What are the Hot New Markets/Locales for Pain Fellow Grads?

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1. Austin
2. Dallas
3. Arizona
4. Tennessee
5. North Carolina
6. Nevada
7. Salt Lake City/Utah
9. Boise
10. Arkansas
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drusso said:
1. Austin
2. Dallas
3. Arizona
4. Tennessee
5. North Carolina
6. Nevada
7. Salt Lake City/Utah
9. Boise
10. Arkansas
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What is your source? Are you a part of an academic pain program?
 
bedrock said:
Not Boise, Dallas, Salt Lake City. Even Phoenix and Charlotte are only purple.

not all cities are run exclusively by democrats, thankfully.
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Dallas is definitely blue. Next door Fort Worth is basically purple.
 
is there an ideal timeline for pain fellows looking for jobs in a bigger market vs more rural?
 
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I can’t imagine how Utah is a hot market. It is notoriously underpaying.
 
Dansk2011 said:
Not a great market. Very saturated. Other parts of CO area pretty open though.
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nvrsumr said:
Desirability and ease of entry into market are inversely related
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There are some possibilities in rural Colorado. However it’s quite saturated with pain physicians across the entire front range. (Colorado springs through Denver and up to Fort Collins)

nvrsumr has it exactly. Anyplace that is desirable is a much harder area to find a job and get paid decently by local insurance companies.

if you like living in BFE, there are good pain jobs to be found, just not in desirable areas.

It’s almost impossible to find a physician job that pays well, has decent hours/commute, and is in a desirable area.

Best you can hope for is two out of three.
 
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bedrock said:
Not Boise, Dallas, Salt Lake City. Even Phoenix and Charlotte are only purple.

not all cities are run exclusively by democrats, thankfully.
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Give you Phoenix and Boise the others not so much​

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Politics & Voting in Charlotte, North Carolina​

The Political Climate in Charlotte, NC is Somewhat liberal.
Mecklenburg County, NC is Somewhat liberal. In Mecklenburg County, NC 62.3% of the people voted Democrat in the last presidential election, 32.9% voted for the Republican Party, and the remaining 4.8% voted Independent.

The Political Climate in Salt Lake City, UT is Somewhat liberal.

Salt Lake County, UT is Leaning liberal. In Salt Lake County, UT 41.5% of the people voted Democrat in the last presidential election, 32.6% voted for the Republican Party, and the remaining 25.9% voted Independent.

The Political Climate in Dallas, TX is Moderately liberal.

Dallas County, TX is Somewhat liberal. In Dallas County, TX 60.2% of the people voted Democrat in the last presidential election, 34.3% voted for the Republican Party, and the remaining 5.4% voted Independent.
 
p6917 said:
Anyone have insights about the DC area market?

And as a general question I’ve heard the job market has been tight due to an increase in sports&spine PM&R grads?
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DC market is very tight. National Spine is always usually expanding and hiring. Occasional small practices are hiring- group in Waldorf, Fairfax, or Odenton (check job boards). Tough to find a good hospital based or academic job. Depends on what you are looking for.
 
You can still go to a saturated area, you need to work on your marketing and communication skills. Some people here just don’t want the competition 😉
 
Anywhere that is rural, has an aging population, and a big heroin problem. Correlate clinically.
 
Insert the usual line of discouragement from Doctors: "it's too hard to open up your own practice, quit and abandon now. cities are all saturated, you must go to BFE." Most places can be done, perhaps Beverly Hills is super saturated, but you could definitely open a place up somewhere else in SoCal. The tough part will be cost of office/overhead, taxes, etc cutting into your profits. So Sometimes SoHo NYC may not be the best idea versus Phoenix for example or Dallas. Insurance panels are a hassle, but eventually you'll be fine, just not as quick as you'd like.
 
GatorCHOMPions said:
What’s the general job market in NJ, NoVA, or SoFla like?
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Northern Virginia has a good job market but expect pay to be around the 300k ish mark, and South FL is quite tough for the East side. West side has options. If jobs are found in the East side, expect to be paid around the 200k-250k ish mark, and more work than another job elsewhere.
 
If you don't like what's being offered, open up your own practice. Or take the hit, and then open up your own practice. We keep having people wanting a job, and then whining it's not "high enough." You have to work hard to make money. I mean that exists for everything in life. Just completing medical school and residency isn't paying your dues - it's a costly number of years so you build and develop skills to ultimately own a practice and utilize what you've learned to help people.
 
Agast said:
Move to Austin for pain management. Obtain Elon as a patient. Open first pain management clinic on Mars run exclusively by midlevels. This is the future.
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Lol this is the best post ever. Midlevels in Mars! Will they also have lawyers in Mars? If not I'll invest in the midlevel clinic in Mars!
 
Impressions from a recent job search...

Arkansas: If the location works for you, there are excellent well-paying gigs.

Maine: Not many jobs but some diamonds in the rough.

NC, Georgia, PA: Some really good jobs available.

DC metro: Bad market, and what few jobs were available were with private equity pain groups that are devouring the region...blech.

Ohio: There are some solid jobs if you're OK being 45mins - 1 hour outside a major city.

NJ: Not a ton of jobs and what's around seemed to be predatory groups where "new grads are welcome"...so they can easily take advantage of you.
 
Jersey is horrendous. High cost of living, over saturation, working a lot for not much. Lots of docs from all specialties leaving their traditional roles and starting medispas. I know a urologist doing lip fillers now.

But the public school system is pretty solid..if you care at all about that
 
drusso said:
Can you elaborate on the NJ methods of seduction? High guaranteed salary? Shares at a ASC
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-Prime real estate next to a landfill
-Practice population is 95% guidos, 5% medicare
-Device reps only serve Pork Rolls
-Your choice what exit you want to tell people you live next to
-Never pump your own gas
-Season pass to Great Adventure
 
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