What DO schools arent accredited?

[msd848]

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I was looking at the DO book.. and I noticed there are a few DO schools that aren't accredited.. do you guys know which ones these are?

 

[bioman2006]

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[Semicolon]

Touro-NY is also under provisional accreditation.

 

[Docta Rod]

Does that mean its harder to get into those medical school ?

 

[Semicolon]

Does that mean its harder to get into those medical school ?

Not at all. In fact, it might actually be easier...

 

[cae2009]

Does anyone know if it is a problem getting financial aid for attending a school that is on provisional accredidation? On the RVU website, it mentions something about this, but I don't know much about financial aid for med school.

 

[Chocolate Bear]

Does anyone know if it is a problem getting financial aid for attending a school that is on provisional accredidation? On the RVU website, it mentions something about this, but I don't know much about financial aid for med school.

Perhaps you can only get private loans from new schools *that are not branch campuses of pre-existing schools* until the school receives full accreditation. This means that RVU = Private loans until they graduate a class, and Touro-NY = Stafford loans b/c they are a branch of Touro. I seem to remember that's the case, but I could be wrong.

Could someone correct me or confirm?

 

[SmokD]

I'm gonna be at TOURO-NY this fall and I'm getting the Stafford Loan. I can only assume it might be more difficult getting a federal loan for RVU cause its a for profit school.

 

[antapolar]

Does that mean its harder to get into those medical school ?

In my opinion, No. Think about it, most student with marks that can get them into a more established school will tend to not go to a newer school right. So that may give you a 'better' shot at it if your marks are marginal for other schools.

Does anyone know if it is a problem getting financial aid for attending a school that is on provisional accredidation? On the RVU website, it mentions something about this, but I don't know much about financial aid for med school.

Yeah, I went to interview at RVU few months back. They say with only provisional accredidation, they cannot offer stafford loan (ie the governmental loans). Student will have to seek out private loan or RVU is putting up a loan directly from their school. The reason why Touro-NY can get stafford and so can ATSU-SOMA is because they have enough reputation from their other branches to guarantee their students graudate. Ie if somehow the new branch/school fail the final accredidation then at least for those with branches, the students can easily go to other campus to finish up or receive degree from those branches.

 

[antapolar]

I'm gonna be at TOURO-NY this fall and I'm getting the Stafford Loan. I can only assume it might be more difficult getting a federal loan for RVU cause its a for profit school.

As i explain in previous mail...if you are not sure don't assume right the way its because for profit hence its bad or not getting something. I mean I think personally that most ppl automatic assume for profit is bad...if you want to think of them selling some sort of product to earn more money...wouldn't they need to guarantee the good quality of their product (ie students)? haha.

 

[wannabeaDO]

Does that mean its harder to get into those medical school ?

I'm thinking it may be harder becuase they try to get students with the highest MCAT scores so that they will do well in the boards. In turn they will look good so they can get full accreditation.

 

[SmokD]

Don't get me wrong, I'm a capitalist at heart and don't really think for profit is necessarily a bad thing. But i can see why the government might take issue to granting loans to students at a for profit school. I don't really know if this is the case, again I'm just assuming.

 

[Semicolon]

I'm thinking it may be harder becuase they try to get students with the highest MCAT scores so that they will do well in the boards. In turn they will look good so they can get full accreditation.

That's not how it works at all. Also you're assuming that there is a high correlation between MCAT and the boards (which is hardly the case). Read what antapolar posted; he's on the right track. 🙂

 

[GreenShirt]

ATSU-SOMA is under provisional accreditation and it's students qualify for full federal financial aid.

The new schools (therefore provisional accreditation) include:
RVU
Touro-NY
LMU-DCOM
ATSU-SOMA

 

[Deepa100]

I'm thinking it may be harder becuase they try to get students with the highest MCAT scores so that they will do well in the boards. In turn they will look good so they can get full accreditation.

It does not work like that at all. For example, I have good MCAT scores and stats but did not go to RVU due to their questionable licensing status and other issues. As much as they want to get good students, good students may not go there because they don't want to deal with the financial issues and also they have a lot of choices.

 

[group_theory]

Perhaps you can only get private loans from new schools *that are not branch campuses of pre-existing schools* until the school receives full accreditation. This means that RVU = Private loans until they graduate a class, and Touro-NY = Stafford loans b/c they are a branch of Touro. I seem to remember that's the case, but I could be wrong.

Could someone correct me or confirm?

In order to be eligible for Title IV Programs (Federal student financial assistant programs), a school must be accredited by an agency that is recognized by the US Dept of Education under the Title IV of the Higher Education Act of 1965.

This can be accomplished if the school is accredited by a regional accrediting agency. The AOA is an agency recognized by the US Dept of Education for Title IV purposes, however the school must be free-standing and be fully accredited in order to be eligible for Title IV funds through AOA accrediation.

RVU has provisional accrediation from the AOA and therefore is not eligible for Federal loans through the AOA at this point. RVU does not have any regional accreditation at this point. Once they have full accreditation from the AOA or they get regional accreditation, they will be eligible for loans.

Touro College of Osteopatic Medicine in NY is under the umbrella of Touro College, which is accredited by the Middle States Commission on Higher Education (regional accreditation) - which is why students are eligible for Title IV loans and grants even though they still have provisional accreditation from the AOA.

