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Hi I'm new here, and I'm practicing to become a PSW. I have a question I need help with.

You are working in a rehab unit, your patient had a stroke 3 weeks ago, and you are helping her get dressed, she asks you why you are not wearing gloves. She states that the other nurses do.

I ask those who deal with this, what do you do in this scenario?
 
I'd just explain that you washed your hands beforehand and so they aren't necessary but that if it would make her more comfortable you can put on a pair.
 
I'd just explain that you washed your hands beforehand and so they aren't necessary but that if it would make her more comfortable you can put on a pair.

Wow, that's really good, I would have never thought of that. 🙂

Here's another, your clinical teacher enters the room, while you are providing oral care to your client. She asks you why you are wearing gloves, what would your response be?
 
I'd just explain that you washed your hands beforehand and so they aren't necessary but that if it would make her more comfortable you can put on a pair.

The gloves aren't for the patient's protection, unless they are sterile, which is not applicable in this case. Nonsterile gloves are for the healthcare provider's protection and are only appropriate when contact with potentially infectious material (i.e. blood, urine, feces, saliva, sputum, cerebrospinal fluid, you get the picture) is anticipated.

Handwashing is for the patient's and healthcare provider's protection. It needs to be done before and after patient contact whether wearing gloves or not wearing gloves.

As far as addressing inconsistency in practice among healthcare providers? What can I say? Clearly, not everyone really "gets" just what personal protective equipment (ppe) is for and what type is appropriate for what circumstances. Some will overuse ppe and some will underuse it. And bottom line, proper handwashing is essential with and without it. When you see ppe improperly used or not used when it should be, you should address it. The appropriate way to deal with it will depend on the particular circumstances, but it should not be ignored. Bad practice results in wasted resources at best and illness, suffering, and death at worst.

If you are unsure of what is appropriate, use common sense. If you are helping someone put on socks and shoes, you don't need to wear gloves unless they have a break in their skin with the potential exposure to blood, wound exudate, etc. If you are helping someone with underwear, yes, wear gloves. Bra? No gloves, unless they are lactating or again have skin breakdown. Hopefully you get the picture.

Some patients have special contact precautions such as if they are infected by or have colonized a type of bacteria that is resistant to first line antibiotics, or if they have shingles, or clostridium difficile which produce hardcore resistant spores, for example. In these cases, you would need to protect yourself from contact with any surfaces, bodily or otherwise that could be contaminated with said microbes. This means wearing a disposable gown over your clothes in addition to gloves. If these microbes have the potential to be spread by cough/sneeze droplet, then you need to also wear a mask. If your patient is the spitting type, or there are other splash potentials, wear goggles or a face shield with your mask. If this microbe can be spread by airborne nuclei (such as TB), you need a properly fitted N95 mask.

I hope this helps.
 
Wow, that's really good, I would have never thought of that. 🙂

Here's another, your clinical teacher enters the room, while you are providing oral care to your client. She asks you why you are wearing gloves, what would your response be?

Actually, no that's not a good response. Please see my longwinded post as to why. Not trying to be a jerk. Just trying to educate.

As for the oral care, think this one out. The gloves are to protect you from potentially infectious material. In this case the source of potentially infectious material are the oropharyngeal secretions in your patient's mouth. You don't want them splashing/spraying off the toothbrush bristles onto your hand. You would of course have washed your hands before putting on the gloves and again after removing them.
 
I mean, clearly the gloves aren't necessary, but I was addressing the patient's comment that "all the other nurses [wear them]." Gloves certainly can't hurt, and perhaps the patient feels more comfortable if you are wearing them.

Also, if gloves really aren't necessary, why do all the other nurses wear them? They might all be ignorant of the fact that they don't need them. Or, maybe there is a reason that all the other nurses wear gloves (maybe she does have a break in her skin / wound exudate, etc. You could either ask the patient (who may not have the best memory if she had a stroke 3 weeks ago) if she has any sores / wounds / etc, or you could just put on a pair of gloves and be done with it.
 
Actually, no that's not a good response. Please see my longwinded post as to why. Not trying to be a jerk. Just trying to educate.

As for the oral care, think this one out. The gloves are to protect you from potentially infectious material. In this case the source of potentially infectious material are the oropharyngeal secretions in your patient's mouth. You don't want them splashing/spraying off the toothbrush bristles onto your hand. You would of course have washed your hands before putting on the gloves and again after removing them.

I'm sorry I'm new here, where can I find that post?

I have one more question:

A nurse on your floor asks you to help her clean up a client who just had a BM. She puts on a pair of gloves, after she finishes, the task, she asks you to help her transfer the resident to a wheelchair. During this procedure, she leaves her gloves on. Indicate what the nurse has made in this situation and what you would say to her.
 
I suspect that OP is getting free homework help. OP, sorry to say but SDN is not a place to get your homework done for you (we are neurotic and will). I believe it is against the terms of service to ask for such help.

