What do you guys think about a Masters in Philosophy?

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I am not in all that of a rush to get on to med school. I would like to experience some of my twenties : )

I majored in philosophy, and took a year off after school to travel. I have all my pre-reqs done and will be taking the MCAT this July. I took the GRE and scored well last year. Two questions:

1.) How do you think it would affect my application to do a one year philosophy masters this fall? I have applied to 3 schools, but have also applied to a few MPH and MPP schools as well. What do you think would support my application better? (I am talking in regards to top tier schools)

2.) Anyone have any experience with including GRE scores? I scored a 1510 on the old GRE this past June (it will still be accepted for the next five years even though there is a new program)

Thoughts?

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I am not in all that of a rush to get on to med school. I would like to experience some of my twenties : )

I majored in philosophy, and took a year off after school to travel. I have all my pre-reqs done and will be taking the MCAT this July. I took the GRE and scored well last year. Two questions:

1.) How do you think it would affect my application to do a one year philosophy masters this fall? I have applied to 3 schools, but have also applied to a few MPH and MPP schools as well. What do you think would support my application better? (I am talking in regards to top tier schools)

2.) Anyone have any experience with including GRE scores? I scored a 1510 on the old GRE this past June (it will still be accepted for the next five years even though there is a new program)

Thoughts?
They likely won't care at all about a masters of Philosophy, though doing poorly in it could hurt you. They won't care about the GRE scores, and they definitely won't make up for a low MCAT at all. If you really want to do it, go ahead and do it, but if you are doing it because you think it will boost your application, there are many more higher-yield ways to do that; they just won't care for the most part.
 
Yeah, I am not doing it only to help my app. You don't think it makes me a more interesting applicant? What about all the critical thinking crap and well roundedness?

Thanks for the reply!
 
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Yeah, I am not doing it only to help my app. You don't think it makes me a more interesting applicant? What about all the critical thinking crap and well roundedness?

Thanks for the reply!

Not worth it if you ask me. If you want to go and have fun do something other than philosophy. Be useful. Volunteer somewhere. Just don't be a waste of space, because imo that's what liberal arts grad students are.
 
Well, natural philosophy was where all our sciences stemmed from.

OP: Do what you want. Do you value philosophy? If it is worth it to you, do it. If you just don't want to go to med school right now, volunteer, work, and wait.
 
One does not simply think about a masters in philosophy
 
What about all the critical thinking crap ... ?

Thanks for the reply!

Umm, you are taking the MCAT this summer and the proposed philosophy program starts in the fall. By the time the philosophy program starts, you will already have a two digit number that tells medical schools everything they want to know about your critical thinking skills.
 
If I were going down this route, I'd pursue a MA in Bioethics. It's not as broad in coverage as general philosophy, but I think it would be very attractive to some adcoms. Also, it sounds like you have your proverbial ducks in a row regarding the requirements.....so do what you want! As a philosophy major you should be accustomed to going against the grain for the pursuit of ideas. Don't let others' lack of appreciation for the humanities rain on your parade.
 
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I don't see what needs explaining. I expressed an opinion, the implications of which are obvious.

I'd also be interested in how you formed this opinion. Thanks!
 
Thanks so much for all of your replies. I must say that I got a good chuckle at dmf2682's post. If it was a joke it is funny.

If it wasn't intended as joke it is all the more funny.

The MA in bioethics is an option at two of the schools I applied to. Good thinking!

I will be working as an EMT part time regardless... so don't worry too much about me dmf2682 : ) I will at least be doing one thing that is productive..
 
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Not worth it if you ask me. If you want to go and have fun do something other than philosophy. Be useful. Volunteer somewhere. Just don't be a waste of space, because imo that's what liberal arts grad students are.

The only reason to clarify this statement would be if you don't want people thinking you are opposed to all those with any sort of non-science/math degree. That was the conclusion I drew from reading your post.

notsurifsrs.

If you are serious, you must be a very close-minded person. (In regards to education, at least).
 
Not worth it if you ask me. If you want to go and have fun do something other than philosophy. Be useful. Volunteer somewhere. Just don't be a waste of space, because imo that's what liberal arts grad students are.

God forbid somebody goes into a field other than medicine. Sounds like you're bitter that you didn't have fun in college while everybody else did.

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Edit: OP, if you like philosophy, go for it. I for one think it'll add to the elusive "well-roundedness" every applicant is trying to achieve. If you don't like philosophy, there are easier ways to get broad experiences.
 