LMU-DCOM is under Lincoln Memorial University, which is accredited by the Commission of Colleges of the Southern Associations of Colleges and Schools (regional accreditation)

ATSU is accredited by the Higher Learning Commission of the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools (regional accreditation).


Schools with provisional accreditation from the AOA are able to offer federal financial aids because their parent institutions are regionally accredited (and the regional accrediting agency are recognized by the US Dept of Education for Title IV loans). RVU just has provisional accrediation from the AOA and no regional accreditation (in this case, it would be the Higher Learning Commission of the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools)


Branch campuses gets a little bit more interesting because it requires approval of the accrediting agency and the US Dept of Education. For example, even though PCOM-GA is in Georgia, it is a branch campus of PCOM and was granted recognition by the Commision of Higher Education of the Middle States Association of Colleges and Schools (regional accreditation) in 2004 as a branch campus of PCOM. As a result, students were eligible for federal financial aid.

 

[Katatonic]

Is PNWU-COM included in this provisional list, in which you cannot get Stafford loans? I know their fairly new and I don't believe their first class has graduated yet.

 

[PreMedHopeful]

Does anyone apply to these schools with good stats? What's the point going to these schools if they aren't accredited?? Seriously, people should wait before applying until the schools are totally accepted...I mean I bet all the new DO schools are great once they get started with the top technology and teaching tools...but does it matter, since you could go to a school that's not accredited and you will most likely be a lab rat since they are experimenting with new faculty/teaching styles....so I think the branch campuses are better than the brand new school...but some of the new schools... I don't know if I would apply to unless they gave me a huge scholarship or some other incentive because I want experienced professionals teaching me how to become a good doctor...no offense...but reputation matters for me at least

 

[Semicolon]

Does anyone apply to these schools with good stats? What's the point going to these schools if they aren't accredited?? Seriously, people should wait before applying until the schools are totally accepted...I mean I bet all the new DO schools are great once they get started with the top technology and teaching tools...but does it matter, since you could go to a school that's not accredited and you will most likely be a lab rat since they are experimenting with new faculty/teaching styles....so I think the branch campuses are better than the brand new school...but some of the new schools... I don't know if I would apply to unless they gave me a huge scholarship or some other incentive because I want experienced professionals teaching me how to become a good doctor...no offense...but reputation matters for me at least

There's so much false information there.

A new school in no way speaks about the quality of the staff nor the faculty, and especially not the students. Yes, new schools often have kinks to work out (administrative changes, clinical rotations, etc.), but the people who work there often are not new at their job. You're making a lot of false generalizations.

You also have to realize that the majority of how well you do in medical school depends on YOU, not as much the school itself. Yes, the resources and environment that the school provides makes an impact on your experience, but if you work diligently enough you'll obtain a great medical education from any school, new or "old".

Also, are you seriously suggesting that people not apply to new schools? Why, so that they can't ever graduate a class and hence never become accredited? The first few classes are not "lab rats" (which is a very offensive remark, one you should try to refrain from); they will not receive a worse education nor become worse doctors because they came from a new school.

"A huge scholarship or some other incentive"? How about they can teach you to be a doctor? Someone's on their high horse today. 🙄

 

[Amy B]

I went to VCOM before they were fully accredidated. I got federal loans with no problems. Once the first class graduated, they earn full accreditation. Each year they have visits by the boards and make sure they are staying up to snuff so to speak. VCOM passed each year with flying colors so we werent worried about the full part once the first class graduated.

 

[PreMedHopeful]

sorry about my "high horse" comments...but like that just my opinion since I don't want to be apart of the kinks they sort out their first year and affect the quality of education I get...which I understand ultimately is based on me...but seriously, if there was a new school opening in my home state...I would apply and if I got in, would probably go unless I got into a better school...its all about opinions, perspective, and the specific situation

 

[rockchalkjdoc]

There's so much false information there.

A new school in no way speaks about the quality of the staff nor the faculty, and especially not the students. Yes, new schools often have kinks to work out (administrative changes, clinical rotations, etc.), but the people who work there often are not new at their job. You're making a lot of false generalizations.

You also have to realize that the majority of how well you do in medical school depends on YOU, not as much the school itself. Yes, the resources and environment that the school provides makes an impact on your experience, but if you work diligently enough you'll obtain a great medical education from any school, new or "old".

Also, are you seriously suggesting that people not apply to new schools? Why, so that they can't ever graduate a class and hence never become accredited? The first few classes are not "lab rats" (which is a very offensive remark, one you should try to refrain from); they will not receive a worse education nor become worse doctors because they came from a new school.

"A huge scholarship or some other incentive"? How about they can teach you to be a doctor? Someone's on their high horse today. 🙄

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In all truthiness, newer schools might be able to offer a new and refreshing perspective to medical education. They aren't entrenched in "tradition" that might preclude them from trying new methods of educating and/or utilizing technological advances.

 

[MossPoh]

Honestly, new schools are probably less likely to slip up. They have so much invested in the school that they tend to bend over backwards for the early classes. I don't know the details with DO schools, but the LCME is no joke. We got an email about them coming in like a year and a half or something. We are seriously expected to block off our calendar for the days that they come and staff are already working hard to make sure everything is in order.

There really isn't much of a difference between provisional and full accreditation. Just as there isn't much of a difference with schools that have probationary status. I think GW was put on probationary status for something like not having enough study space in the building or along those lines.