what happened to Dr. JPH?

[hanky1982]

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Hey guys, I was reading a post by someone and I realized the JP Hazelton was banned. He was quite a wealth of knowledge to me, and I was wondering if any of you know why.

 

[SomeDoc]

Read his post history. It won't take you long to see why he was banned.

 

[Toohotinvegas33]

He was martyred

 

[SexPistol]

JPH was the Dr. Perry Cox to the Dr. Bob Kelso's of this forum

 

[A18Devil]

i liked his posts. he definately has his opinions and gets into it sometimes with people but i still dont see why he was banned.


i think he did more good than bad.

 

[J1515]

i liked his posts. he definately has his opinions and gets into it sometimes with people but i still dont see why he was banned.


i think he did more good than bad.

👍

He was a fantastic source of real world/real residency experience but unfortunately this website isn't about giving people accurate advice. It's about nurturing insecure pre-meds and watching them talk their heads off as if they're experts in everything. It has become a place where pre-meds advise each other with fallacies they heard and they think that makes them experts. He was sarcastic and perhaps not so nice sometimes, but certainly nowhere even close to how the attendings/residents treat students in the hospitals. Wouldn't it be nice if our 3rd and 4th year rotations had moderators? 😀

 

[surrender903]

someone from PCOM needs to uphold his mantle and legacy... we MUST find such a person... *hand into fist* gentlemen we MUST.

 

[BklynWill]

If it's any consolation, I know he's still giving great advice to third and fourth-years on rotations. Maybe someone should email him and encourage him to sign up again under another pseudonym. Or perhaps he's reading this and considering it himself...

 

[SexPistol]

whos to say he isnt on already

 

[Toohotinvegas33]

Im sure he's lurking around

 

[EEL08]

Agreed.It was made all the worse by a Pre-Osteo board here where members think it is completely acceptable to know nothing about medicine in general or Osteopathy in particular, but then proceed to trash the field and pine away for an MD degree. I can only imagine how it must have felt, after laboring away for four years getting a degree, working his way into a prestigious Osteopathic Surgery program, only to have to read a half-dozen threads posted here every day telling him that his degree is second-rate and his field should be done away with.

There is something profoundly wrong with people who are applying to a field that they feel comfortable denigrating on a regular basis. Personally, I am suprised he lasted as many years as he did without losing it and being banned earlier. I am also disappointed that the DO students on SDN permit the idiot anti-DO pre-osteo students to say as much as they do unchallenged.

Okay I don't know where you saw these anti-DO pre-osteo students because it must have been the random times when a troll decides to stir things up. Most of us on the pre-osteo board are very pro-DO which is why we're on there to begin with. Don't lump us all, or even most of us, in the same group. 🙄

 

[SexPistol]

Im so surprised a JPH thread has taken a turn towards controversy. I think this is how he would want it to be.

 

[SexPistol]

But I think what Tired is trying to say is that most of these comparisons between DO and MD are done in the pre med forums and this is where most of the rumors/hearsay about the differences between them are also discussed. He is probably also saying that how would pre meds know more about these topics then medical students or even more so an accomplished resident such as JPH. No wonder he is so "Tired"

 

[EEL08]

Im so surprised a JPH thread has taken a turn towards controversy. I think this is how he would want it to be.

Sorry but that completely sounded like an attack on the pre-osteo board and I just felt that we needed to be defended. Maybe Tired was thinking of the pre-allo board.

 

[DrMidlife]

Sorry but that completely sounded like an attack on the pre-osteo board and I just felt that we needed to be defended. Maybe Tired was thinking of the pre-allo board.

Tired is tired because he's been around forever and seen everything. I would assume he's talking about trends over the years. You and I are newbies.

And it's difficult to tell pre-osteo from pre-allo lately. Speaking as a woman over 35 who CERTAINLY shouldn't have been admitted to med school.

 

[Colbert]

I am also disappointed that the DO students on SDN permit the idiot anti-DO pre-osteo students to say as much as they do unchallenged.

We try to fight the good fight, but after the fifteenth "Can a DO become a surgeon?" thread of the week, you start to give that up. At least when we represent in the allo board there's three reasonable future-MDs for every hater out there.

 

[igcgnerd]

I think JPH has resurfaced in this thread

 

[Jamers]

Its not surprising he got banned. Anyone with a voice on this website gets banned. No one wants to hear the truth, they just want a sugar coated version of it so it goes down easier.

