What are the consequences of practicing in underserved areas?

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I hear that practicing in underserved areas, though highly respectful, practicing in these locations have higher risk of getting sued and lower pay due to greater proportion of Medicaid patients.
Are these true? and what are the other negative consequence?

One positive side I heard is that physicians enjoy greater independence. Any other benefits?
 
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I've heard that you turn into a socialist and the ghost of Ayn Rand comes to rattle her gold chains in your attic at night.

Sorry, I actually don't have a useful answer. The medicaid thing may be accurate, depending. It also depends if you are doing rural or urban, and what kind of underserved you mean. Underserved can be both geographic or population-based. The doc I shadowed (who has my dream job) is on a NHSC contract at a nonprofit downtown serving homeless folks. Most of the care is grant-funded and so they just have a salary instead of working fee for service, since most of the patients can't pay more than $10 or so.
 
how about the joy you get from helping others who really need it the most? does it really matter how much money you make? I'm sorry I don't want to sound idealistic or that but coming from an under served area myself I would love to have the opportunity to practice medicine in a similar community in the future.
 
The Medicaid part is true, if nothing else; a significant percentage of physicians refuse to take it at all for that very reason. In addition, studies have shown that, for the physicians that do take it, the patient on Medicaid will, on average, wait around three weeks longer (I believe it was three weeks) for an appointment than the one taking private insurance.

I have not heard anything about malpractice; however, I would be interested to see if one can cite a source to back up that claim.

how about the joy you get from helping others who really need it the most? does it really matter how much money you make? I'm sorry I don't want to sound idealistic or that but coming from an under served area myself I would love to have the opportunity to practice medicine in a similar community in the future.
As someone who has Medicaid, I can understand this ideal and, to some extent, agree with it; however, as much as it brings me significant anxiety to think about it (finding a physician to see, for the above reasons, can be an ordeal), I can understand where the physicians are coming from. With smaller practices, it is actually possible to lose money by seeing too many Medicaid patients and that can make it difficult to effectively run a practice. When you add on 200k+ in loans, it's easy to understand why many doctors are closing their doors to Medicaid patients.

It's frustrating and something, certainly, needs to be done. Reimbursements need to be higher or, at the very minimum, they need to stop going down. In light of the Obama administration's cry to make healthcare available to everyone, I find it painfully hypocritical when any other approach to reimbursements is taken. Though I could be wrong, I have a feeling it is only going to get worse, too. With outcome-based reimbursements, I can see even more physicians turning away patients from a low socioeconomic background -- who, I am going to assume, have worse outcomes -- to avoid incurring penalties.
 
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I would expect the exact opposite regarding lawsuits, for a whole host of reasons.
 
As someone who has Medicaid, I can understand this...

In light of the Obama administration's cry to make healthcare available to everyone...

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edit: Actually I think I read 'cry' as being more disapproving than you meant it to be. Sorry! I agree.
 
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I volunteer at a county health clinic and I can tell you the clients had the worst attitude and expected everything to be done perfect even though they never paid a penny.
 
I would expect the exact opposite regarding lawsuits, for a whole host of reasons.
This was my inclination, as well.

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edit: Actually I think I read 'cry' as being more disapproving than you meant it to be. Sorry! I agree.

Most likely. I am a huge advocate for lessening health disparities and increasing access. I'm just frustrated at A) The way the Obama administration has gone about attempting to do this and B) actions they have taken that appear to be either hypocritical or ignorant and incredibly counter-productive.

Sorry if the wording of my post caused any confusion!

I volunteer at a county health clinic and I can tell you the clients had the worst attitude and expected everything to be done perfect even though they never paid a penny.
Why, kind sir, thank you for implying huge generalizations! I will state that I, along with many others I know who are un-or-under-insured, are incredibly appreciative and thankful for all the care that we have received (because many of us have lived without it).

Also, you seem to think that (privately) insured patients will be significantly better. This whole country -- both poor and rich -- has a tendency to be incredibly unappreciative and demanding of the medical care they receive.
 