Just messing. My sister did a doctorate in literature, and I love getting her all riled up about the usefulness of her degree. To each their own, do what you want 🙂
 
Just messing. My sister did a doctorate in literature, and I love getting her all riled up about the usefulness of her degree. To each their own, do what you want 🙂

Damn... Successful trollolol
 
Successful troll indeed. I appreciate everyone's responses. I really do have an interest in philosophy, I am not doing it just for the med app. I guess I will wait to see what happens in terms of acceptances : )
 
Yeah, I am not doing it only to help my app. You don't think it makes me a more interesting applicant? What about all the critical thinking crap and well roundedness?

Thanks for the reply!

Are you aware of the following:
1) It takes around 2-4 years to get a M.A. in Philosophy if you don't plan on getting a Ph.D.
2) Your MCAT scores will only be valid for 2-3 years depending on what schools you plan on applying to, so it would be in your best interest to determine asap whether medicine or philosophy is your calling.
3) If you don't attend a Lieter (philosophicalgourmet.com) Top 15 school, you're going to be wasting valuable tuition money. E.g., suppose you decide against med school, want to stick it out in philosophy and apply to Ph.D. programs. If you didn't attend a "good" program with faculty mentors who are extremely well connected, I can almost guarantee that you're not going to have very many options down the road. (You might even have to move to Brazil or China to find even a $40K/year position.)
4) Medical schools care about three things: your grades, your MCAT score, and your extracurriculars. If you have good grades, good MCAT score distribution, and acceptable ECs, you have as good a chance as anyone else of gaining acceptance to some med school. You really shouldn't try to get a MA just to please adcoms because at the end of the day, most people know that philosophy grad school isn't a cakewalk and is likely significantly harder than medical school.

Without knowing your disciplinary interests and financial situation, my best advice to you would be to pursue medicine, simply get a copy of any and all books in your potential MA thesis area, and read in your free time. You can teach yourself to become well-rounded and you can find a philosophy TA or professor with free time to help you answer any burning questions you have. PM me if you want more specific feedback.
 
@varsityblue... thanks for taking the time to write all of that out. Just to make something clear that I didn't early, my motivation for doing the MA has nothing to do at all with my Med App. I was just curious s to whether or not people thought it would be any bump to my app.

I plan to take the MCAT and apply this cycle, thus one year down of the MA for waiting until next year to enter Med school. I thin most schools would be willing to grant a deferral, although I could be wrong. If I decide to wait a year, which I may do because my MCAT is late (July) the burn year plus the year I waited = MA (2 Years).

Your comments about top 15 are on mark, but my apps are to top 15 schools so I am good in that regard : ) But you couldn't be more correct. Philosophy MAs are a strange thing and usually not desirable for an academic. You correctly state that people will be wondering what the deal is with an MA and not a PhD.

Books are great... but as we know... Socrates didn't write anything down because he believed the purest forms of philosophy to be dialectical. Books don't cut it alone, you have to have bright people to talk about it with.

I really was just curious what peoples thoughts were and I appreciate everyone's opinions!
 
Why get a graduate degree in philosophy? Was there some topic you don't feel has been adequately thought about in the last thousand years? IMO, you are better off doing anything else, especially if it comes with a positive cash flow.
 
@varsityblue... thanks for taking the time to write all of that out. Just to make something clear that I didn't early, my motivation for doing the MA has nothing to do at all with my Med App. I was just curious s to whether or not people thought it would be any bump to my app.

I plan to take the MCAT and apply this cycle, thus one year down of the MA for waiting until next year to enter Med school. I thin most schools would be willing to grant a deferral, although I could be wrong. If I decide to wait a year, which I may do because my MCAT is late (July) the burn year plus the year I waited = MA (2 Years).

Your comments about top 15 are on mark, but my apps are to top 15 schools so I am good in that regard : ) But you couldn't be more correct. Philosophy MAs are a strange thing and usually not desirable for an academic. You correctly state that people will be wondering what the deal is with an MA and not a PhD.

Books are great... but as we know... Socrates didn't write anything down because he believed the purest forms of philosophy to be dialectical. Books don't cut it alone, you have to have bright people to talk about it with.

I really was just curious what peoples thoughts were and I appreciate everyone's opinions!

Well, Romney just won both Arizona and my homestate of Michigan so I'm both happy and glad to help. #romney2012

1) I'm fairly certain medical schools only grant deferrals when a student has won a fellowship like the Rhodes, Fulbright, or Marshall or a postgrad program like TFA or the Peace Corps. Wanting to take time off to pursue another graduate degree probably wouldn't cut it at med schools like Harvard and Michigan. E.g., a friend of mine recently won a Marshall and was told by three different medical schools--including U of Washington--that he couldn't get a two-year deferral.

