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[WannabeOrtho]

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Heya all,

Yes I know I have posted quiet abit of threads since I came yesterday. I guess I am full of questions. 😛

Anyway, What do you all mean when you say get into research? Research what? Do they look/ask for this kind of stuff in interviews, and applications getting into medical schools? What do you research? Where do you find out about research programs?

Does anyone actually have a transcript, or something of exactly what happens at a medical school interview?

 

[Skillbot]

Heya all,

Yes I know I have posted quiet abit of threads since I came yesterday. I guess I am full of questions. 😛

Anyway, What do you all mean when you say get into research? Research what? Do they look/ask for this kind of stuff in interviews, and applications getting into medical schools? What do you research? Where do you find out about research programs?

Does anyone actually have a transcript, or something of exactly what happens at a medical school interview?

http://www.medschoolready.com/app/default.asp
A bunch of info on the web as well.

 

[DrFeelgoodMD]

What they mean when they say "do research" is to help with or even create a study that has some scientific relevance. In my opinion, if you want to go into primary or specialty care dealing with patients, then I would probably try to find a doc who is looking for some help with a clinical research project and work your ass off with him/her to hopefully get something presented or published (which is what I did). Not to mention that they would be someone who could write an excellent LOR for you as well. Sometimes postings are made through a school's website looking for co-invesitgators, but I would advise that you ask around at someplace like a local hospital to find out....there are always doctors doing some kind of research.

As for the interview, doing research will give you and the interviewer something else to talk about (along with all the other quesitons they will have for you), and if you are knowledgable about the work you have done, it will only make you more appealing to the adcoms.

Hope this helps!

J 🙂

 

[whatdapho]

in addition to clinical research, you DEFINITELY have research experience in the basic sciences such as a research lab. you're not "researching" like a book report of course. you're working under the supervision of a PI- primary investigator to answer basic questions in science where it be protein interaction, pathways, etc. Go about and search around your university if you're at one or even local biotech companies to see if they have open positions that you can fill. if you're lucky and have taken a lab class at school, you can ask your professor if they have any space in their lab. good luck with everything

 

[Tori's dad]

If you live by or go to school at a major acedemic institution (usually with a medical school attached) there will be various ongoing research projects. If you are willing (ie volunteer sometimes) you can usually get a spot helping with one of these projects. They are often in need of someone with some lab skills and usually can't pay too much so they accept undergrads.

E-mail a bunch of the docs in charge of the labs and you'll probably find someone to who will take you on. Maybe even pay you. Just be sure that you can do basic lab stuff like make specific concentrations of solutions, different types of plates, and be framiliar with basic lab equipemnt: pippettors, microscopes, volumetric glassware etc.

good luck

 

[WannabeOrtho]

Are their any other ways of find research areas? I mean would maybe the doctor I am shadowing know some friends, or something who is doing research?


Another question. I have been reading these threads, and keep thinking, "What are they talking about?". When one say's they have something published in a medical article, what exactly would they have published? A new drug? A new way of doing something. I guess I really don't get what in the world you research. What effects something has on a rat? Do any of you have any examples of research projects you have been involved in, or done yourself, and/or publications you have had in magazines etc... I am trying to figure out what exactly you research, or have published.

 

[DrFeelgoodMD]

Yes...the doctor you are shadowing may know some colleagues who are involved with research that he could direct you to....who knows, he might be involved in some research too! And as Tori's Dad said, check with the teaching hospital affiliated with your school (if they have one).

When we talk about getting something published, we are talking about research work or even case reports that we have done which gets published in a peer-reviewed medical or scientific journal. It could be dealing with biological, chemical, clinical, or animal research but something that is medically related. You don't need to create a new drug (most docs arent doing that anyways) or cure a disease to get published; it could be follow-up work to a previous study done many years ago and you are looking to see how newer technology can maybe enhance the results - it could be a number of things. The work I am doing is nothing ground breaking but it is still important nonetheless.

If you want to look at things that people have published, go to www.pubmed.com and just search for something you are interested and you will get numerous abstracts from people who have done work in that field...maybe it can inspire you to think of your own study.

J

 

[WannabeOrtho]

So can anyone do a "research" and if it's good get it in a medical journal? I mean it can be anything right? (Example: The way the body reacts differently to the different types of pop). Could that technically be a research project? The difference it reacts by the tastes of Pepsi to Coca-Cola, to Dr. Pepper?(Mind you this is a mear example, and I somewhat have no intentions on doing this as it seems alittle childish, but it's all I could think of at the time) I essentially think that would be interesting. Would that be a decent example?