I volunteer at a county health clinic and I can tell you the clients had the worst attitude and expected everything to be done perfect even though they never paid a penny.

Let's not overly generalize here, in this country time and time again I've noticed an annoying sense of entitlement from a lot of people, all from different walks of life.
 
Most likely. I am a huge advocate for lessening health disparities and increasing access. I'm just frustrated at A) The way the Obama administration has gone about attempting to do this and B) actions they have taken that appear to be either hypocritical or ignorant and incredibly counter-productive.

It's politics. Be too idealistic and you'll get burned. And don't believe everything that they propose. A lot of that stuff's not going to get passed into law.
 
It's politics. Be too idealistic and you'll get burned. And don't believe everything that they propose. A lot of that stuff's not going to get passed into law.

To be honest, I never was idealistic about or had faith in Obama. He always came off as being incredibly naive and unaware about how politics, executive positions, people and -- in general -- the world worked; he also had no prior experience that would prepare him for the job in the slightest (ie, no experience with executive positions -- particularly those in the public sector). I believe that, ultimately, his intentions are good; but I don't think he has a clue, either.

Outcome-based reimbursement was included in PPACA (aka, "Obamacare'), which [obviously] did pass. I only to hope God that, when the time comes, something is done to stop it from being implemented.

EDIT: Also..

One positive side I heard is that physicians enjoy greater independence. Any other benefits?
A) If you are passionate about it, potentiality increased satisfaction from job knowing you are helping the most needy.
B) Loan-repayment programs
C) If you're interested, I would speculate there is a greater ability to be involved in public-health related things
 
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To be honest, I never was idealistic about or had faith in Obama. He always came off as being incredibly naive and unaware about how politics, executive positions, people and -- in general -- the world worked; he also had no prior experience that would prepare him for the job in the slightest (ie, no experience with executive positions -- particularly those in the public sector). I believe that, ultimately, his intentions are good; but I don't think he has a clue, either.

Outcome-based reimbursement was included in PPACA (aka, "Obamacare'), which [obviously] did pass. I only to hope God that, when the time comes, something is done to stop it from being implemented.

Lazy analysis. It's very hard to come out on top politically when the other side is doing nothing but kicking sand in the gears of the governing process. I agree that Obama has seemed to give too much ground at times, but he extracted key concessions and it would usually turn out, in the end, that it was the other side who had been bamboozled (e.g., debt ceiling "deal", govt. shutdown "deal").

As we've seen, Obama's "reasonable guy in the room" posture has set up a marked contrast with his fanatical opponents, and it's given him the political space to start hammering them for their intransigence. Obama's approval rating is still below 50%, true, but everyone else's is much worse. Seems to me like the man knows what he's doing, and he's been handling crisis after crisis with general aplomb. (Not to say Obama's been perfect, but your half-hearted accusations of incompetence, I guess for the purpose of sounding high-mindedly noncommittal, just don't square with what most of us are seeing.)

With regard to "outcome-based reimbursement", presumably you mean the cost savings programs, like bundled payments or accountable care organizations (ACOs), which have been included in the PPACA only as pilot programs to study their effects on healthcare cost containment. No reason to get all hot and bothered about it just yet.

To the OP, I highly doubt that medically underserved patients are more litigious than privileged suburbanites. Malpractice premiums are much lower in rural states compared to states like Florida, for example, and poorer urban patients tend to have less access to the legal services they'd need to mount a lawsuit.
 
As someone who has Medicaid, I can understand this ideal and, to some extent, agree with it; however, as much as it brings me significant anxiety to think about it (finding a physician to see, for the above reasons, can be an ordeal), I can understand where the physicians are coming from. With smaller practices, it is actually possible to lose money by seeing too many Medicaid patients and that can make it difficult to effectively run a practice. When you add on 200k+ in loans, it's easy to understand why many doctors are closing their doors to Medicaid patients.

It's frustrating and something, certainly, needs to be done. Reimbursements need to be higher or, at the very minimum, they need to stop going down.

