What does it mean?

[Integra99]

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In the Navy HPSP handbook it talks about the Navy Drug Policy saying that if you test positive, you will be processed for "administrative separation from the Navy with recoupment of funds." My question is: what does that mean exactly? Is an "administrative separation" like being convicted of a crime (drug offense or otherwise)? And as far as recoupment of funds: would they expect you to pay it back immediately, do you get charged interest for the monies they gave you, or is it just give back what we gave u? Would you owe any years back anyways? Not that this is my situation, but the Navy makes a huge deal about ZERO TOLERANCE drug policy (illicit and even prescription) so just want to be informed about it. Is an administrative discharge always a dishonorable discharge?

 

[MedicalCorpse]

Not that this is my situation, but the Navy makes a huge deal about ZERO TOLERANCE drug policy (illicit and even prescription) so just want to be informed about it. Is an administrative discharge always a dishonorable discharge?

I hear the first sign of CDS use is double vision, which results in duplicate thread posting. Hope this helps.

Oh, you want a real answer.

An enlisted person caught using drugs via drug test (vs. getting caught with stuff) may get off with non-judicial punishment (Article 15), rehab, etc. Officers will likely get the book thrown at them, with good reason.

I will defer to my Navy colleagues for specific Navy regs and policies. The Air Force uses the ADAPT program...but that's primarily for alcohol, a legal drug; I doubt an officer could (or should) be caught using illegal drugs and return to duty as if nothing happened.

I will spare you a long diatribe about how my specialty, anesthesiology, is at especially high risk for drug abuse, and about how many brilliant young residents and staff die every year from fentanyl/sufentanil overdoses.

On a lighter note:

Here's an excerpt from a cool page on about.com re: discharge codes people get on their DD214s; for some reason, DoD is no longer making the meanings of these public (part of this administration's drive to classify everything, including the chow hall menu, I guess). Note that homosexuality and drug use show up multiple times:

From: http://usmilitary.about.com/od/lifeafterthemilitary/l/blcode_2_2.htm

HKE - Financial Irresponsibility

HKG - Fraudulent Entry

HKH - Lack of Dependent Support

HKJ - Shirking

HKK - Drug use

HKL - Sexual Perversion

HKQ - No information on file

HLB - Discreditable Incidents - Civilian or Military

HLC - Homosexuality

HLF - Drug use

HLG - Financial Irresponsibility

HLH - Lack of Dependent Support

HLJ - Shirking

HLK - Unsanitary Habits

HLL - Sexual Perversion

HMB - Character or Behavior Disorder

HMC - Enuresis

HMD - Inaptitude

HMF - Sexual Perversion

HMG - Alcoholism

HMJ - Motivational problems

HMM - Drug use

HMN - Financial Irresponsibility

HMN - Unsuitability (Reason Unknown)

HMP - Unsanitary Habits

HNB - Character or Behavior Disorder

HNC - Misconduct (Reason Unknown)

HPD - No information at this time

HRC - Homosexuality

HRG - No information at this time

HWL - Homosexuality

J11 - USAF Other

JBB - Involuntary discharge, age, USAF

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R, a solid FBK - Expiration of Term of Service - on my DD214
http://www.medicalcorpse.com
No Unsanitary Habits Here!

 

[PharmD2MD]

I'm not sure if commissioned officers can technically receive dishonorable discharges. Administrative seperation doesn't always equate to dishonorable discharge and it's different if you are an officer vice enlisted. Maybe someone else can enlighten us. However, they can (and will) can an officer who pops positive for an illicit drug. And it will probably follow the individual for a long long time.

The Navy has rehab programs also- SARP (?) or something like that. You can't declare your habit and desire for rehab on the morning you are notified that you have to donate pee. At that point it's too late.

Prescription drugs are considered illicit if you don't have a prescription for them. Otherwise, if your health care provider gives you some Vicodin or whatever and you declare this to the official pi$$ testers, plus have documentation in your medical record of the prescription then you ok.

I didn't know that enuresis and unsanitary habits were official discharge codes. For some reason, I find that humorous.

 

[MedicalCorpse]

I didn't know that enuresis and unsanitary habits were official discharge codes. For some reason, I find that humorous.