 

[hanky1982]

Its not surprising he got banned. Anyone with a voice on this website gets banned. No one wants to hear the truth, they just want a sugar coated version of it so it goes down easier.

dito

 

[endocardium]

Its not surprising he got banned. Anyone with a voice on this website gets banned. No one wants to hear the truth, they just want a sugar coated version of it so it goes down easier.

Well, then, I might be on my way toward that direction, with my recent posts.

 

[sexyman]

I think the biggest problem was with the pre-meds on the pre-osteop boards that were whining and complaining that he was "rude". Bunch of babies. The mods claim that they got so many complaints from these kids that they "had" to ban him. Ridiculous.

 

[hanky1982]

I think the biggest problem was with the pre-meds on the pre-osteop boards that were whining and complaining that he was "rude". Bunch of babies. The mods claim that they got so many complaints from these kids that they "had" to ban him. Ridiculous.

do you know if there is a reinstatement policy?

 

[sexyman]

I read in one of the mod posts that his ban would not be reconsidered.

 

[hanky1982]

I read in one of the mod posts that his ban would not be reconsidered.

i looked for a mention from the mod, you happen to know which conversation thread it all started on?

 

[MaximusD]

Its not surprising he got banned. Anyone with a voice on this website gets banned. No one wants to hear the truth, they just want a sugar coated version of it so it goes down easier.

THANK YOU.👍

It honestly makes me feel like quitting SDN and I've felt that way since it happened.

This thread is evidence that he was part of this community... probably moreso than those who complained and even those who moderated his ban.

 

[Boner]

I never thought rudeness was a violation of TOS. I guess it's all sunshine and flowers until the person with a 2.75 GPA gets told not to bother applying to med school.

 

[medhacker]

Attica, Attica, Attica!!

 

[jp104]

Its not surprising he got banned. Anyone with a voice on this website gets banned. No one wants to hear the truth, they just want a sugar coated version of it so it goes down easier.

Amen. God forbid that someone tell it like it is. The message may have been delivered by JPH in a brusk, direct, and yes, sometimes rude manner, but it doesn't change the fact that it was true. Pre-DO is a pussywhipped version of itself these days 🙁

 

[surrender903]

Attica, Attica, Attica!!

i just pee'ed a little because that was so funny.

im a DO with X Y Z, can i be the next McDreamy?

 

[theraball]

Well as a surgical intern he may be up to his ears in work these days, even more so than in medical school. Just a theory 🙂

I also miss JPH's postings and would like to see him return, even though I don't always agree with him. He cuts through the bs the way few others do.

 

[EEL08]

No, I was thinking of the pre-osteo board.

I'm no expert, and I've only been posting on SDN for a year or so, but it seems like at least once a day someone starts a thread like, "Let's do away with the DO degree" or "OMM is for ******s". Is it any wonder he was pissed off all the time? Is anyone really suprised his answers were harsh?

So yeah, I'm attacking your stupid forum, where denigrating your supposed chosen profession has become the de rigeur. JP Hazelton was an important voice on this board, and the whining of the pre-osteo children got him banned. I blame you, and I blame the premed mods who, in the name of "harmony", stiffle the users who speak truthfully.

You clearly don't go on there as often as you say because it's far from the truth. I'm on their daily (yes I have too much time on my hands) and there are not regular posts like that. If you haven't noticed when we do get those types of questions from trolls or newbies the regulars stand up for DOs and try to get those threads moved or closed as quickly as possible. Generalizing that all of us on the pre-osteo board are DO-bashing JPH-haters is just wrong. I had no problem with JPH and I was also surprised when he was banned. I'm sure many others on pre-osteo would say the same thing.

 

[Boner]

You clearly don't go on there as often as you say because it's far from the truth. I'm on their daily (yes I have too much time on my hands) and there are not regular posts like that. If you haven't noticed when we do get those types of questions from trolls or newbies the regulars stand up for DOs and try to get those threads moved or closed as quickly as possible. Generalizing that all of us on the pre-osteo board are DO-bashing JPH-haters is just wrong. I had no problem with JPH and I was also surprised when he was banned. I'm sure many others on pre-osteo would say the same thing.

