What are your opinions on the schools I have attached? (I am in the process of applying)

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Couple other questions:

1. How often are there scholarships to help reduce tuition? (merit based)
2. Are there loan forgiveness including residency programs?
3. Does going to an average medical school in a big city where there are other more reputable medical schools, give you an edge over non-residents at getting into that residency?
 

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It's a list of 1/3rd of the MD schools in the US. What do you want me to say?

If you're applying, give us stats and ECs, then we can advise on chances.
3.4 GPA overall 3.3ish BCPM

Dunno my MCAT score yet because I only took it recently.
 
It's a list of 1/3rd of the MD schools in the US. What do you want me to say?

If you're applying, give us stats and ECs, then we can advise on chances.
Also in terms of ECs:

Senator for Fargo Hall Council for 1 year
Secretary for UB Debate Society for 1 year
Vice President for UB Debate Society for 1 year
80+ hours of volunteer work (1 clinical letter of recommendation en route)
 
Also in terms of ECs:

Senator for Fargo Hall Council for 1 year
Secretary for UB Debate Society for 1 year
Vice President for UB Debate Society for 1 year
80+ hours of volunteer work (1 clinical letter of recommendation en route)
I can't sugarcoat this. These are not the EC's of somebody who wants to go to medical school.
 
Well, what's missing?
You need more clinical experience, you need service to others less fortunate than yourself, research will help if you are interested in the research powerhouses (assuming you have a massive Rising GPA trend) and shadowing.

Get off campus and out of your comfort zone
 
You need more clinical experience, you need service to others less fortunate than yourself, research will help if you are interested in the research powerhouses (assuming you have a massive Rising GPA trend) and shadowing.

Get off campus and out of your comfort zone
In my 80+ hours, I worked on a floor with many Urology patients. I was responsible for everything from attending to patient needs (food, water, bathroom use, transport) all the way to stocking of supplies, etc. I got a letter of recommendation from the head nurse on that floor.
 
In my 80+ hours, I worked on a floor with many Urology patients. I was responsible for everything from attending to patient needs (food, water, bathroom use, transport) all the way to stocking of supplies, etc. I got a letter of recommendation from the head nurse on that floor.
This is commendable, but it's nowhere near what you need. My my own student interviewers would eat you alive.

What are you going to say when asked how you know you are suited for a life of caring for the sick and suffering? “That you just know”? Imagine how that will go over!

From the wise LizzyM: I am always reminded of a certain frequent poster of a few years ago. He was adamant about not volunteering as he did not want to give his services for free and he was busy and helping others was inconvenient. He matriculated to a medical school and lasted less than one year. He's now in school to become an accountant.

Ditto from LizzyM: If you have more than 300 hours of non-clinical volunteering by the time you apply you will be in the top 25% of applicants with regard to community service (based on what I see). The tip top of the pyramid are those who do a full-time volunteerism during a gap year or two (Peace Corps, City Year, etc).

Clinical... top 25% of the pool have employment in a clinical setting: EMT, scribe, patient care technician (aide). The hours don't matter... it is going to be hundreds of hours if you even work full-time for a few weeks.

To stand out in the top tier, seriously, you need to be in the top 2-5% in terms of MCAT and have an excellent GPA. Beyond that, if you have the minimum in all areas and stand out in one or two areas (research, clinical, service, leadership, life experience) you'll be fine.

Here's the deal: You need to show AdComs that you know what you're getting into, and show off your altruistic, humanistic side. We need to know that you're going to like being around sick or injured people for the next 40 years.

Here's another way of looking at it: would you buy a new car without test driving it? Buy a new suit or dress without trying it on??

We're also not looking for merely for good medical students, we're looking for people who will make good doctors, and 4.0 GPA robots are a dime-a-dozen.

I've seen plenty of posts here from high GPA/high MCAT candidates who were rejected because they had little patient contact experience.

Not all volunteering needs to be in a hospital. Think hospice, Planned Parenthood, nursing homes, rehab facilities, crisis hotlines, camps for sick children, or clinics.

Some types of volunteer activities are more appealing than others. Volunteering in a nice suburban hospital is all very well and good and all, but doesn't show that you're willing to dig in and get your hands dirty in the same way that working with the developmentally disabled (or homeless, the dying, or Alzheimers or mentally ill or elderly or ESL or domestic, rural impoverished) does. The uncomfortable situations are the ones that really demonstrate your altruism and get you 'brownie points'. Plus, they frankly teach you more -- they develop your compassion and humanity in ways comfortable situations can't.