2) Most people who get only MAs are doing so because they were either recruited into ibanking/consulting or didn't hustle enough to get into their PhD program. If you feel that money is going to lure you into choosing a certain profession later on, you're better off sticking with medicine. I can promise you that the majority of your M.A. time will be spent taking classes with profs you probably don't like all that much, mastering German, and TAing courses filled with annoying undergrads. You won't have all that much freedom to ponder the questions that I presume are plaguing you until you become a tenured professor. The road to get to that point is extraordinarily long and difficult and most end up selling out by getting on the faculty at a prep school/small LAC and barely making $60K/year. In the end, though, I think the key to success in life is to be better than everyone else in one specific area that you absolutely love. If you want to dedicate your life--or at least a portion of your life--to writing about the answers great thinkers gave when asked existential questions, more power to you. I mean, haven't all the major questions already been debated, answered, and ruminated upon for centuries? Most of the modern philosophical "scholarship" that I'm familiar with spews the same kind of hipster nonsense found in the Postmodernist Generator (hit refresh a few times).

3) I have to disagree with you about the dialectical nature of philosophy. It isn't important to discuss ideas with others or even have a physical teacher in front of you to answer any questions you may have. I'd argue that you can learn almost anything you've ever wanted to know on your own by utilizing free internet resources like the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, Wikipedia, Google Books, iTunesU, your university library, and MIT's OpenCourseWare. I actually met with a philosophy TA during the first half of my self-study project and didn't find him to be all that helpful. I seem to get a lot more out of assigning myself short papers to write every three days and stashing them under my bed. Most profs, in my experience, only really care about their doctoral charges.

Anyway, good luck with whatever you choose. 🙂
 
I plan to take the MCAT and apply this cycle, thus one year down of the MA for waiting until next year to enter Med school. I thin most schools would be willing to grant a deferral, although I could be wrong. If I decide to wait a year, which I may do because my MCAT is late (July) the burn year plus the year I waited = MA (2 Years).
You need to decide if you want to get the masters or not. It is unlikely that a medical school will let you defer because you are in the middle of a program. If you're applying for matriculation in year 2017 then plan on matriculating then. Apply when you are ready to start not just because you want two attempts.
 
Total waste of time and money as far as enhancing your med school application. If you need more time to enjoy your twenties, then go backpacking in Central America for 6 months and chat up the shorties on the beaches.
 
3) I have to disagree with you about the dialectical nature of philosophy. It isn't important to discuss ideas with others or even have a physical teacher in front of you to answer any questions you may have. I'd argue that you can learn almost anything you've ever wanted to know on your own by utilizing free internet resources like the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, Wikipedia, Google Books, iTunesU, your university library, and MIT's OpenCourseWare. I actually met with a philosophy TA during the first half of my self-study project and didn't find him to be all that helpful. I seem to get a lot more out of assigning myself short papers to write every three days and stashing them under my bed. Most profs, in my experience, only really care about their doctoral charges.

Sorry, I can't let this go : ) Its the philosopher in me. It is of course fine that you disagree, but just to be clear, you aren't disagreeing with me per say, at least in terms of who originated the idea. You are disagreeing with Socrates (via Plato) this is his explicit view that philosophy is dialectical, that is why he didn't write anything down. You are allowed to disagree with Socrates, as many have, but I am going to side with the guy that founded Western Intellectual Thought at least in terms of the nature of philosophy, but hey do what you want. Also "answering any questions you have" is not the role of a good philosophy professor. If you had one that gave you "answers" to your questions, that is unfortunate, as that is not real philosophy. Its not about learning content, its about ways of thinking. My favorite philosophy prof said, "I do not want to teach you to think what I think, I want to teach you how I think." This is the philosopher's education.

The materials you referenced are very high quality, and some of which I use regularly. I will check out the others that I am unfamiliar with.

You also keep referring to philosophy TAs. The idea of a philosophy TA is comical, and I would wager that anyone who is such a TA is a tool and not worth one's time. All of the top thinkers in my program, wouldn't have been caught dead in such a position, 1.)You can't tutor philosophy, and 2.) it would be incredibly boring trying to do so. The good scientist in us also knows that one TA does not speak for the validity of all programs it seems like a pretty small sample size.

Your short papers idea every three days is very good and something that I do still to this day. We were required in all of my upper division courses to write a one or two page paper for each class meeting. It really helps synthesis the information, but the value of course comes from discussing the papers, not from just writing them.

Also the, profs only care about their PhDs, comment is a little cynical and quite a generalization. Almost every philosophy prof I have come in contact with, which is around 20+ in regards to conferences and classwork have been extremely helpful and have a sincere interest in working on the material at hand.

I am curious how you seemingly have good insights into the field of philosophy, at least regarding graduate school, but yet have such a bad opinion of formalized philosophical training. Did you take a class or two and dislike it or what? If you majored in it, you must have had a very poor string of faculty to have such an opinion.


Well anyways... I appreciate your responses and the time you took to write it out. I just disagree with some of your conclusions that is all : ) I am going to let you have the last post if you so desire, I won't drag this back and forth out any more.
 