Or can someone give some examples?

 

[Buckeye(OH)]

So can anyone do a "research" and if it's good get it in a medical journal? I mean it can be anything right? (Example: The way the body reacts differently to the different types of pop). Could that technically be a research project? The difference it reacts by the tastes of Pepsi to Coca-Cola, to Dr. Pepper?(Mind you this is a mear example, and I somewhat have no intentions on doing this as it seems alittle childish, but it's all I could think of at the time) I essentially think that would be interesting. Would that be a decent example?

Or can someone give some examples?

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Ex: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/..._uids=15297404&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum

this is one that i was involved with as an undergrad.

 

[Ema]

It all depends where you work, who you work with, and how you get the position. It can be for a credit, independent study, or paid position. Now as a undergrad you probably won't research much, let alone discover a new drug or something like that.You will most likely be helping out grad students or profs by doing a small things around the lab and that can mean (depending on the type of the lab) PCR, culture plating, growing cells, counting them, washing dishes, preparing solutions🙂. However, you can get a chance to work on your own project if you know what are you doing, lab has funding etc. The real thing is done by grad students who will use you as their help so that they do not have to spend time doing a small stuff. The beggining is like that, but later you can gain more trust and responsibility.

This is win -win for everybody involved cause you help out in lab, but in return you: learn a lot, can even gain independence during some projects, get your name on publications, good grade(if taking for a credit) good LOR.

Now as for the publications: depending what the research is, publications can be good ones, or as just as 80% -90% out there - plain usless. 😱 But hey, you get your name on there and it is all good. More publications= more money in lab=more new projects =and more experience for you. Publications can be done by you if you did something significant and got some project done, or you can be on there cause you were helping out. But, then your name is not first, its second, third .....

This is just from my experience, but there are many undergrads who get publications and they are the first author, and get cool independent projects.
I got into the lab by emailing bunch prof. who had labs, only 3 of them replied with "sorry keep looking", and one took me on. Turned out this guy is a big name and well respected for what he does not just at the University but in the whole wide world.🙂 I am taking it for the grade, got LORs, will get my own project, and a publication in fall.

So email people and bug them , the chances are they have students who are graduating in near future so the lab needs people, or they just got a new project and they need someone to wash all those glassware and that is how you start. Good luck!!

 

[Ema]

1) see what interests you: Molecular biology stuff: gene therapy, clonning etc. Pharmacology, toxicology, biochem etc., million of different things.

2) Find the lab, (if you do not know what interests you get in any lab that will take ya)

3) See what kind of projects they are doing i the lab, you can help, or get subbproject. The point is you will get ideas once you are exposed to the world of research, you will find many questions and not enough of answers and you might get idea what you wanna do as for a project.

 

[WannabeOrtho]

Alright, I have been reading tons of threads. Honestly, I haven't a clue where to find a lab around here. Specifically one where one is researching, lol. Maybe some of you know how dead Southern Ohio is. I am going tomarrow to start shadowing at the "bigger" hospital, hopefully I can get a good Doctor, and maybe get him to ask his fellow docs, or know if they are doing research so I can contact them.

 

[ocdp09]

ok honestly, if i were you i would read the AAMC site and talk to a counselor to find out pretty much what medicine is. i dont want to sound mean but it seems like you have no idea what having a profession as a doctor is. its almost like you had no ambition, i can say for most people here we've been wanting to be doctors for a long time...volunteering at hospitals in high school and other stuff. just follow up on the AAMC stuff. what they mean by research (which is not recquired but doesnt hurt) is doing normal scientific research studies. for instance, at the moment i am working on a vaccination with some professors for malaria and hookworms. ive been working on it for a semester and plan to for a few more. i published 2 articles already about my findings and about the complex protein structures that snails poses which are immune to malaria and hookworms. hope that helped

 

[WannabeOrtho]

ok honestly, if i were you i would read the AAMC site and talk to a counselor to find out pretty much what medicine is. i dont want to sound mean but it seems like you have no idea what having a profession as a doctor is. its almost like you had no ambition, i can say for most people here we've been wanting to be doctors for a long time...volunteering at hospitals in high school and other stuff. just follow up on the AAMC stuff. what they mean by research (which is not recquired but doesnt hurt) is doing normal scientific research studies. for instance, at the moment i am working on a vaccination with some professors for malaria and hookworms. ive been working on it for a semester and plan to for a few more. i published 2 articles already about my findings and about the complex protein structures that snails poses which are immune to malaria and hookworms. hope that helped

I actually just graduated High School in May(06). I have ambition, but there is no known "research" projects around the area, maybe that is why I haven't a clue anything about it. The nearest real deal research probably is in Columbus(2 hours away) at The Ohio State University. I haven't even attended ONE college class yet, but do want to be a doctor, excuse me but the reason I came here is to ask these questions. Most likely why you see them in the Pre-Osteopathic forum. I for one do not know any, and just tried googling research projects in the area, and haven't come up with one. Not every wanna-be Doctor has taken their entire High School life to devote to preparing ahead to become a Doctor. I thought it all was done before selecting a college, and such.