Service need not be "unique". If you can alleviate suffering in your community through service to the poor, homeless, illiterate, fatherless, etc, you are meeting an otherwise unmet need and learning more about the lives of the people (or types of people) who will someday be your patients. Check out your local houses of worship for volunteer opportunities. The key thing is service to others less fortunate than you. And get off campus and out of your comfort zone!

Examples include: Habitat for Humanity, Ronald McDonald House, Humane Society, crisis hotlines, soup kitchen, food pantry, homeless or women’s shelter, after-school tutoring for students or coaching a sport in a poor school district, teaching ESL to adults at a community center, Big Brothers/Big Sisters, or Meals on Wheels.
 
Also, invest in MSAR Online. Pay very careful attention to the IS/OOS rations for acceptees and matriculants at public med school. Also pay very careful attention to school's mission statements. You had tons of schools that highly favor the home team.

Your chances for MD will be best with your home state MD school(s).

But fill in the gaps in your app first. And naturally, your MCAT score will make or break you.
 
This is commendable, but it's nowhere near what you need. My my own student interviewers would eat you alive.

What are you going to say when asked how you know you are suited for a life of caring for the sick and suffering? “That you just know”? Imagine how that will go over!

From the wise LizzyM: I am always reminded of a certain frequent poster of a few years ago. He was adamant about not volunteering as he did not want to give his services for free and he was busy and helping others was inconvenient. He matriculated to a medical school and lasted less than one year. He's now in school to become an accountant.

Ditto from LizzyM: If you have more than 300 hours of non-clinical volunteering by the time you apply you will be in the top 25% of applicants with regard to community service (based on what I see). The tip top of the pyramid are those who do a full-time volunteerism during a gap year or two (Peace Corps, City Year, etc).

Clinical... top 25% of the pool have employment in a clinical setting: EMT, scribe, patient care technician (aide). The hours don't matter... it is going to be hundreds of hours if you even work full-time for a few weeks.

To stand out in the top tier, seriously, you need to be in the top 2-5% in terms of MCAT and have an excellent GPA. Beyond that, if you have the minimum in all areas and stand out in one or two areas (research, clinical, service, leadership, life experience) you'll be fine.

Here's the deal: You need to show AdComs that you know what you're getting into, and show off your altruistic, humanistic side. We need to know that you're going to like being around sick or injured people for the next 40 years.

Here's another way of looking at it: would you buy a new car without test driving it? Buy a new suit or dress without trying it on??

We're also not looking for merely for good medical students, we're looking for people who will make good doctors, and 4.0 GPA robots are a dime-a-dozen.

I've seen plenty of posts here from high GPA/high MCAT candidates who were rejected because they had little patient contact experience.

Not all volunteering needs to be in a hospital. Think hospice, Planned Parenthood, nursing homes, rehab facilities, crisis hotlines, camps for sick children, or clinics.

Some types of volunteer activities are more appealing than others. Volunteering in a nice suburban hospital is all very well and good and all, but doesn't show that you're willing to dig in and get your hands dirty in the same way that working with the developmentally disabled (or homeless, the dying, or Alzheimers or mentally ill or elderly or ESL or domestic, rural impoverished) does. The uncomfortable situations are the ones that really demonstrate your altruism and get you 'brownie points'. Plus, they frankly teach you more -- they develop your compassion and humanity in ways comfortable situations can't.

Service need not be "unique". If you can alleviate suffering in your community through service to the poor, homeless, illiterate, fatherless, etc, you are meeting an otherwise unmet need and learning more about the lives of the people (or types of people) who will someday be your patients. Check out your local houses of worship for volunteer opportunities. The key thing is service to others less fortunate than you. And get off campus and out of your comfort zone!

Examples include: Habitat for Humanity, Ronald McDonald House, Humane Society, crisis hotlines, soup kitchen, food pantry, homeless or women’s shelter, after-school tutoring for students or coaching a sport in a poor school district, teaching ESL to adults at a community center, Big Brothers/Big Sisters, or Meals on Wheels.

Thank you for your thorough and detailed response. I will take all of this into consideration!!
 
What do you think is missing? You have 80 volunteer hours. Thats low in and of itself. What about nonclinical volumteering? Shadowing? Research?

Thank you for the suggestions, duly noted!!
 
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