More discharge codes, some humorous, some sad, some very serious:

BRA - Engaged or attempted to engage in, or solicited another to engage in homosexual act(s) [They said bra]

ELPAC - Entry Level Performance & Conduct (I could say this of several O-5s
and above)

FDF - Pregnancy

FDG - Parenthood

GKA - Discreditable Incidents - Civilian or Military

GKB - Civil Court conviction

GKQ - No listing at this time.

JCP - Other, Alien not lawfully admitted (Grey or otherwise, one presumes)

JFU - Positive Urinalysis (*****Note*****)

JFV5 - Medical board determination of obesity, USMC

JFV6 - Discharge because of a physical condition which is not disabling
(Pseudofolliculitis Barbae), USMC (what amazes me is that PB is spelled correctly, while so many other words on this site [e.g., unqualified] are misspelled time and time again).

JFX - Personality disorder (See also JMB)

JKK - Drug use (*****Note*****)

JRC - Marriage or attempted marriage to a person known to be of the same
biological sex (note: nothing is stated here regarding species, although that might be an HKL)

KCO - Sole surviving son (note: not daughter)

LDG - Inability to perform prescribed duties due to parenthood

LDPC - Nonfulfillment of service contract, with readjustment payment, USAF (appropos to those wanting out of HPSP)

LET - Entry level status performance and conduct or pregnancy (equivalent in the eyes of the military, it seems)

LGC - Involuntary release: twice failed (t)emporary promotion, USAF (why so many docs were kicked out in the 90s after simply failing to do PME; like a *****, I took and passed ACSC in 1996-97)

LND - Misc reasons: medical service personnel who receive unfavorable
background investigation or National Agency check (hmmmmmmmmmmm)

MOD - Sole surviving son (not daughter)

XOH - Dependency or Hardship

Your ever humorous,

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R

 

[DropkickMurphy]

You can only received a dishonorable discharge if you are convicted at court martial (or so I was told)

 

[island doc]

More discharge codes, some humorous, some sad, some very serious:

LGC - Involuntary release: twice failed (t)emporary promotion, USAF (why so many docs were kicked out in the 90s after simply failing to do PME; like a *****, I took and passed ACSC in 1996-97)

Or, as in my case, for simply being a GMO at the end of my AF ADSC. (Yes, it really is true.) Very interesting that they would actually pay a GMO to separate "involuntarily"-and I use that term very loosely-at the end of their obligation, especially for the reason of the need to eliminate GMO's after they had compelled us to become GMO's in the first place four years earlier.

 

[NavyFP]

In the Navy HPSP handbook it talks about the Navy Drug Policy saying that if you test positive, you will be processed for "administrative separation from the Navy with recoupment of funds." My question is: what does that mean exactly? Is an "administrative separation" like being convicted of a crime (drug offense or otherwise)? And as far as recoupment of funds: would they expect you to pay it back immediately, do you get charged interest for the monies they gave you, or is it just give back what we gave u? Would you owe any years back anyways? Not that this is my situation, but the Navy makes a huge deal about ZERO TOLERANCE drug policy (illicit and even prescription) so just want to be informed about it. Is an administrative discharge always a dishonorable discharge?

Testing positive for drugs results in a Bad Conduct Discharge (Big Chicken Dinner). Not sure how they actually go about recouping funds, but noting how they do it when you are in, my guess is it could be pretty punative.

Best option, don't do it. Many state licensing boards won't give you a license if you do.

 

[MedicalCorpse]

Best option, don't do it. Many state licensing boards won't give you a license if you do.

In other words, just say "No" to CDSes to avoid a Big Chicken Dinner.
In other words, just say "No" to CDSes to avoid a Big Chicken Dinner.

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R
If you are seeing double, maybe you need help right now.


(only funny if you remember that the original poster posted the thread twice, so I said...never mind...)

 

[former military]

we had a huge auditorium hospital commander's call at whmc where the 2 star general gave us a rant about using ecstasy and that not only would we be prosecuted, disciplined etc. but they would also call our parents. This was a quaking threat to the 40 yr old doctors who dominated the audience. apparently, a memo had been sent to all commanders to check the box that the briefing for "no ecstasy" talk had been given. Instead, I got a full dose of non-ecstasy over the next 6 years.

 

[MedicalCorpse]

Instead, I got a full dose of non-ecstasy over the next 6 years.

U.S. Military Medicine: The Anti-Orgasm.

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R