What distinguishes confidence from arrogance, and how to walk this fine line with a successful application cycle

[Futuredocplz531]

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See this is what I mean and is my main question of this thread. What makes someone confident vs arrogant? It seems like everyone calls me arrogant whenever I say that I’m confident.

Tone is what separates confidence and arrogance. Your tone in your writing is putting a lot of people off. Just look at how that dr pat writes

 

[deleted987519]

These conspiracies have me wondering if I am a memelord alt account 😱

 

[moldydorito]

Uhm so I actually know MemeLord in person and met him at one of my interviews, and I really don't think this guy is him.

@fgh32112 As another high-stats applicant with a successful cycle, I can relate to your struggles. This semester I've discovered who my real friends are since a lot of people at my school who I considered close friends stopped talking to me after finding out which schools I got interviews at. People can get really butthurt over med school admissions and I think sdn is FULL of these kinds of people. Just ignore them honestly. They hate us cuz they ain't us.

 

[FreeGibbs]

Tone is what separates confidence and arrogance. Your tone in your writing is putting a lot of people off. Just look at how that dr pat writes

Wait a minute.

Jk they're probs not the same person but for the meme of the thread ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[EdgeTrimmer]

Wait, Is this @Mr. Dr. Prof. Patrick alternate account? I just noticed his membership was revoked.

WoW, why was @Mr. Dr. Prof. Patrick account removed?

 

[jamaica jan sun princess]

WoW, why was @Mr. Dr. Prof. Patrick account removed?

He had a shoot out with one of the mods on PM recently, could have been another/more of that

PS, patrick when you reincarnate yourself, shoot me a PM so I can find you.

 

[ThrowawayShmoaway]

Which mod?!? And why?!?! Somebody spill the tea!

 

[Goro]

Yeah why’d he get a post hold? I didn’t see anything that stood out.

All he did was troll. I' surprised he lasted as long as he did.

 

[fgh32112]

Generally when people are confident in their abilities they don’t feel the need to announce to everyone how great they are. They prove it through their actions rather than humble bragging. Similar concept to the old saying “money talks but wealth whispers”

I don’t go around randomly telling everyone what interviews I have etc. You have to look at the context. There are people crapping on me saying that I won’t get into a single school since I have some kind of character flaw. This insults me and to respond I bring up my success to show them that they were wrong in their judgment of me.

 

[thumbz]

I don’t go around randomly telling everyone what interviews I have etc. You have to look at the context. There are people crapping on me saying that I won’t get into a single school since I have some kind of character flaw. This insults me and to respond I bring up my success to show them that they were wrong in their judgment of me.

Candidly I do wish you success, but I sincerely hope you adjust your attitude. I'm concerned that you can hide parts of your personality to skate through interviews and get accepted, but when it comes time to rotate on my service for 4 weeks it's going to be harder to mask some of the narcissism and argumentative tones your posts bring across. If you came across in person on my service like you tend to come across here you're not going to have a good time.

 

[DNAJB6]

No clue, it was probably deleted. If you read @fgh32112 previous thread, he left enough details to conclude it's definitely @Mr. Dr. Prof. Patrick

He probably created the alt account to prove that people were biased against him. It backfired when they still called him arrogant without knowing his true identity. Everyone hates him because he's so successful, etc.

Are you sure? The OP's m.o. seems to be very different.

 

[DNAJB6]

I don’t go around randomly telling everyone what interviews I have etc. You have to look at the context. There are people crapping on me saying that I won’t get into a single school since I have some kind of character flaw. This insults me and to respond I bring up my success to show them that they were wrong in their judgment of me.

Why would someone with a successful admissions cycle care about what anonymous posters on the Internet thought? If your intent isn't to brag or troll, then there is no real reason to defend yourself. I would merely have clarified my intentions in a single post, without any caustic rhetoric, and moved on.

 

[fgh32112]

Candidly I do wish you success, but I sincerely hope you adjust your attitude. I'm concerned that you can hide parts of your personality to skate through interviews and get accepted, but when it comes time to rotate on my service for 4 weeks it's going to be harder to mask some of the narcissism and argumentative tones your posts bring across. If you came across in person on my service like you tend to come across here you're not going to have a good time.

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I appreciate your concern. I really do. But I’ve gotten along with everyone I’ve worked with so far in my life. I really think that the average SDNer is more easily offended by other people’s success than the average person. Everyone around me in real life is super supportive and excited when I tell them that I get an interview/acceptance. On here it seems almost taboo to talk about your achievements. I think another problem is that tone doesn’t communicate well over text. People just assume I’m being arrogant because that’s what they associate with high stats people.

