What can you do if you get expelled from a medical school?

[bozz]

What happens?

---

Members don't see this ad.

 

[Law2Doc]

What happens?

You pick another career that isn't going to hold that against you, I guess. It's not like another reputable med school or residency is going to touch you after an expulsion, which generally suggests you've been found guilty of cheating or doing something majorly unprofessional.

 

[Doctor Bagel]

Why are you wondering?

 

[soccerpunk60]

expelled as in failing out? or expelled as in getting caught doing crack with some patients?

 

[agranulocytosis]

Come to the Caribbean! I hear CMU has plenty of openings.

 

[Law2Doc]

expelled as in failing out? or expelled as in getting caught doing crack with some patients?

It's not easy to get "expelled" for failing out (if we are talking US allo med schools). And in med school you generally get second, and third chances to pass things, so it implies a pretty extensive record of failing things to get to this stage. In which case no other US allo med school (and probably most residencies) is going to be particularly interested in you. I'd still recommend changing career paths.

 

[njbmd]

What happens?

Being dismissed from medical school in the United States usually happens for academic performance. If this is the case for you or someone you know, you/they need to ask the Dean what options are there in terms of readmission. If academics are the problem, some schools will allow you to either repeat the year or will ask you to sit out an year and reapply for admission.

A student who leaves a medical school in this country "not in good standing" is not eligible for transfer or admission to another medical school in this country so transfer is not an option. Some people have transferred to offshore schools but it's an expensive and risky proposition. In general, if you have been dismissed academically from a school in this country, it is not usually a good omen of performance in an offshore school. You may wind up with a huge debt and no degree.

Why are you wondering?

DO NOT under any circumstances discuss the terms (or conditions) of your (or anyone's dismissal/expulsion) on a public message board. Don't even do this hypothetically. These matters have very serious legal and life-changing implications. The administration/dean at any medical school is the best source of information on what options are out there for anyone who finds themselves either in danger of academic dismissal or non-academic dismissal.

It's not easy to get "expelled" for failing out (if we are talking US allo med schools). And in med school you generally get second, and third chances to pass things, so it implies a pretty extensive record of failing things to get to this stage. In which case no other US allo med school (and probably most residencies) is going to be particularly interested in you. I'd still recommend changing career paths.

Contrary to popular belief, more US allo medical students fail (or are expelled) then one would believe. Most of the time, they are re-admitted or remediated but they do fail out and some are "expelled" for non-academic reasons such as criminal activity (drug abuse). It is "easy" for some people to find themselves in this position especially if they have been reluctant to seek help early for things that interfere with their academics or substance abuse problems.

In the case of criminal behavior, expulsion carries serious consequences in terms of being able to enter any allied health career. Most hospitals in the US require a criminal background check of all potential employees and thus being expelled for criminal activity is going to seriously limit the career options in health care for anyone.

 

[indo]

What happens?

You become a strip club DJ.

 

[Trismegistus4]

Go to law school?

 

[Law2Doc]

Go to law school?

You could conceivably get in someplace (there are a lot of law schools, some more "accredited" than others), but you'd hit the hurdle when applying for the bar, particularly if we are talking about cheating. A lot of states have character interviews and screening where you'd pretty much not get licensed if you had something like academic fraud or criminal convictions in your past. If you did something that merited expulsion I would think you'd be best served looking into careers which didn't require professional licensing.

 

[Law2Doc]

Contrary to popular belief, more US allo medical students fail (or are expelled) then one would believe.

One of the medical magazines ran a 1.5% academic fail out rate figure for US allo last year. So sure it happens, but not to too many. A larger percentage leave for "other" nonacademic reasons. Failing courses, repeating years, and remediating things happens more frequently, but that doesn't count as failing out or expulsion by any definition I've heard.

 

[PeepshowJohnny]

One of the medical magazines ran a 1.5% academic fail out rate figure for US allo last year. So sure it happens, but not to too many. A larger percentage leave for "other" nonacademic reasons. Failing courses, repeating years, and remediating things happens more frequently, but that doesn't count as failing out or expulsion by any definition I've heard.

I think the percentage is hard to exactly pinpoint because I've seen some shades of gray situations first hand. I was a student rep on our school's promotional committee where we dealt with a lot of students with academic difficulties.

