 
Bottom line is, don't do it. It's a waste of your time and money and it's not going to really help you all that much for getting into med school. You aren't going to be able to take med school pre-reqs while also trying to do nursing school. Nursing school has a set curriculum and you will be hard pressed to take on additional classes and do well in those pre-reqs, not to mention doing well in nursing school, which isn't easy. You very well could be setting yourself up for failure on both accounts, and for such little benefit to begin with.

Also, maybe I'm missing a cultural thing here, but who cares what your parents think. Time to put on your big girl pants and do what you want with your life.
 
I don't see the point in finding out what nursing school is like when one is interested in medicine. This plan seems to be a waste of time and money if op knows they want to become a physician


I agree, but I think it may be reasonable for some to not be totally sure, and at the same time, want to get, hopefully, strong clinical experience. Is it worth the money, time, aggravation? Probably not unless you are willing to defer for a matter of years. I said 5, but at the very least, 3 to five years FT experience in an area of acute or critical. That's where, IMHO, the experience may be most beneficial, and where it may be worth your while. If you are interested in just going straight into medicine, than it's probably not worthy the money, time, and stress. Your time investment is what MAY make the difference. I personally think you have to have a genuine interest in the field of nursing; but that's only one person's personal perspective...mine.
 
Here is perhaps one explanation for why specialized health science majors have the lowest acceptance rate. And it doesn't really deal with specialized health majors themselves.

The highest acceptance rates historically have been for those applicants in the 21-23 year old range(I cant seem to find the link that showed this data not sure if it is in the AAMC data tables). These tend to be the traditional applicants.....often times one could speculate these are the ones with the top credentials. A 3.9+/34+ candidate in many situations has no need to take a gap year to boost an application and often time has little desire to take more than a year off. I know in the past LizzyM has made similar types of comments about this.

One potential way to look at this is to see the median age of matriculants at top schools; from the albeit limited time I've spent looking at it it seems like many of the top schools have classes where the vast majority of applicants did not take more than a year or two off. As one particular example, only 7% of Northwesterns incoming class for last year took more than 1 year off.

The health science majors tend to be in fields where they are specializing in something with the specific interest to get a specific job after graduation, such as a BSN for nursing. These type of majors as has been said above often are older because either their degree takes longer to get or they work afterwards amongst a variety of other reasons.

So when I look at it I think perhaps the best explanation for why specialized science majors have the lowest acceptance rate doesn't directly deal with these majors themselves. Perhaps these majors don't necessairly bring on negative connotations all that often (although what gonnif has mentioned is certainly possible and probably is in certain apps). Maybe its simply that these type of majors tend not to be the type of people who apply at age 21-23 which is where the highest acceptance rate to med school lies. These types of majors perhaps don't attract the most "3.9/34+" top tier applicants; these type of applicants don't see the need to get a degree in nursing or something like that. There interest perhaps is far more academic usually and more hellbent on medicine initially.

Ultimately If we took out all the 3.9/34+ applicants and compared the remaining applicants acceptance rates; would we find as big a gap between vocational majors and other majors? My guess is maybe not.
 
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While the assumptions can be questioned, the causality mechanism must exist in some manner that explains why specialized health science majors have the lowest acceptance rate


Perhaps, but I am not completely clear on your point.

I do agree w/ other points you've made earlier--family, other non-trad factors that may be included.

Personally, I believe the majority of those in allied health and nursing are sufficiently satisfied in their roles, with regard to both income and work, such that adding in family other personalized factors, they just aren't willing to finish jumping through all the other hurdles to be considered top candidates for ms.

Add to that the relative ease with which they may pursue becoming midlevel provides, and it becomes a much simpler choice for them. I dare say, most people in health sciences may begin w/ a notional of medical school, but having been to the "circus" so to speak, and having seen the "show," they ultimately may choose to not give it their best effort, as compared to those that are traditional students, who fantasize about the "realities of medicine." There is a clear financial "BOOM" of reality that factors in as well.

Once you have the realities of family responsibilities on your plate, you may need to make certain concessions. Some people can overcome such obstacles if their drive is great enough, and if they have a solid base from which they are secure with say a spouse sufficiently meeting the family needs.

When you toss in family, however, there is no question that things become more complicated. Those individuals that do ms, w/ little to no support from a spouse or former spouse, but still jump through all the hurdles, well, I personally give them special accolades.

But there is also another reason why non-trade with settled family situations--kids are bit older and can fend more so for themselves hopefully and have enough survival support may make even more excellent candidates for medical school. These are those w/ great passion for medicine, and to dissuade them simply b/c of age is a terrible mistake. They are more sure many times that this is what they want to do for the rest of their lives--my God, especially if they are nurses, RRTs, or other allied health. If they are willing to do the hoops at this point in their lives, they usually mean serious business--and the seriousness of it all has a much more realistic and less fantasy-filled perspective.
 
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My point simply is that there is some discernible set of reasons or causality that would explain why specialized health science majors have the worst acceptance rate to medical school. There just isnt sufficient data to do so thus assumptions are all we have to model this social reality

Reasonable assumptions, given the realities of life as a non-trad w/ family responsibilities. And of course, why would there be enough data? You'd have to get a nice cohort of health science people, who have applied to ms, and then look at the differences between those that were accepted and those that weren't, and follow up with further similar studies. LOL Who is really going to do this? It would be interesting to evaluate.

A good number of nurses and respiratory therapists and such have gone on to become physicians. Personally I think it comes down to motivation, enough smarts, and where they are in their lives.
 