 

[fgh32112]

Why would someone with a successful admissions cycle care about what anonymous posters on the Internet thought? If your intent isn't to brag or troll, then there is no real reason to defend yourself. I would merely have clarified my intentions in a single post, without any caustic rhetoric, and moved on.

You’re probably right. No matter what I say I probably can’t change anyone’s mind on here since they already have a negative preconception of me. I’m a person who hates to give up though which is why I find it difficult to let the conversation stay where it is with these people equating confidence with arrogance.

 

[EdgeTrimmer]

All he did was troll. I' surprised he lasted as long as he did.

Hmmmm, he was posting a lot and seemed to be a genuine applicant. I had some arguments with him but within boundaries.

 

[jamaica jan sun princess]

Are you sure? The OP's m.o. seems to be very different.

Not sure at all lol. I was just messing around.

 

[FreeGibbs]

I appreciate your concern. I really do. But I’ve gotten along with everyone I’ve worked with so far in my life. I really think that the average SDNer is more easily offended by other people’s success than the average person. Everyone around me in real life is super supportive and excited when I tell them that I get an interview/acceptance. On here it seems almost taboo to talk about your achievements. I think another problem is that tone doesn’t communicate well over text. People just assume I’m being arrogant because that’s what they associate with high stats people.

Im glad you got a supportive network irl! Rare to come by, and it's good you got ppl to be there for you through thick and thin.

You’re probably right. No matter what I say I probably can’t change anyone’s mind on here since they already have a negative preconception of me. I’m a person who hates to give up though which is why I find it difficult to let the conversation stay where it is with these people equating confidence with arrogance.

This. You care too much about anonymous strangers' opinions, but validation on an online forum of strangers is nowhere near close to the validation you get from your friends and loved ones.

 

[proudofmykids]

I notice often that applicants with many interviews on SDN get shot down for being arrogant or insensitive to those with fewer interviews. Sometimes it seems that even mentioning that one is confident about their success is enough to garner a response. Do people who are having a successful cycle really need to be so careful in choosing their words as to not hurt the feelings of others? Are people really so sensitive? Throughout high school, college, and grad school, I’ve been surrounded by extremely accomplished people who achieved more than I ever will. I don’t go around calling them arrogant or egotistical. Instead, I look up to them and this motivates me to work even harder. I’ve noticed on SDN that people REALLY like to make inferences about members based on their posts. To me, when people start trashing others due to their success, it just comes off as being salty. Are people on SDN more sensitive than the general population. I’ve never had a problem in the real world, and some of my recommendation letter writers called me extremely humble in their letters.

YES!
Most don't seem to recognize this category of sensitivity/anxiety/self-confidence issue. However the posts in this thread seem to not fall into this category.

 

[candbgirl]

Wait, Is this @Mr. Dr. Prof. Patrick alternate account? I just noticed his membership was revoked.

It was? Why? When?

 

[diasterdream]

Quick someone bring up aquaponics or hiking to see if he can’t resist talking about it

No, bring up being in the reserves or being a young father. That should bring him out.

 

[Cornfed101]

My comment is somewhat of a troll comment but tbh strong Luke P vibes from you.

maybe OP is Luke P 😱

 

[LeaveNoTrace]

:troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll:

Either this is a troll, or a veteran with a 4.0 and 526. Good on ‘em for getting all those IIs. If they’re real. They’ll be a medical student this time next year unless they blow every single one of the ungodly amount of IIs they got.

 

[DJChemmyChem]

#freepatrick

 

[fgh32112]

Either this is a troll, or a veteran with a 4.0 and 526. Good on ‘em for getting all those IIs. If they’re real. They’ll be a medical student this time next year unless they blow every single one of the ungodly amount of IIs they got.

Thank you. I’ve had a very successful cycle with 15 II and two acceptances so far. I know that my application is strong but also recognize that there is an element of luck in this whole process, so I am extremely grateful for how it has gone so far.

 

[thumbz]

#freepatrick

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime

 

[ChymeofPassion]

Thank you. I’ve had a very successful cycle with 15 II and two acceptances so far. I know that my application is strong but also recognize that there is an element of luck in this whole process, so I am extremely grateful for how it has gone so far.

Perfect. Confidence (bolded) with humility (italics). 0 Arrogance Detected 😉

 

[Cornfed101]

Thank you. I’ve had a very successful cycle with 15 II and two acceptances so far. I know that my application is strong but also recognize that there is an element of luck in this whole process, so I am extremely grateful for how it has gone so far.

This is confident without being arrogant. Good job!

 

[gyngyn]

This looks like a good place to stop.