 

[OSUdoc08]

Heya all,

Yes I know I have posted quiet abit of threads since I came yesterday. I guess I am full of questions. 😛

Anyway, What do you all mean when you say get into research? Research what? Do they look/ask for this kind of stuff in interviews, and applications getting into medical schools? What do you research? Where do you find out about research programs?

Does anyone actually have a transcript, or something of exactly what happens at a medical school interview?

Unlike MD schools, DO schools do not care about research. I was never asked about it in my interviews.

 

[Hoberto]

I don't know where you are in Ohio, but there's an awful lot of research going on at OU in Athens. There are programs specifically tailored for undergrads at several of the colleges. You would probably be most interested in the programs offered through OUCOM, the medical school on the Athens campus.

There are also several opportunities in Cinci and Dayton (at UD or Wright) if you are in southwestern Ohio, these may be closer.

Really, any 4 year school is going to have ample research going on in which you would be able to participate. Many community colleges also offer summer research programs as well. These are usually in collaboration with local 4yr schools.

 

[Tori's dad]

Don't google for research in your area. GO TO THE SCHOOL/INSTITUTION. You must be very proactive in your search. You may have to wait untill you have some experience with lab instruments. But then you may not. Research is not do or die for getting into medical school. Niether is publication. Both can help tremendously, but as a wet behind the ears HS grad, you have very little to offer a research lab. Get into college and start taking some classes with labs. By the time you're done with gen chem and o-chem you'll have all the skills you need to work in a lab as a scut monkey.

 

[WantsThisBad]

Heya all,

Yes I know I have posted quiet abit of threads since I came yesterday. I guess I am full of questions. 😛

Anyway, What do you all mean when you say get into research? Research what? Do they look/ask for this kind of stuff in interviews, and applications getting into medical schools? What do you research? Where do you find out about research programs?

Does anyone actually have a transcript, or something of exactly what happens at a medical school interview?

Do you mind if I ask how old you are?

 

[WantsThisBad]

Also...If you havent even started college yet, and you havent taken a single college level science course...you may want to do that before taking on scientific research. Just a thought.

 

[Buckeye(OH)]

Also...If you havent even started college yet, and you havent taken a single college level science course...you may want to do that before taking on scientific research. Just a thought.

No PI in their right mind is going to let some high-school aged kid tool around in close proximity to important experiments.

 

[Soccer885]

No PI in their right mind is going to let some high-school aged kid tool around in close proximity to important experiments.

He is actually college age since he will be starting college this upcoming fall. And your statement is inaccurate. I do neuroscience research for a professor who is associated with the medical school at my university. This summer we have had several high school students in the lab. They don't do as much as the rest of us, but they still partcipate and learn. I am sure the experience will at least help them in the future trying to obtain a research position.

And to the OP... I found out about the research I am doing through people at school. When you start classes, just ask around, someone might be able to point you in the right direction. Also, talk to your advisor. Like everyone else is saying, research is not a big part of the process. If you get research great, if not, its no big deal. I also didn't get a chance to do any research until the end of my sophmore year so be patient. Good Luck!

 

[Buckeye(OH)]

He is actually college age since he will be starting college this upcoming fall. And your statement is inaccurate. I do neuroscience research for a professor who is associated with the medical school at my university. This summer we have had several high school students in the lab. They don't do as much as the rest of us, but they still partcipate and learn. I am sure the experience will at least help them in the future trying to obtain a research position.

And to the OP... I found out about the research I am doing through people at school. When you start classes, just ask around, someone might be able to point you in the right direction. Also, talk to your advisor. Like everyone else is saying, research is not a big part of the process. If you get research great, if not, its no big deal. I also didn't get a chance to do any research until the end of my sophmore year so be patient. Good Luck!

Actually hes high school age since he just graduated. Whatever, thats a fairly dumb argument.


Ill tell you right now, its the exception, not the rule to let kids that young into labs. Instead of "getting experience" aka sitting on my ass in a lab, I would recommend spending more time in front of the books, and perhaps looking at the FAQs/search before asking 84million questions that have been covered ad nauseum. At my undergrad institution which is extremely highly ranked with regards to research, PIs prefer students that have at least completed one year of undergrad.