There are quite a few cases where somebody would be "failing" a lot of early classes but not yet "failed out". A lot of times the school would offer them to leave without the stigmata of "you failed out of med school." It would be still hard to leave in this scenario and be accepted to another medical school, but it's still a lot more possible than if they had been kicked out for academic reasons.

So I'd conjecture there are quite a few students who leave because of poor academic performance, but they left citing "other" reasons.

 

[404958]

Totally true that you should talk to one of the deans re: readmission. Many schools will rearrange for you to remediate or reapply.

Contrary to what some of the aforementioned posts say, some US medical school will in fact look at students who leave. In fact, I know a couple who readmitted elsewhere.

If have been dismissed academically from a school in this country, it's usually b/c of a personal reason, not because of lack of intellect. From what I've seen, it's usually one of the following 3 reasons:
1) Personal relationships... divorces, gf-bf issues. Tough, but this can be fixed
2) death in the family. Can anyone control this?
3) RARELY, a student will something criminal. If so, these students are in their own category and probably should be dismissed.

But it does not imply poor performance in the future.

After all, if a doctor is found guilty in a malpractice case, would he be stripped of his license? Would someone go up to him and say being found guilty by a judge or jury implies poor performance with future patients? No. The American medical system doesn't work that way. Why so punitive toward students?

After all, aren't schools just businesses? Patients are now called, "health consumers and customers." Doctors are "health providers." Doctors are just another hospital employee.

If they're just businesses, why are they given such a favorable light or reputation? We wouldn't do that if an employee sued McDonald's. These businesses are looking after their own prestige and money. They want to get rid of anyone who is potentially trouble to their reputation. If that's the case, the dean is not always the best source of information. S/he is looking out for number 1.

 

[FunnyCurrent]

All these paranoid posts lately. Expulsion, failing out, pot smoking roommates. I think I shouldshove a rod up my anus to keep me standing up straight, crossing all T's and dotting all i's.

 

[moto_za]

All these paranoid posts lately. Expulsion, failing out, pot smoking roommates. I think I shouldshove a rod up my anus to keep me standing up straight, crossing all T's and dotting all i's.

👍

 

[The Angriest Bird]

Dismissal almost always involves professionalism instead of academic/clinical incompetency.

If you look at the overall attrition rate in medical school, voluntary quitting largely outnumbers forceful dismissal.

 

[calicalicali]

Dismissal almost always involves professionalism instead of academic/clinical incompetency.

If you look at the overall attrition rate in medical school, voluntary quitting largely outnumbers forceful dismissal.

guarantee you that’s the opinion, not the truth. for me, it was a 1 and done. and by that i mean one semester. nevertheless, is it possible to go to a carribean school and then try to transfer back?

 

[Substance]

If you feel you were dismissed unjustly, it would be prudent to hire a lawyer to review your case and see if you have grounds to pursue the matter legally. It has happened in the past for some people...and you have nothing to lose but money.

 

[Kadava Reviva]

Go to law school?

If you were expelled for non-academic reasons, no law school will let you in. They do not want to educate someone who has been flagged as dishonest. It would look bad for the profession.

Come on! You know what I mean.

 

[typhoonegator]

Not really lately. The dude revived a three year old thread to offer advice to an OP whose probably not even on SDN anymore. It's like watching a documentary on the Revolutionary War, and writing a letter to George Washington urging him to run for President. That boat sailed a while ago, move on...

Classically funny. Great post. And that SHOULD pretty much wrap this one up.

 

[Rothbard]

nm

 

[drfamilymed]

 

[BouncingBack]

You pick another career that isn't going to hold that against you, I guess. It's not like another reputable med school or residency is going to touch you after an expulsion, which generally suggests you've been found guilty of cheating or doing something majorly unprofessional.

You always assume people did something wrong when they get booted from med school. I bet you are always judgmental towards all your patients too. I hope they know how you really feel about them

 

[username456789]

You always assume people did something wrong when they get booted from med school. I bet you are always judgmental towards all your patients too. I hope they know how you really feel about them

Well, chances are they did, which is why they were booted.

Med school isn't like Survivor where the students just get to vote someone out each week for no reason.

 

[BouncingBack]

Well, chances are they did, which is why they were booted.

Med school isn't like Survivor where the students just get to vote someone out each week for no reason.

Some get booted for failing shelf exams and/or doing a subpar job on clinical competency assessments.I am not sure how these can be construed as doing something "WRONG." Are you going to accuse some people that didnt do well in premed classes and got booted from undergrad of having done sonething wrong too?