Threads may not be as blunt as "I hate DO" or "OMM is for losers", but clearly there are threads along the lines of "I have a 2.75 GPA and a 20 MCAT, is DO for me?" The sad thing is, most people on the forum support those people and encourage them to apply; something along the lines of, "well your grades aren't that great, but your ECs are so stellar that the adcoms will ignore your continued record of sub-par academic performance 🙄" This is where the JPHs of the forum come in to set things straight.
While the blatant anti-DO threads rarely pop up or remain open, the ridiculous threads that perpetuate the idea of reduced academic requirements for DO admissions appear every day.

 

[EEL08]

Threads may not be as blunt as "I hate DO" or "OMM is for losers", but clearly there are threads along the lines of "I have a 2.75 GPA and a 20 MCAT, is DO for me?" The sad thing is, most people on the forum support those people and encourage them to apply; something along the lines of, "well your grades aren't that great, but your ECs are so stellar that the adcoms will ignore your continued record of sub-par academic performance 🙄" This is where the JPHs of the forum come in to set things straight.
While the blatant anti-DO threads rarely pop up or remain open, the ridiculous threads that perpetuate the idea of reduced academic requirements for DO admissions appear every day.

I agree that there are threads like that but definitely do not make up even a good portion of the board. Many of those threads are often from pre-allo regulars who, at this point, are not receiving a lot of love from MD schools and are coming over to pre-osteo. You just have to think about who these threads are coming from. There are some people who are more encouraging than others even in spite of low grades and GPAs but most of us are honest and tell people what they should try to do to improve their applications. Someone with a 2.75/20 MCAT is not completely hopeless when it comes to becoming a physician, it just might take more time to improve their apps than they would like. Although JPH isn't here anymore we do have a lot of great med students that provide good insite and direction for us lowly pre-meds. We are not just floundering on our own completely misguided.

 

[JaggerPlate]

There are a lot of good points from both sides on this thread. I agree that the pre osteo forums have become a bit harsh lately (mainly because of the fact that everyone is sick of the damn 'Can a DO do radiology' threads), but I also see people's point about how people thinking low stats = DO is annoying and only tarnishes the degree. However, the bottom line is that it is lame JPH is gone. He was one of the best resources on those forums, and an example of what someone should truly strive for in becoming a DO. I hope (but really doubt) he pops back up some how.

 

[spazzz]

Threads may not be as blunt as "I hate DO" or "OMM is for losers", but clearly there are threads along the lines of "I have a 2.75 GPA and a 20 MCAT, is DO for me?" The sad thing is, most people on the forum support those people and encourage them to apply; something along the lines of, "well your grades aren't that great, but your ECs are so stellar that the adcoms will ignore your continued record of sub-par academic performance 🙄" This is where the JPHs of the forum come in to set things straight.
While the blatant anti-DO threads rarely pop up or remain open, the ridiculous threads that perpetuate the idea of reduced academic requirements for DO admissions appear every day.

Well, it's also crappy to see threads with 2.75 GPA and 20MCAT and everyone saying yeah, it's all good, you'll get in somewhere. .....one thing i did enjoy about JPH was his respect for his profession, he actually was ashamed someone got in with those stats.........as am I.

 

[MossPoh]

He did give a lot of solid advice. I think I liked him because I know I'm going to wind up the same way. 😉 That being said, he never really pulled punches and often said inflammatory stuff just to say inflammatory stuff. One has to know when to turn it off. Sensitive people irritate me a lot, but he also had his fair share of warnings I am sure. Some of us take the shot and move on, but others really do get hurt by comments. It is a fine balancing act when involved in an online community like SDN. It wouldn't surprise me if he popped back up after a little bit of time in purgatory. I wouldn't expect it anytime soon. There are a few of us on these boards that can be complete douchebags at a drop of a hat...I'm one of them..I try to balance it out with positive things too. It saddens me when we lose some of them. 😉 I'm not going so far as to say conspiracy theory. You can get away with quite a bit on this site. Look at posters like misterioso who hung around for quite sometime before being banned. He really had to make an effort. Part of the reason he stuck around was because he was posting with surgeons, but also that he did spark some solid debates with his blatantly sexist, cocky, attitude. The brutally straightforward type are a dime a dozen in the medical world when you get there, which is one thing I like actually. I hate it when people dance around answers. I think it is residual from previous life experiences though. If your resolve isn't strong enough to take negative comments, then I just don't think there is space for you in the hospital. Go become an elementary school teacher or something.

 

[A18Devil]

JPH if your out there, send me a sign!