As you know, Medicaid is run by the individual states (who don't print their own money and can't run long-term deficits), though it is subsidized with federal funds. In fact, a large portion of the maligned 2009 stimulus package was in the form of aid to the states, most of which was used for the purpose of staving off Medicaid cuts and mass layoffs for teachers. Clearly what we need are higher federal subsidies to raise Medicaid reimbursement rates to reduce the disparity with Medicare and private plans. Why, wasn't there a law passed recently that did just that??
 
Don't forget Joe Lieberman's person vendetta against anyone who's ever once had a single liberal idea in their lives. He was the one who killed Medicare-for-All. And then there's lovely people like my own Mary Landrieu.

The Turncoat Caucus was large enough to run out the clock until Ted Kennedy died. It worked.
 
Don't forget the added benefit of getting a nice tan 🙂 a lot of our territories count as underserved and work for the repayment programs (like American Samoa, the Virgin Islands, I think Guam, etc.). 🙂
 
As you know, Medicaid is run by the individual states (who don't print their own money and can't run long-term deficits), though it is subsidized with federal funds. In fact, a large portion of the maligned 2009 stimulus package was in the form of aid to the states, most of which was used for the purpose of staving off Medicaid cuts and mass layoffs for teachers. Clearly what we need are higher federal subsidies to raise Medicaid reimbursement rates to reduce the disparity with Medicare and private plans. Why, wasn't there a law passed recently that did just that??

Wow, I am highly impressed with your knowledge. But I still believe that despite subsidies, few would be inclined to practice in archaic rural areas and dangerous inner cities and serve Medicaid patients for extended period of time especially when these devoted physicians start to have families. So I believe that the best approach is to work with AMA or form a political organization and exert influence on politicians. Do you think it's practical for physicians to form a political organization like AMA or PNHP and influence the politics to provide more incentives and rewards to physicians serving the underserved areas?
 
I would be very interested in seeing the statistics comparing the frequency of malpractice suits sought in urban, underserved areas in comparison to more affluent areas.

Reasoning gives me a particular prediction, but I'll like to see some hard numbers.

and what would you predict? I think there would be less - lack of funds to afford a lawyer.
edit: oh wow flodhi, just skimmed your article.


Biggest problems IMO - crime, self-pay patient stiffing you, and likely a long commute (doubt you'll live there and send your kids to the same fail factory schools)
 
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Lazy analysis. It's very hard to come out on top politically when the other side is doing nothing but kicking sand in the gears of the governing process. I agree that Obama has seemed to give too much ground at times, but he extracted key concessions and it would usually turn out, in the end, that it was the other side who had been bamboozled (e.g., debt ceiling "deal", govt. shutdown "deal").

As we've seen, Obama's "reasonable guy in the room" posture has set up a marked contrast with his fanatical opponents, and it's given him the political space to start hammering them for their intransigence. Obama's approval rating is still below 50%, true, but everyone else's is much worse. Seems to me like the man knows what he's doing, and he's been handling crisis after crisis with general aplomb. (Not to say Obama's been perfect, but your half-hearted accusations of incompetence, I guess for the purpose of sounding high-mindedly noncommittal, just don't square with what most of us are seeing.)

With regard to "outcome-based reimbursement", presumably you mean the cost savings programs, like bundled payments or accountable care organizations (ACOs), which have been included in the PPACA only as pilot programs to study their effects on healthcare cost containment. No reason to get all hot and bothered about it just yet.

To the OP, I highly doubt that medically underserved patients are more litigious than privileged suburbanites. Malpractice premiums are much lower in rural states compared to states like Florida, for example, and poorer urban patients tend to have less access to the legal services they'd need to mount a lawsuit.
This.👍
 
and what would you predict? I think there would be less - lack of funds to afford a lawyer.
edit: oh wow flodhi, just skimmed your article.
I doubt this is a serious inhibitor to a poor patient suing considering the glut of lawyers who can't find respectable jobs these days. There are plenty of lawyers willing to do a few hours worth of paperwork to file a suit in exchange for a third or more of the payout. Many lawyers work on commission, requiring no money up front from their clients.
 
