What are your motives?

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Refer to part 1 for some mystified replies to my post:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=414163

Isaac Newton delayed publishing the Principia for fear that his brilliant work would be ridiculed. In today's blogging world, Newton probably would refrain from posting and would have developed a form of 'blogophobia', so intense are the unfounded criticisms.

In part 1, I wrote of my desire to go into pharmD and the anticipation of making enough money to possibly live comfortably. While they are entitled to their opinion, their replies nevertheless baffled me. For example, nowhere in my post did I say that 100K would allow me to buy mansions and expensive cars; nowhere did the intent was to slander (slander whom or what??), nowhere did I hint that I had no love for pharmacy. Rather than taking an objective view of my post, people just did what is usually easier to do, more of the same: criticize. No one applauded my original, albeit brave, intent to helping cure cancer. No one cared to reason that perhaps I'm in dire need of a nice high paying job with intellectual capacity. Name a few 'high' paying careers with a B.S beyond 70K after taxes w/o years of training. The fact is they are rare, but those who are in them probably are at least content with 55k. I clearly wrote in bold that money was not everything in choosing a career and I wonder whether some of you SDNers even noticed that, so eager are you to bash.

Having said that, I'm a nontrad and like many students here, thought a great deal about studying medicine when a relative got ill with gastric cancer. Again, at some point some of you decided that pharmacy is best because of the more time it affords you to enjoy life. Medicine and Pharmacy are both intense; however, pharmacy would be a better fit for me at this time. Both in the time it'd afford me and my family and in the amount I could yield out of it. Your arguments were that 100k after taxes would only yield 70k. If a newly-minted physician, who spent years of schooling and training, rakes about 120 - 140k, they would make just about 100k (not forgetting the loans). Based on your arguments, 100k is not that much either and I concur. But at some point, money (prestige) IS a factor for your decision. Why should it be wrong if I think pharmacy can make for comfortable living? I love science and the field of pharmacy will allow me to help people (alleviate pain, consult etc...). But I must know that I can support a family on 70-90k salary. It may not mean much to you, but it does to me. You ought to at least reciprocate. What are your decisions for studying pharmacy?
 
I like it.

So do I!! After an math tutoring session at a school, a professor asked of my career goals. After I responded, pharmacy, the retired biology teacher suggested: "you can go all the way". As if, I was settling for pharmacy. Like sobegekko, I want to mesh the science and patient interactions to fulfill my intellectual curiosity.
 
So - what's with all the angst in the post? (sorry - that is, perhaps, an unfair judgement).

But, your post comes across apologetic and a bit whining because some faceless folks on a forum give you grief about your motives.

Now...you indicate your math tutor thinks you're not "living up to your potential" - ahhhh - I'm a parent too!😉

Just do what you tell your own kids to do - make their own choices.

You are indeed different than that 18 yo college freshman who perhaps hasn't explored enough to decide if this is what he/she wants to do, but you have. Its your life & you don't need to explain your choices or your motives to anyone (except in an interview & I really wouldn't mention money).

My mother still thinks I should have gone to medical school & she's 88! Thank gawd she lived long enough to see her grandaughter get there. But, it hasn't bothered me in the least. Now - if drsdn wasn't proud of me & my choices - that would bother me. But - you have the support of your family.

One thing you must develop as a pharmacist is your own reward system. There are many, many times when no one will tell you what a great job you've done. So...start practicing now & forget about these faceless judgements......heck - Caverject thinks I "talk" too much...🙄 What does he know????😛
 
your post comes across apologetic and a bit whining because some faceless folks on a forum give you grief about your motives.

Now...you indicate your math tutor thinks you're not "living up to your potential"

You are right, it may have come across that way. Hmm. Actually, I'm not apologetic for my career, it is just I think objectivity and rationality seem rare. A trace of subjectivity is perhaps, unavoidable. At the expense of good 'concise and cohesive' writing, we sacrifice good originality. Constructive criticsm or the lack of it is of course allowed, else it would not be blogging. People posts whatever they feel like posting, and it's fine. For example, a recent post by an SDNer who sought some vague ideas about going to Hawaii was quickly turned into a forum that went beyond the scope of its original intent.

By the way, I was the one tutoring math. She asked me of my career goals after many conversations in the teachers' and tutoring students lounge. I'm not yet a parent. Still got a few more years to reach the big '3 0'.
If my post came off as whining, it was for sure not the intent. I suppose a bit of frustration at distorting what was originally written was the culprit.