 

[medhacker]

JPH if your out there, send me a sign!

 

[sexyman]

EEL08 if you are out there go to the pre-osteo forum now. And you will see exactly what Tired is talking about. It is a disaster over there.

 

[Shinken]

EEL08 if you are out there go to the pre-osteo forum now. And you will see exactly what Tired is talking about. It is a disaster over there.

Pre-osteo is truly a mess.

 

[ShyRem]

*sigh*. Ok. I'll bite. But just a nibble.

First, I can not and will not discuss the JPH matter. However, I think there is a misconception here. The mods don't just willy nilly warn or give infractions by roaming forums. Unless it's obvious and we happen to catch it first (i.e. someone spamming the boards with "BUY A ROLEX WATCH FOR TWO PENNIES! TODAY ONLY!"), generally we only respond to reported posts. We watch, we enjoy the forums, we post warnings for things to stay nice, but otherwise someone has to complain. Loudly. And it has to be a violation of TOS.

Otherwise, why do you think Shinkin has the opinion that "pre-osteo is truly a mess"? And why do you think this thread continues? Methinks y'all see "pre-osteo is a mess" because we *don't* close down everything willy-nilly. We watch, we participate. But unless someone is violating site policies we don't step in.

Don't flame me. I just wanted to set the record straight. Mods aren't the enemy here. We just try to make sure the site is enjoyable and educational for everyone using it properly.

🙂

 

[Boner]

I still don't see how being blunt/rude is a TOS violation.

 

[spicedmanna]

I still don't see how being blunt/rude is a TOS violation.

In itself, it isn't. However, in general, and we are talking generalities here (not any specific case), it becomes a violation when members are insulted/attacked, when inappropriate language is used, when there is an intent to inflame, etc. Usually, we try to err on the side of under-moderation (we aren't out there to get people and we seldom police), but when a post is reported, we respond appropriately. Particularly, when there is a pattern of violation, abuse, and repeated reports by members, it becomes a disturbance to the ability of our members to enjoy the forum(s). Contrary to popular belief, we generally act on consensus and/or by precendent. You can bet that if an action is taken, it's been considered carefully and generally isn't unilateral. Furthermore, we attempt to give ample warning before escalating; we aren't out to punish people, but to maintain the forum.

Anyway, please review the SDN TOS. You'll find all you need to know there.

 

[scpod]

[Clearing throat, turning to look into your eyes, and giving a WTF look with one eyebrow raised]

Perhaps I can rephrase the moderator position in a way in which you seem to need in order to understand. There's a whole lot that happens before someone gets banned and we aren't gonna tell you about it. If you think that a ban occurs because a few whiny users complained a little, then maybe you need to think about a new profession. You just might not be bright enough for medical school. But don't worry....there are many noble professions that need to be filled. We can't all be doctors.

Does that make it any more clear????

It's a little rude, but it's not a TOS violation. People just aren't banned for being a little rude. They aren't banned because a few people complain about them. There generally are clear and repeated violations that go on time and again before such an extreme action would take place, and there are multiple discussions with objective opinions included.

There are lots of people who can give you solid advice in Pre-osteo. Part of the "art" of life is learning who's advice to head and who's to ignore. That's a lot of what pre-osteo is about. There is a search for the truth among people who don't have all the information. They hypothesize, discuss it amongst each other and come to conclusions. Sometimes they are wrong-- just like in real life. Typically, though, someone with greater knowledge will step in and help.

It really amazes me that people can come to some of the conclusions that they have in this thread without knowing the true details. I can only hope that you don't do that in real life. If you make medical decisions with the same lack of information, you'll be killing patients on a routine basis.

If there's anything really to learn here it's that life is full of changes. People constantly come and go on SDN. A few people stay around for years, but not most of them. Instead of bitching about something you have no control over, reach out and find something constructive to do. Try to enjoy the time you have on SDN because it won't last forever.

 

[Boner]

[Clearing throat, turning to look into your eyes, and giving a WTF look with one eyebrow raised]

Perhaps I can rephrase the moderator position in a way in which you seem to need in order to understand. There's a whole lot that happens before someone gets banned and we aren't gonna tell you about it. If you think that a ban occurs because a few whiny users complained a little, then maybe you need to think about a new profession. You just might not be bright enough for medical school. But don't worry....there are many noble professions that need to be filled. We can't all be doctors.