"...And then I came to philosophy, physics, and mathematics. In fact, I came to mathematics indirectly. I was really more interested in physics and philosophy and thought about those. It is a little shortened but not quite wrong to say: I thought I am not good enough for physics and I am too good for philosophy. Mathematics is in between." George Polya.

I pretty much agree with George Polya.
 
You're going to spend $30k+ on a degree you'll never use in order to, maybe, appear "interesting"?

If you're going to throw money at an MA/MS make it one that might be a decent backup plan.
 
I am not in all that of a rush to get on to med school. I would like to experience some of my twenties : )

I majored in philosophy, and took a year off after school to travel. I have all my pre-reqs done and will be taking the MCAT this July. I took the GRE and scored well last year. Two questions:

1.) How do you think it would affect my application to do a one year philosophy masters this fall? I have applied to 3 schools, but have also applied to a few MPH and MPP schools as well. What do you think would support my application better? (I am talking in regards to top tier schools)

2.) Anyone have any experience with including GRE scores? I scored a 1510 on the old GRE this past June (it will still be accepted for the next five years even though there is a new program)

Thoughts?

Well obviously your old GRE school is of a very high standard, and you should be directing your attention to top institutions in order to gain philosophical knowledge from the supposed best in the field. Most folks on here will quickly evaluate your situation, saying you are wasting time. The reality is I have seen a plastic surgeon (and I'm sure many others) with a masters in fine art before they went to medical school, practicing painting and sculpting. If you have the brains you should do what you want. But the fact that you question your personal desire, leaving it into the hands of eager pre-medical candidates, means I think you should question your devotion to either field. The polymaths and other greats of our past and present time do whatever they wanted, and did many things at the highest level.
 
It's about as useful as an undergrad philosophy degree.
 
@poisson - Good points : ) I just posted out of curiosity if it would have any affect on my application, but I am certainly not " leaving it into the hands of eager pre-medical candidates." Having already applied to the schools, I am going in this direction. Just curious of the result.

Thanks for taking the time to post!
 
You also keep referring to philosophy TAs. The idea of a philosophy TA is comical, and I would wager that anyone who is such a TA is a tool and not worth one's time. All of the top thinkers in my program, wouldn't have been caught dead in such a position, 1.)You can't tutor philosophy, and 2.) it would be incredibly boring trying to do so. The good scientist in us also knows that one TA does not speak for the validity of all programs it seems like a pretty small sample size.

Your short papers idea every three days is very good and something that I do still to this day. We were required in all of my upper division courses to write a one or two page paper for each class meeting. It really helps synthesis the information, but the value of course comes from discussing the papers, not from just writing them.

Also the, profs only care about their PhDs, comment is a little cynical and quite a generalization. Almost every philosophy prof I have come in contact with, which is around 20+ in regards to conferences and classwork have been extremely helpful and have a sincere interest in working on the material at hand.

I am curious how you seemingly have good insights into the field of philosophy, at least regarding graduate school, but yet have such a bad opinion of formalized philosophical training. Did you take a class or two and dislike it or what? If you majored in it, you must have had a very poor string of faculty to have such an opinion.

1) Graduate student philosophy TAs are paid quite a bit to help undergraduates with papers and any questions they may have. If we understand tutoring to be a situation where "a private teacher...teaches a single student or a very small group" (OED), we can then conclude that his helping me construct a thesis for a paper and devise a reading list for my self-study project constitutes tutoring. Furthermore, he seemed to enjoy affording me the opportunity to answer my questions myself. Therefore, philosophy TAs can, in fact, have an enjoyable time tutoring philosophy.
2) Not going to nitpick your spelling, grammar, and punctuation mistakes but I have to say this: it's synthesize, not synthesis. You're going to fail your GREs if you don't brush up on your writing skills as quickly as possible.
3) I meant that within the context of graduate school, Ph.D. students and M.A. students on the Ph.D. track are given more attention than M.A. students.
4) I actually fell for the philosophy TA I mentioned, got sidetracked a bit in lala land, and actually thought he was the "one." Seeing as I'd never actually been that into a guy before, I researched his career and the kinds of life path choices he'd probably have taken. Nothing ever came of it and I ended up ceasing all contact once I realized how deep my feelings for him were, lol. 😳
5) I haven't taken any philosophy classes but am in the middle of a self-study project that covers the Classics in Western Philosophy, critical thinking/rhetoric, and the problems-based approach to philosophical inquiry. I currently meet once a week with a high-ranking prof in the department though I still maintain that I'm my own best teacher. Anyway, if my efforts in reading works by great thinkers help me answer what it means to be "good" and to lead a virtuous life, I'll consider myself successful in my quest and ready to hit the "real world" upon graduation day in June 2014. 😀
 
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