But I still believe that despite subsidies, few would be inclined to practice in archaic rural areas and dangerous inner cities and serve Medicaid patients for extended period of time especially when these devoted physicians start to have families. So I believe that the best approach is to work with AMA or form a political organization and exert influence on politicians. Do you think it's practical for physicians to form a political organization like AMA or PNHP and influence the politics to provide more incentives and rewards to physicians serving the underserved areas?

First point, from what I've read, most doctors avoid having an all-Medicaid practice. To the extent they do accept Medicaid patients, physicians try to balance them out with privately insured patients whose higher reimbursements will partially make up for Medicaid's meager offerings. Medicaid patients also tend to receive less care overall (a couple fewer tests, a shorter doctor visits) than privately insured patients. So yes, it's not an ideal situation, but even in medically underserved areas the population is not 100% Medicaid.

As far as the politics, could organizations like AMA, PNHP or NMA do a better job of pushing for the interests of Medicaid beneficiaries? Sure, but last year we prioritized expanding access to the uninsured. In the end, though, the inherent problem is that the kind of physicians who work in medically underserved areas and rely heavily on Medicaid reimbursements are not the ones with extra cash lying around for political lobbying. Large hospital providers who treat poor patients have some clout, true. However, they are probably more preoccupied with the constant negotiation with private insurers (the ones who actually fund the hospital) and getting reimbursed for uninsured emergency department patients whom they're obligated to treat under the EMTALA passed by Congress in 1986.
 
"Remember, there are NO fees unless WE make money for YOU!"

"I want to make you MONEY! Our services are completely FREE until we get YOU the MONEY you DESERVE!"


...just a couple of the hourly legal commercials propagated on my local TV stations (capitalization of words to emphasize the lawyer's stressed words).

I have had the good fortune of residing in both a very poor area and also in a more affluent area while growing up. From my own observations, the individuals I encountered while in the poor region was much more openly litigatious about "suing" physicians...stores...old employers...et al.

Perhaps the people from the affluent region were 'foaming at the mouth' to the same degree about hiring a lawyer and collecting some cash settlements, but if so they aren't as open about it.

Disclaimer: this is my own limited observation (maybe n=1000?) from the specific region/s which I lived growing up. Samples were not random 😛

I see, I see. Well just another reason for me the step aside and let others serve them 😛. I'll shoot for the for-profit suburban hospitals
 
"Remember, there are NO fees unless WE make money for YOU!"

"I want to make you MONEY! Our services are completely FREE until we get YOU the MONEY you DESERVE!"


...just a couple of the hourly legal commercials propagated on my local TV stations (capitalization of words to emphasize the lawyer's stressed words).

I have had the good fortune of residing in both a very poor area and also in a more affluent area while growing up. From my own observations, the individuals I encountered while in the poor region were much more openly litigatious about "suing" physicians...stores...old employers...et al.

Perhaps the people from the affluent region were 'foaming at the mouth' to the same degree about hiring a lawyer and collecting some cash settlements, but if so they aren't as open about it.

Disclaimer: this is my own limited observation (maybe n=1000?) from the specific region/s which I lived growing up. Samples were not random 😛
This was my take on the climate as well, and has been reinforced by doctors' comments both on here and in person.
 
There are plenty of lawyers willing to do a few hours worth of paperwork to file a suit in exchange for a third or more of the payout.

A few hours. Right. Because obviously once you file your bogus suit the judge and jury rubber stamp it and thus megabux, meanwhile you've filed 2,000 more.

Oh, and all that paperwork is free to file, and if you lose a suit it's no skin off your nose.

:smack:
 
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As you know, Medicaid is run by the individual states (who don't print their own money and can't run long-term deficits), though it is subsidized with federal funds. In fact, a large portion of the maligned 2009 stimulus package was in the form of aid to the states, most of which was used for the purpose of staving off Medicaid cuts and mass layoffs for teachers. Clearly what we need are higher federal subsidies to raise Medicaid reimbursement rates to reduce the disparity with Medicare and private plans. Why, wasn't there a law passed recently that did just that??