Bottom line: The OP needs to chill the **** out.

 

[Soccer885]

Actually hes high school age since he just graduated. Whatever, thats a fairly dumb argument.


Ill tell you right now, its the exception, not the rule to let kids that young into labs. Instead of "getting experience" aka sitting on my ass in a lab, I would recommend spending more time in front of the books, and perhaps looking at the FAQs/search before asking 84million questions that have been covered ad nauseum. At my undergrad institution which is extremely highly ranked with regards to research, PIs prefer students that have at least completed one year of undergrad.

Bottom line: The OP needs to chill the **** out.

Just trying to offer some hope, not argue. I agree stupid argument. And I also agree that the OP should calm down. He has plenty of time to figure everything out for med school.

 

[WannabeOrtho]

Actually hes high school age since he just graduated. Whatever, thats a fairly dumb argument.


Ill tell you right now, its the exception, not the rule to let kids that young into labs. Instead of "getting experience" aka sitting on my ass in a lab, I would recommend spending more time in front of the books, and perhaps looking at the FAQs/search before asking 84million questions that have been covered ad nauseum. At my undergrad institution which is extremely highly ranked with regards to research, PIs prefer students that have at least completed one year of undergrad.

Bottom line: The OP needs to chill the **** out.

Sorry for asking all the questions. I am wondering how most of you learned the stuff you know though. I asked about research because I myself would be generally interested in it since there is 0 colleges around here that does that type of stuff. Now if just because I just graduated high school, am getting ready to start college in a week, and want to try to prepare my future as best I can so I do not end up in the position some of the people are in the Re-Applicants Forum, I must be another "teenie bobbie" graduated high school kid I am sorry, again. Also for you being in Ohio, you also must know not many colleges/univeristys in Southern Ohio as the biggest being OSU. I also want to comment again on why I ask so many questions, it seems that some of you must have read the universe to know these abbreviations and the day-to-day schedule of a medical student maybe it's because you are one, but I am not, I love to learn but how to learn from a informative published book that is actually a story telling nothing is beyond me.(not the book someone suggested me another one).

Thanks to those who really don't care whether I am in high school, or if I just graduated from Harvard as a medical student. You answered my question not regarding anything but the right answer.
Oh yeah, I have lot's more questions! lol!

Justin

 

[Buckeye(OH)]

Sorry for asking all the questions. I am wondering how most of you learned the stuff you know though. I asked about research because I myself would be generally interested in it since there is 0 colleges around here that does that type of stuff. Now if just because I just graduated high school, am getting ready to start college in a week, and want to try to prepare my future as best I can so I do not end up in the position some of the people are in the Re-Applicants Forum, I must be another "teenie bobbie" graduated high school kid I am sorry, again. Also for you being in Ohio, you also must know not many colleges/univeristys in Southern Ohio as the biggest being OSU. I also want to comment again on why I ask so many questions, it seems that some of you must have read the universe to know these abbreviations and the day-to-day schedule of a medical student maybe it's because you are one, but I am not, I love to learn but how to learn from a informative published book that is actually a store telling nothing is beyond me.

Thanks to those who really don't care whether I am in high school, or if I just graduated from Harvard as a medical student. You answered my question not regarding anything but the right answer.
Oh yeah, I have lot's more questions! lol!

Justin

I dont have a problem helping you out bro. But it would be beneficial to you to read the FAQs, AAMCs, and AACOMAS' website.

Where are you going to college? If OSU, then there are people I can tell you have always been helpful in years past for me.

I learned everything I know from reading posts that existed before I came to SDN; aka search.

 

[WannabeOrtho]

I dont have a problem helping you out bro. But it would be beneficial to you to read the FAQs, AAMCs, and AACOMAS' website.

Where are you going to college? If OSU, then there are people I can tell you have always been helpful in years past for me.

I learned everything I know from reading posts that existed before I came to SDN; aka search.

I will be going to a community college to do my pre-reqs to get into their nursing program. My true plan is this, Attend CC(Community College) become a RN, then transfer to Ohio University in Athens, do the RN-to-BSN program, while taking Pre-Med classes. Graduate with a Bachelors in Nursing, and be done with my Pre-Med classes. My ultimate goal is to get into OUCOM.

I have some more questions I posted in another thread that has not been answered yet, I will post them here too.

Do medical schools typically not like a person with multiple degrees? (Ex. Bachelors in Nursing, Bachelors in Spanish) Also do they typically care if you also have a degree from a online univeristy(My Nursing, and Pre-Med won't be anywhere online, I mean just various degrees/certificates) if it is accredited?