 

[Wordead]

Some get booted for failing shelf exams and/or doing a subpar job on clinical competency assessments.I am not sure how these can be construed as doing something "WRONG." Are you going to accuse some people that didnt do well in premed classes and got booted from undergrad of having done sonething wrong too?

You have to be really bad to fail those clinical competency tests. Failing a shelf is pretty bad too.

 

[username456789]

Some get booted for failing shelf exams and/or doing a subpar job on clinical competency assessments.I am not sure how these can be construed as doing something "WRONG." Are you going to accuse some people that didnt do well in premed classes and got booted from undergrad of having done sonething wrong too?

Generally it's hard to fail a shelf exam unless you're providing wrong answers.

In fact, that's practically the ONLY way to fail a shelf exam. Unless you get caught cheating. Which is also wrong.

 

[BouncingBack]

Generally it's hard to fail a shelf exam unless you're providing wrong answers.

In fact, that's practically the ONLY way to fail a shelf exam. Unless you get caught cheating. Which is also wrong.

it depends on schools. our school the cutoff was 60. Many failed OBGYN and Family Med shelves. for whatever reason, they did okay on surgery and IM

 

[Donald Juan]

Wow, this post has had 4 necrobumps in the last 5 years.

 

[deuist]

Some get booted for failing shelf exams and/or doing a subpar job on clinical competency assessments.I am not sure how these can be construed as doing something "WRONG." Are you going to accuse some people that didnt do well in premed classes and got booted from undergrad of having done sonething wrong too?

Yep, sure will. What they did wrong is not study hard enough. While that's not a problem in undergrad since most of it is useless knowledge anyway, not knowing medicine is going to get patients killed. Knowing how to diagnose and treat people is absolutely a requirement for continuing on in this field.

 

[Law2Doc]

You always assume people did something wrong when they get booted from med school. I bet you are always judgmental towards all your patients too. I hope they know how you really feel about them

You do realize you are responding to a post from 2008.🙄 But no, I wasn't being judgemental. US allo med schools give second and third chances (or at least they did in 2008). So you really had to do something seriously unprofessional, or fail to remediate repeatedly to get kicked out. Failing one shelf exam wouldn't do it, at least not in 2008. Maybe failing a number of them several times would. That's why the fail out rate is only 1-2% (or at least was back then). Schools in the US aren't quick to throw people out.

I don't know really how this relates to patient care, but if you are going to attack someone's character, maybe you need to do it more timely than five years later to get better effect.

 

[evilbooyaa]

You always assume people did something wrong when they get booted from med school. I bet you are always judgmental towards all your patients too. I hope they know how you really feel about them

HEY.

I see what you're doing. Stop it.

I don't know if you made a thread about getting booted from medical school, but just make one of your own. No purpose of necro-bumping multiple > 1 year old threads just for your personal inane comments.

 

[FutureMDiA]

go to Caribbean med schools.

 

[theacks1]

go to Caribbean med schools.

Congratulations on being the fifth person to necro this thread for that insightful quip. You'd think that being raised from the dead that many times would just leave a thing a soggy mess, but I guess some people prefer it like that.

 

[referee3]

Congratulations on being the fifth person to necro this thread for that insightful quip. You'd think that being raised from the dead that many times would just leave a thing a soggy mess, but I guess some people prefer it like that.

This dude has been necro-bumping threads like crazy lately. Not sure if he is doing it on purpose, or just has no idea how to read the date lol

 

[superdoc2.0]

Lets keep the necro bumps coming!

I should start a band called necro bumps, or I could start a new genre of music. Necro bumps be jamming mane!!

Or maybe name an amusement ride necro bumps.

 

[michaelrack]

After all, if a doctor is found guilty in a malpractice case, would he be stripped of his license? Would someone go up to him and say being found guilty by a judge or jury implies poor performance with future patients? No. The American medical system doesn't work that way.
.

Malpractice losses have to be reported on most license and hospital staff privilege applications. These losses will be reviewed closely and may be considered to imply poor future performance

 

[Raryn]

What is dead may never die.

 

[MedWonk]

Lets keep the necro bumps coming!

I should start a band called necro bumps, or I could start a new genre of music. Necro bumps be jamming mane!!

Or maybe name an amusement ride necro bumps.

Sounds like syphilis.