I'm not sure what you are disagreeing with in my post?

I realize that Medicaid is run by each individual state and that a good deal of work has been put in to keep things from becoming disastrously worse; however, it is still also true that Medicaid pays less than other insurances and that many physicians are turning Medicaid patients away or forcing them to wait longer for an appointment. (Edit: Realized its locked. Hold on. I'll try to find an unlocked copy. Edit 2.0: Click here). I know that, in my area, it is almost impossible to see a specialist if you have Medicaid; I often have to go out-of-county (45 - 50+ minute drive), despite the fact there is no shortage of that specialty in my own. The only reason I still have a local PCP (small, group practice), in fact, is because they allowed already established patients to continue on as patients even after they stopped accepting Medicaid.

Yes, there was a law passed recently for that purpose; however, the trend is still that reimbursements will continue to get lower.

Lazy analysis. It's very hard to come out on top politically when the other side is doing nothing but kicking sand in the gears of the governing process. I agree that Obama has seemed to give too much ground at times, but he extracted key concessions and it would usually turn out, in the end, that it was the other side who had been bamboozled (e.g., debt ceiling "deal", govt. shutdown "deal").
When did I complain about Obama giving too much ground? Read my posts again -- I didn't.

With the way the Tea Party is acting (ie, anything you say is wrong and we will stop you), I'm not expecting him to get every bill through. I wouldn't expect that, anyways (of course, when PPACA was passed, there was a Democratic majority). My complaints concern his comments and speeches just as much as they do his actions. From the time of the first election, in fact, this was my impression of him: inexperienced, naive, idealistic and not sure how things worked. This doesn't just to apply to health care, either (ex, foreign policy. There were numerous times he stated during the original campaign that he would meet with leaders of countries such as Iran without preconditions. While this may sound good on paper to many, in reality, it would be a horrendous idea. Comments like this showed me he really didn't understand what he was getting himself into or how politics worked. There are other examples, if you would like me to post them).

As for it being a lazy analysis, I wasn't attempting to write an academic analysis. I was stating an opinion and frustration. You yourself made a lazy assumption, here: that I was simply one of many who felt he hadn't been tough enough. That wasn't what I said.

As we've seen, Obama's "reasonable guy in the room" posture has set up a marked contrast with his fanatical opponents, and it's given him the political space to start hammering them for their intransigence.
I agree that the GOP has taken a fanatical and frightening turn that is unhealthy for this country. They have developed an inability to negotiate or have a reasonable discussion.

Obama's approval rating is still below 50%, true, but everyone else's is much worse.
A candidate's approval rating proves nothing other than that a certain percentage of
the voting population approves of that candidate. That said, I do believe -- out of our current options -- he is likely the best option we have due to the fact he is non-fanatical (Romney would be survivable, too, in my opinion; just not my first choice for numerous reasons). This does not change my opinion of him, however, nor does it mean I think he is necessarily a good president, either; I do think that he is better than the others out there and that he is not a bad president, per se.

Seems to me like the man knows what he's doing, and he's been handling crisis after crisis with general aplomb. (Not to say Obama's been perfect, but your half-hearted accusations of incompetence, I guess for the purpose of sounding high-mindedly noncommittal, just don't square with what most of us are seeing.)
No, it does not mean that he knows what he is doing. It does mean that he is not horrendous (I agree) and that he is an astounding public speaker; but that is all. I also have no doubt he is confident, self-assured and able to keep his cool. That, once again, does not equate to not being naive.