Does that make it any more clear????

It's a little rude, but it's not a TOS violation. People just aren't banned for being a little rude. They aren't banned because a few people complain about them. There generally are clear and repeated violations that go on time and again before such an extreme action would take place, and there are multiple discussions with objective opinions included.

There are lots of people who can give you solid advice in Pre-osteo. Part of the "art" of life is learning who's advice to head and who's to ignore. That's a lot of what pre-osteo is about. There is a search for the truth among people who don't have all the information. They hypothesize, discuss it amongst each other and come to conclusions. Sometimes they are wrong-- just like in real life. Typically, though, someone with greater knowledge will step in and help.

It really amazes me that people can come to some of the conclusions that they have in this thread without knowing the true details. I can only hope that you don't do that in real life. If you make medical decisions with the same lack of information, you'll be killing patients on a routine basis.

If there's anything really to learn here it's that life is full of changes. People constantly come and go on SDN. A few people stay around for years, but not most of them. Instead of bitching about something you have no control over, reach out and find something constructive to do. Try to enjoy the time you have on SDN because it won't last forever.

Give me a break 🙄 A group of members questions the decisional capacity of Mods, including yourself, and you think we, as members, don't know how to interpret the TOS? Judging by JPH's posting history, I bet people who have responded to the ban, myself included, can't find any violation of TOS (libellous comments, harassment, defamation, etc...). If you want to bend the TOS to include being an obviously rude person, well then that's just bad moderation and bad interpretation of the TOS on the part of whoever initiated the ban. But considering you have clandestine communications regarding banning with others Mods, well, that just makes you as a group poor in your judgement capacity. Unless you are willing to provide evidence of the ban, rather than just providing info on how the banning process works, I don't think you're going to convince many people here what you did is right.

 

[scpod]

Unless you are willing to provide evidence of the ban, rather than just providing info on how the banning process works, I don't think you're going to convince many people here what you did is right.

In case you didn't get the point, we don't comment about particular disciplinary procedures. That's why the explanation on the process was given. Most people don't understand how much is involved in the process. No one is going to try to convince you of anything. If you want to disagree with a decision, then that's your prerogative. But, you don't have all the information, nor will you be getting it.

 

[sexyman]

I've read almost all of his previous posts, and I am not convinced. What makes a moderator a better judge than me or any of the other users like Boner who have been on this forum for 4 years.

scpod- I respect for most of your opinions and have benefitted from information that you have posted. But even your "re-phrasing" of the mod position is more rude than many of JP's posts.


And as for the pre-osteo being a mess, I was not trying to say it was the mods fault. I think it all of the PRE-DOs who post in pre-osteos fault who contine to allow ridiculous threads that continually belittle the osteopathic profession.

 

[scpod]

I...What makes a moderator a better judge than me or any of the other users like Boner who have been on this forum for 4 years.....

That's exactly the point that I was making earlier. No single person makes a move like banning someone. Nobody ever wants to do that. Important decisions like that involve lots and lots of people who look at it from various perspectives.

In my past life I've had to fire people that worked for me. It was a very last resort and never an easy decision. I absolutely hate to do it. But, there are times when it has to happen. Just like those trees who lose their leaves in winter, it makes way for future growth. It's a cycle....and SDN has cycles too.

 

[JaggerPlate]

I've read almost all of his previous posts, and I am not convinced. What makes a moderator a better judge than me or any of the other users like Boner who have been on this forum for 4 years.

scpod- I respect for most of your opinions and have benefitted from information that you have posted. But even your "re-phrasing" of the mod position is more rude than many of JP's posts.


And as for the pre-osteo being a mess, I was not trying to say it was the mods fault. I think it all of the PRE-DOs who post in pre-osteos fault who contine to allow ridiculous threads that continually belittle the osteopathic profession.

I don't disagree that that threads become absurd, but I think this is just the nature of the internet ... not the decline of osteopathic medicine. It's also important to at least mention that people have real conversations on the pre-osteo forums ... unlike pre allo. I think the amount of 'OMG 3.8 and 36 MCAT with limited research ... am I screwed?' in pre allo equal the amount of 'Can a DO perscribe tylenol?' in pre osteo, and the entire thing is just a wash of paranoid/misinformed people + trolls + the random nature of the internet.

 

[Boner]

It's a cycle....and SDN has cycles too.

Maybe we just need to "cycle" through some mods 🙄