OP= original poster since you are new.
 
I suspect that OP is getting free homework help. OP, sorry to say but SDN is not a place to get your homework done for you (we are neurotic and will). I believe it is against the terms of service to ask for such help.

OP= original poster since you are new.

I assure you, these isn't homework, these are questions friends and I have been asking each other and I wanted a new PoV.
 
your clinical teacher enters the room, while you are providing oral care to your client. She asks you why you are wearing gloves, what would your response be?

These are definitely homework questions. I suggest you have a little fun with this one 😀
 
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I mean, clearly the gloves aren't necessary, but I was addressing the patient's comment that "all the other nurses [wear them]." Gloves certainly can't hurt, and perhaps the patient feels more comfortable if you are wearing them.

Also, if gloves really aren't necessary, why do all the other nurses wear them? They might all be ignorant of the fact that they don't need them. Or, maybe there is a reason that all the other nurses wear gloves (maybe she does have a break in her skin / wound exudate, etc. You could either ask the patient (who may not have the best memory if she had a stroke 3 weeks ago) if she has any sores / wounds / etc, or you could just put on a pair of gloves and be done with it.

Other than being a (comparatively) small waste of resources, wearing the gloves don't hurt. One thing to consider is that you don't need gloves just to touch a person, but you do need to wear them when you anticipate touching something contaminated or "dirty". You don't want to send a nonverbal message to someone that they are contaminated or dirty because you don't even shake their hand without wearing gloves. You can actually make someone feel uncomfortable by wearing gloves for no good reason. See what I'm saying? In other words, I would expect my doctor to put on gloves for doing a pelvic exam. I would would think it strange and feel a little bit weird if my doctor were to put on gloves to listen to my heart and lungs with a stethoscope. Other people might not think anything of it. The patient in the example, however, did notice and commented on the difference.

It's not a huge deal, but wearing a pair of gloves just to dress a patient just because you don't know what you might find is seldom legitimate. You should know what's going on with your patient. You can't make assumptions one way or another about memory impairment based on the diagnosis of stroke, fyi. You shouldn't need to ask, and depending on how you go about it can make your patient feel uncomfortable. ("Um, do you have anything yucky going on that I need to put gloves on for?"- exaggerated for illustrative purposes) If you find something new or unexpected, deal with it then. It doesn't justify going around putting on gloves for every patient just to help them throw on some sweats and a t-shirt. There may be a legitimate reason that the nurses wear gloves, and if there is that reason should be passed along in report. If not, then ask the nurses why they are wearing gloves for this task. If they are dealing with clothes that come in contact with stool or urine, etc., then yeah, of course wear gloves. But like you said, "They might all be ignorant of the fact that they don't need them." There are plenty, plenty nurses that will put on a pair of gloves just to pass meds. And it is nonsense. Not the very worst sort of nonsense, but nonsense just the same.

I'm sorry I'm new here, where can I find that post?

I have one more question:

A nurse on your floor asks you to help her clean up a client who just had a BM. She puts on a pair of gloves, after she finishes, the task, she asks you to help her transfer the resident to a wheelchair. During this procedure, she leaves her gloves on. Indicate what the nurse has made in this situation and what you would say to her.

Come on now, really? You need someone to point out to you that the nurse is touching surfaces with her poopy gloves when she should have removed them and washed her damn hands? You should discreetly say something along the lines of, "Um, I think you've still got your poopy gloves on." At that point she can say, "Oh, gosh, sorry, you're right! Thanks for reminding me!"

I suspect that OP is getting free homework help. OP, sorry to say but SDN is not a place to get your homework done for you (we are neurotic and will). I believe it is against the terms of service to ask for such help.

OP= original poster since you are new.

This is homework? WTF? But now that you mention it, that second question is worded pretty artificially. That's it OP, you're cut off. You can have what I've already written, but you're on your own now. If you have any common sense, you should be fine.
 
I assure you, these isn't homework, these are questions friends and I have been asking each other and I wanted a new PoV.

O Rly?

I'm sorry I'm new here, where can I find that post?

I have one more question:

A nurse on your floor asks you to help her clean up a client who just had a BM. She puts on a pair of gloves, after she finishes, the task, she asks you to help her transfer the resident to a wheelchair. During this procedure, she leaves her gloves on. Indicate what the nurse has made in this situation and what you would say to her.

This sounds very problem setish.
 
I have one more question:

A nurse on your floor asks you to help her clean up a client who just had a BM. She puts on a pair of gloves, after she finishes, the task, she asks you to help her transfer the resident to a wheelchair. During this procedure, she leaves her gloves on. Indicate what the nurse has made in this situation and what you would say to her.

This sounds very problem setish.

Yeah...these situations sound very specifically worded. 😏

At least be clever about it. For example: "So the other day I was working in the hospital and..." Notice how the sentence starts with "so," which minimizes the suspicion.
 
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