You are speaking as if I am one of those Tea Party, Obama-bashing fanatics or disillusioned former Obama supporter. I am not. I am, however, a left-leaning moderate and pragmatist. When I see what Obama has done and listen to what he has said, I see someone who has the best intentions and highest ideals; who has the ability to inspire entire generations of people; and who wants to do good. I also see someone who came in with inadequate executive experience, which ended up hurting him as he attempted to adjust to his role as President; who holds his ideals so strongly that he cannot see what is and is not practical at the moment; who takes actions and pushes laws without a clear understanding of how they will impact the "real world"; and who was taken off guard by the opposition that he faced and spent too long hoping people would do the right thing. These are the traits I would want to see in a friend or family member, not a president.

Furthurmore, I am also not adamantly apposed to the PPACA. There are parts that I am against, as I have expressed; however, there is also a lot that I support and I believe that those parts will do a lot of good.

Please do not pigeonhole everyone who has some disagreement about Obama, PPACA, etc into one group that you have imagined us all to fit into.

With regard to "outcome-based reimbursement", presumably you mean the cost savings programs, like bundled payments or accountable care organizations (ACOs), which have been included in the PPACA only as pilot programs to study their effects on healthcare cost containment. No reason to get all hot and bothered about it just yet.
I am talking about ACOs.
This is what I am referring to (pg 4):

Linking Payment to Quality Outcomes in Medicare: A value-based purchasing program for hospitals will launch in FY2013 will link Medicare payments to quality performance on common, high-cost conditions such as cardiac, surgical and pneumonia care. The Physician Quality Reporting Initiative (PQRI) is extended through 2014, with incentives for physicians to report Medicare quality data – physicians will receive feedback reports beginning in 2012. Long-term care hospitals, inpatient rehabilitation facilities and hospice providers will participate in value-based purchasing with quality measure reporting starting in FY2014, with penalties for non-participating providers.
It is already starting, too.

Here is an April article from Kaiser.
Here is a related commentary on NPR's Health Blog.

To the OP, I highly doubt that medically underserved patients are more litigious than privileged suburbanites. Malpractice premiums are much lower in rural states compared to states like Florida, for example, and poorer urban patients tend to have less access to the legal services they'd need to mount a lawsuit.
This, I agree with.

First point, from what I've read, most doctors avoid having an all-Medicaid practice. To the extent they do accept Medicaid patients, physicians try to balance them out with privately insured patients whose higher reimbursements will partially make up for Medicaid's meager offerings.
False. Many physicians refuse completely. Read the WSJ article.

Medicaid patients also tend to receive less care overall (a couple fewer tests, a shorter doctor visits) than privately insured patients. So yes, it's not an ideal situation, but even in medically underserved areas the population is not 100% Medicaid.
This (the bolded) is true -- they also wait longer for an appointment.

While no area is 100% Medicaid, you underestimate the impact even a few patients can have. Many physicians lose money by seeing Medicaid patients and, as such, struggle while taking them or refuse to see them.

As far as the politics, could organizations like AMA, PNHP or NMA do a better job of pushing for the interests of Medicaid beneficiaries? Sure, but last year we prioritized expanding access to the uninsured. In the end, though, the inherent problem is that the kind of physicians who work in medically underserved areas and rely heavily on Medicaid reimbursements are not the ones with extra cash lying around for political lobbying. Large hospital providers who treat poor patients have some clout, true. However, they are probably more preoccupied with the constant negotiation with private insurers (the ones who actually fund the hospital) and getting reimbursed for uninsured emergency department patients whom they're obligated to treat under the EMTALA passed by Congress in 1986.
No disagreements here.

Though, even if it was made a priority, he (Obama) is still doing it wrong and with ignorance.

I see, I see. Well just another reason for me the step aside and let others serve them 😛. I'll shoot for the for-profit suburban hospitals

Your upper-middle class patients will sue you, too -- including those at the for-profit suburban hospitals.

Tell this to the ER physician who becomes the primary care provider for those Medicaid patients.
They primarily become the PCP for the uninsured. In areas with a lot of physicians refusing to take patients, having them wait longer for appointments and/or without urgent care centers that take Medicaid, yes, I can see this happening.
 
