What are the strongest IM fellowships at Mayo vs. CCF respectively?

[SandP]

Just curious.

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[chessknt]

Definitely ortho

 

[SandP]

Definitely ortho

Thanks but I was wondering about internal medicine subspecialites

 

[Gastrapathy]

ortho medicine

 

[dozitgetchahi]

At CCF?

Cards and rheumatology

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

I agree with ortho

 

[MD46]

Yep Ortho would be my vote too

 

[gutonc]

Just curious.

So, now that we've gotten it out of our system, when you say you're "just curious", what do you actually mean? What is "strong" to you? and Why pick these 2 grandma programs at random?

 

[aafisahar]

Having worked with graduates from each program, both programs are pretty weak tbh.

Mayo holds your hand and you have every subspecialist on speed dial. Volume is low and they aren't encouraged to be efficient. Great program if you want to be an academic, but if you want to take care of sick patients independently, this isn't the place for you.

CCF IM are glorified scribes. They are there to put in orders and write notes with minimal independent decision making. Subspecialists drive the care at CCF.

 

[SandP]

So, now that we've gotten it out of our system, when you say you're "just curious", what do you actually mean? What is "strong" to you? and Why pick these 2 grandma programs at random?

I mean good clinical training for fellowship

 

[gutonc]

I mean good clinical training for fellowship

But there are literally hundreds of "better" programs out there for every single fellowship. Why those 2?

 

[rokshana]

Having worked with graduates from each program, both programs are pretty weak tbh.

Mayo holds your hand and you have every subspecialist on speed dial. Volume is low and they aren't encouraged to be efficient. Great program if you want to be an academic, but if you want to take care of sick patients independently, this isn't the place for you.

CCF IM are glorified scribes. They are there to put in orders and write notes with minimal independent decision making. Subspecialists drive the care at CCF.

I think they were asking about the strength of the fellowships, not the IM residency programs

 

[SandP]

But there are literally hundreds of "better" programs out there for every single fellowship. Why those 2?

Because classically their IM programs are thought to be average despite the reputation of the hospital

 

[HemeOncHopeful19]

Because classically their IM programs are thought to be average despite the reputation of the hospital

Are we talking about stength like a tug-of-war contest? Do the entire departments get to participate or is it like 5 people from each department? If so, do they get to select the participants or is it a random group of 5 each?

Hospital “reputation” matters less in a world where physicians have lost 30% of their salary to inflation with all of the missing money being pumped into the PR department that maintains that “reputation” IMO

 

[gutonc]

Because classically their IM programs are thought to be average despite the reputation of the hospital

...and?

 

[aafisahar]

I think they were asking about the strength of the fellowships, not the IM residency programs

Oh in that case, mayo is prob better for most fellowships if you want an academic bent. ccf cards is one of the best programs clinically but also like doing a cardiology residency with how much work it is. Haven't heard too much of other fellowships at ccf being all that great compared to cards, so probably similar to most low-mid tier university programs.