 

[Buckeye(OH)]

I would skip the community college thing and just do four years at OU.

They dont care what your major is/was so long as you have the grades in the required classes.

If you get your degree in nursing, you may be asked the question, why do you want to be a doctor now?

 

[Buckeye(OH)]

Why dont you call OUCOM and talk to John Schriner? Hes the director of admissions and IM sure he would be glad to advise you.

 

[Hoberto]

Once again--

I don't know where you are in Ohio, but there's an awful lot of research going on at OU in Athens. There are programs specifically tailored for undergrads at several of the colleges. You would probably be most interested in the programs offered through OUCOM, the medical school on the Athens campus.

There are also several opportunities in Cinci and Dayton (at UD or Wright) if you are in southwestern Ohio, these may be closer.

Really, any 4 year school is going to have ample research going on in which you would be able to participate. Many community colleges also offer summer research programs as well. These are usually in collaboration with local 4yr schools.

I see now that you are near Athens and Ohio University. If you are planning to go to Hocking that is probably not a bad idea. They have whole programs tailored to ensuring that your credits will transfer to OU specifically. In addition, because Hocking is so close to OU it is extremely likely that they could hook you up with a research experience of some sort next summer when you aren't in school.

On the other hand, if you attend OU this fall you will eligible for several undergraduate research programs offered at OU and across the nation. You will have access to a MEDICAL SCHOOL and the thousands of research projects going on there. In addition, there are many many other departments and colleges at OU each with their own research labs.

If you are really interested in medical and research you need to learn how to find these basic things out on your own. Read the FAQ, check the websites of the schools you are interested in, search SDN for answers.

Talking to Mr. Schriner is an excellent idea and I would also encourage you to talk to a pre-med/vet advisor prior to talking to him so you have some background and don't come off as an idiot....which is kind of happening now.

We all would love to help you out, but it seems that you haven't taken any time to investigate this yourself.

Good luck!! I don't mean to sound bithcy.

 

[Buckeye(OH)]

We all would love to help you out, but it seems that you haven't taken any time to investigate this yourself.

Good luck!! I don't mean to sound bithcy.

Agreed.

 

[WannabeOrtho]

I would be happy to attend OU, but I am pretty sure it is too late to register for classes, apply for financial aid again, and get housing etc.. especially in Athens, my sister just graduated there.

Justin

 

[WannabeOrtho]

Talking to Mr. Schriner is an excellent idea and I would also encourage you to talk to a pre-med/vet advisor prior to talking to him so you have some background and don't come off as an idiot....which is kind of happening now.

We all would love to help you out, but it seems that you haven't taken any time to investigate this yourself.

Good luck!! I don't mean to sound bithcy.

I have read the stickeyed faq's, but they do not pertain to the individual terms you all use. I searched quiet abit yesterday trying to find out what moonlighting ment. Also, I don't really know what I would say to Mr.Shriner, except that I would love to attend their medical school. It took me awhile to just arrive to this forum. I also just ordered the book Medical School confidential that someone recommended to me to better help my understanding.

 

[Ema]

Dont get offended, the thing is, people get irritated answering questions that can be researched easily on your own or just from common sense. No hard feelings it really looked like you are being clueless about stuff you should know like "no research in you college /U whatever, thats not the truth. If there is a PhD in the school then there is a research otherwise they would starve and University would be broke🙂)). What you should do is following (do not have to do it, just offering advice):

1) take care about stuff you have in upcoming college semester. Concentrate on you school and do well in classes.That is #1 important thing, research= you can do it now, junior or senior, it does not matter.
As you get in contact with professors and other students you will gain so much information how to get involved in research, and much more so don't sweat it.

2) Go to your college/ university website and research departments and faculty. Usually if there is presentation of the faculty members or departments you will be able to get info about ongoing/past research projects. Visit your department website, undergraduate interships etc.Then if you find something you like you email and bug them untill they let you in 😀

Note: info about projects can not be sometimes found on school website even less on google, so don't waste your time with googling stuff on www, just find out more about profs from your college web, what they are into (what kind of stuff they do in labs) and email and ask them about projects and if they have something available.

*** relax, you are just hehehhe freshman, you are worring before your time, just relax and you will find all the info you need very soon. Just as a side note, I was freaking allien( immigrant), I still am sometimes, and I found my way. I had 1-2 visits with an advisor, all other information( more info and more accurate info) I got from everyday life, spending time in school and researching on my own. So you will too. Good luck 😉