Well he is wrong. Not all people will end up as a PCP, and you have the power to put the effort (research, study) if you want to match in the specialty that you want.
He is not wrong... The level of competition in med school is crazy especially if you go to a school that rank you on every single exam (yes my school does 🙁). Almost everyone studies their butt off, and yet half of the class will end up scoring below average regardless.
 
It's a complete waste of time and time is money. Whether you realize it or not, your time is [potentially] valuable.
It's not a complete waste of time! Not everyone is going to end up with an acceptance even after 2+ attempts. I know a RN nurse who gave up after 2 attempts and that nursing degree was a good back up plan.

The only downside of doing nursing is that it might take one more than 4 years to complete med school prereqs...
 
He is not wrong... The level of competition in med school is crazy especially if you go to a school that rank you on every single exam (yes my school does 🙁). Almost everyone studies their butt off, and yet half of the class will end up scoring below average regardless.
Cheer up, buddy. :highfive:
 
It's not a complete waste of time! Not everyone is going to end up with an acceptance even after 2+ attempts. I know a RN nurse who gave up after 2 attempts and that nursing degree was a good back up plan.

The only downside of doing nursing is that it might take one more than 4 years to complete med school prereqs...
There is something wrong when one is spending more time and effort in a back up plan instead of focusing that same time and effort into medicine don't you think?
 
There is something wrong when one is spending more time and effort in a back up plan instead of focusing that same time and effort into medicine don't you think?
To each their own... I don't think there is anything wrong with that to be honest... Med school (especially DO) seems to be gearing toward accepting people with HCE... I think having a nursing degree is a plus as long as you are able to articulate why you are making the transition from RN to MD/DO... At least it was a plus for me and many of my friends who decided to pursue MD/DO, PA and pharmacy...
 
To each their own... I don't think there is anything wrong with that to be honest... Med school (especially DO) seems to be gearing toward accepting people with HCE... I think having a nursing degree is a plus as long as you are able to articulate why you are making the transition from RN to MD/DO... At least it was a plus for me and many of my friends who decided to pursue MD/DO and pharmacy...
that effort is not worth it unless you genuinely wanted to do nursing, then changed your mind and went into medicine
 
I have wanted to do this for a long time with ages/nontrads applicants. That is control for GPA and MCAT and see if the acceptance rate varies significantly via age. The data exists but now AAMC requires both a proposal as well as $$$ to get it. Not like some 10 years ago where they would send me the entire data in the form of an excel spreadsheet that was thousands of pages long

It is kind of fascinating how there is so much data available for all the little nuances of looking at race, demographics and other factors for an applicant population but there is nothing with something as simple as age of applicants.

I know LizzyM has said in the past the acceptance rate for applicants in the 21-23 year old range is over 50%. Not sure if that is in reference to what AAMC posts publicly or some knowledge she has well beyond that. So I don't doubt the acceptance rate declines as you get older. Given that, I do think when you have a gap like that in acceptance rate where its over 50% for 21-23 year olds that stats are a factor and that the 21-23 year olds probably have better stats on average.

What I do wonder is do you by chance the age of vocational type major applicants to med school on average? I know you were talking about lacking data that could control for GPA/MCAT, but do you by chance know of any data that shows the average age of vocational majors applying to med school? I expect it to be higher than other majors but how much higher is the major question.
 
that effort is not worth it unless you genuinely wanted to do nursing, then changed your mind and went into medicine
I see where you are coming from... But you have to look at the practical aspect of getting a nursing degree instead of a bio degree... Let say OP can't get or is not able to pursue med school due to whatever life circumstances, it will be easier for him to become a NP/PA ect... Some people approach life differently! The RN is a platform that will give OP many options. 'Genuineness' has nothing to do with it...
 
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Shiiii when you put it that way it sounds cool! I'm going the paramedic route, though.

The what you bolded won't apply, BSN makes a ton more than paramedics. The agencies that pay well won't hire you to work for just your gap year, getting on at those places takes months as well. You'd likely be looking at a private service unless your a basic right now and your admin is cool with you just moving up. I worked for a top notch gov ems agency and made $26/hr, then I worked for a private company and made $9/hr on a 24hr shift and $16 on an 8hr shift, and that's with 6 years experience.
 
Honestly, it makes no sense to me to go med school route if you only want to do primary care. Just do PA and enjoy your twenties, you will catch up to the knowledge of a doc eventually. NP is even more autonomy, but of course shady education.

LOL
 
The what you bolded won't apply, BSN makes a ton more than paramedics. The agencies that pay well won't hire you to work for just your gap year, getting on at those places takes months as well. You'd likely be looking at a private service unless your a basic right now and your admin is cool with you just moving up. I worked for a top notch gov ems agency and made $26/hr, then I worked for a private company and made $9/hr on a 24hr shift and $16 on an 8hr shift, and that's with 6 years experience.
I know. Going to PM you with some questions and tell you my plans.
 
It's not a complete waste of time! Not everyone is going to end up with an acceptance even after 2+ attempts. I know a RN nurse who gave up after 2 attempts and that nursing degree was a good back up plan.

The only downside of doing nursing is that it might take one more than 4 years to complete med school prereqs...

If one's goal is to be a doctor, it is a waste of time. Being a nurse certainly is NOT a waste of time. If someone is planning on failing multiple times in applying, then yeah, nursing would be okay. But those people really should save their effort with regard to applying to medical school. Thus, if the OP is indeed serious about putting in the time and work to be a successful applicant, an RN (or BSN etc) would be a waste of time.
 
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