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http://www.medicalmalpractice.com/National-Medical-Malpractice-Facts.cfm

An extract from above:

"13. Between 44,000 and 98,000 people die in hospitals annually each year due to preventable medical errors, the Institute of Medicine found. A survey of doctors and other adults released in December in the New England Journal of Medicine found that more than a third of the doctors said they or their family members had experienced medical errors, most leading to serious health consequences. The cost to society in terms of disability and health care costs, lost income, lost household production and the personal costs of care are estimated to be between $17 billion and $29 billion. In contrast, the medical liability system costs $6.7 billion annually, about what is spent on dog food each year."

Emphasis added by me.
 
Hey guys, thank you for incisive replies.

I have a question to you. How does organizations like AMA influences government? I hear that AMA, while protecting physicians' financial interests, does propose ideas to fight the disparities. Do they mainly use lobbyists??
 
Hey guys, thank you for incisive replies.

I have a question to you. How does organizations like AMA influences government? I hear that AMA, while protecting physicians' financial interests, does propose ideas to fight the disparities. Do they mainly use lobbyists??
To the bolded: Yes, from what I have heard, they primarily depend on lobbyists.

You are also correct in saying that they are involved in some advocacy related to health disparities. Here is the section of their website concerning advocacy work (includes all advocacy) if you want to learn more about what the AMA does.

Just a note: There are a lot of positions the AMA holds that the majority of physicians do not agree with. Keep that in mind.
 
As a student in the CDU/UCLA program, this thread hits home for me. First let's change the thread title to benefits of working in an underserved area.

More to come later when I get over the post-finals brain dead period.
 
I doubt this is a serious inhibitor to a poor patient suing considering the glut of lawyers who can't find respectable jobs these days. There are plenty of lawyers willing to do a few hours worth of paperwork to file a suit in exchange for a third or more of the payout. Many lawyers work on commission, requiring no money up front from their clients.

Not "commission", -- contingency fees. If the plaintiff wins, the lawyer gets a third. It's why poor people are targeted on those TV lawyer adds -- they are the ones who don't already have lawyers.

I don't think the underserved sue more than anyone else necessarily. Suits tend to vary based on 1) specialty, and 2) location -- there are some parts of the country where jury awards are simply higher, and thus more people sue in hopes of a windfall.
 
A few hours. Right. Because obviously once you file your bogus suit the judge and jury rubber stamp it and thus megabux, meanwhile you've filed 2,000 more.

Oh, and all that paperwork is free to file, and if you lose a suit it's no skin off your nose.

:smack:
So you are honestly claiming there are are not plenty of lawyers out there, posting ads and chasing ambulances, offering to file suits at no cost unless the defendant pays? 🙄 OK.
 
Not "commission", -- contingency fees. If the plaintiff wins, the lawyer gets a third. It's why poor people are targeted on those TV lawyer adds -- they are the ones who don't already have lawyers.

I don't think the underserved sue more than anyone else necessarily. Suits tend to vary based on 1) specialty, and 2) location -- there are some parts of the country where jury awards are simply higher, and thus more people sue in hopes of a windfall.
Sorry for the wrong term, though I would swear I have heard it called "commission" before...😕

I absolutely agree that middle class and the rich are very lawsuit happy as well, but there is no real barrier to getting a lawyer willing to sue on your behalf if your case has any merit at all (and often even if it doesn't) just because you are poor.
 
Sorry for the wrong term, though I would swear I have heard it called "commission" before...😕

I absolutely agree that middle class and the rich are very lawsuit happy as well, but there is no real barrier to getting a lawyer willing to sue on your behalf if your case has any merit at all (and often even if it doesn't) just because you are poor.

You can get a lawyer to take a case on contingency fee whether you are rich or poor. You are just less likely to hire one off the TV or the back of a matchbook cover if you are well to do.
 
As a student in the CDU/UCLA program, this thread hits home for me. First let's change the thread title to benefits of working in an underserved area.

More to come later when I get over the post-finals brain dead period.


just changed! hopefully it works.
Please enlighten us!!! :luck:
 
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