PharmD Candidate 2008 (UF, Nova, PBA)
 
You are right, it may have come across that way. Hmm. Actually, I'm not apologetic for my career, it is just I think objectivity and rationality seem rare. A trace of subjectivity is perhaps, unavoidable. At the expense of good 'concise and cohesive' writing, we sacrifice good originality. Constructive criticsm or the lack of it is of course allowed, else it would not be blogging. People posts whatever they feel like posting, and it's fine. For example, a recent post by an SDNer who sought some vague ideas about going to Hawaii was quickly turned into a forum that went beyond the scope of its original intent.

By the way, I was the one tutoring math. She asked me of my career goals after many conversations in the teachers' and tutoring students lounge. I'm not yet a parent. Still got a few more years to reach the big '3 0'.
If my post came off as whining, it was for sure not the intent. I suppose a bit of frustration at distorting what was originally written was the culprit.

PharmD Candidate 2008 (UF, Nova, PBA)

Don't worry about the posters who are bashing you for considering money as a reason for the career. It is a completely legitimate consideration (and a smart one I might add if you intend on not feeling financial strain for the rest of your life) Anyone who said they picked the pharmacy career with no monetary consideration whatsoever is either a really really good samaritan, an idiot, or a liar. If you think about it, you could be a pharmacy tech and do almost all the things a pharmacist could do (in retail at least) and not have to spend nearly $200k to put yourself through school. You'd also make barely a livable wage. Money is an important consideration for a career and people have to remember that above all, the pharmacy career is a Job where people get paid. It's a wonderful profession where we can provide for the health of others, but really, all of us hope to live comfortably.

I myself currently work at the UCLA School of Medicine as a programmer/analyst/design animator. My salary is quite comfortable and I feel my current position offers me the opportunity to contribute to the future of healthcare. I have my own reasons for wanting to attend pharmacy school, but honestly, one reason (though not a primary reason) is indeed monetary. I do hope to be able to provide for my future family so that they can live very comfortably (my current salary would enable me to do so but to a much lesser extent). I sincerely doubt that most everyone bashing against the monetary reason is as "idealistic" as they claim to be. If so, I would challenge them to take jobs with public health interest groups/World Health Organization, giving up their $120k salaries for an opportunity to truly make an impact. I doubt most would take up that challenge. The truth is we appreciate our comfortable lifestyles. There's no shame in admitting that it's part of your consideration for pursuing a career.

Now. Before everyone jumps on me for saying this, I will say that pursuing a professional degree purely for monetary reasons is NOT ok. (DOPharmMD this is not directed toward you). I would hope that anyone hoping to enter this wonderful profession is prepared to truly make sacrifices to help others in a healthcare environment.
 
Binghamkid, that was a great post! Good luck with pharmacy school! 🙂
 
In today's world, you have to use your head > heart.

If only & only an example...... they (posters from the first thread) love & enjoy photography and nothing else but they have the brain for Pharmacy and you ask them to choose which proffesion? I offer them $20-30k for Photography and $100-125k for Pharmacy. What do you think those people will choose? If they follow their heart they would pick Photography and make $20-30k/year. If they use their head, they can easily make $100-125k/yr without over time.:laugh: In today's world with the gas prices, etc. going up, and If they pick Photography, I give them respect. Seriously. However, I might call them dumb.

why eat chicken when you can eat steak?
 
..Oh my motives..

I love Pharmacy!
 
In today's world, you have to use your head > heart.

If only & only an example...... they (posters from the first thread) love & enjoy photography and nothing else but they have the brain for Pharmacy and you ask them to choose which proffesion? I offer them $20-30k for Photography and $100-125k for Pharmacy. What do you think those people will choose? If they follow their heart they would pick Photography and make $20-30k/year. If they use their head, they can easily make $100-125k/yr without over time.:laugh: In today's world with the gas prices, etc. going up, and If they pick Photography, I give them respect. Seriously. However, I might call them dumb.

why eat chicken when you can eat steak?

:meanie: This was hilarious. However, there is a lot of validity to it.
 
Hm, I thought that your post was interpretable in two ways, as it wasn't clear who you were quoting and what was your opinion versus what were others. It just came across as a bash against another post and money for going into the profession. I interpreted a lot of your (interjections) as sarcasm or mockery.
 
I want some fried chicken now.
 
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