What happens if an osteopath doesn't match allopathic derm?

[dermwannabe]

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I know I will study my ass off and more in med school, as in study at least 9 hours a day on weekdays, and 11 hours a day on weekends for 2 years, get all honors, get a high complex and step 1 usmle, do derm research over the summers, do some away derm rotations during hopefully 3rd year, but still!

Should I try matching derm osteopathically? Meaning, just risk it all, match into an IM or transitional internship, and then try for derm?

Or should I try to match allopathic derm? What happens if I don't match allopathic derm? Will I be required to scramble into an ALLO internship, or can I still get an osteo internship after trying for allo derm?

 

[cliquesh]

You do not match AOA derm as a 4th year medical student. You actually have to do a traditional rotating internship and apply as an intern. With that said, I guess it makes sense to apply to Acgme derm, and if you fail to match you can scramble into a TRI and apply for AOA derm. There are always TRIs open. I don't know if it matters what TRI you do, however. I'm sure some are associated with derm programs.

4 DOs matched Acgme derm in 2013.
There were 45 AOA derm spots in the 2014 match.

 

[NontradCA]

I know I will study my ass off and more in med school, as in study at least 9 hours a day on weekdays, and 11 hours a day on weekends for 2 years, get all honors, get a high complex and step 1 usmle, do derm research over the summers, do some away derm rotations during hopefully 3rd year, but still!

Should I try matching derm osteopathically? Meaning, just risk it all, match into an IM or transitional internship, and then try for derm?

Or should I try to match allopathic derm? What happens if I don't match allopathic derm? Will I be required to scramble into an ALLO internship, or can I still get an osteo internship after trying for allo derm?

9 hours a day? 11 on weekends? On top of lab and lecture? Every week? See you on my psych rotation.

 

[dermwannabe]

You do not match AOA derm as a 4th year medical student. You actually have to do a traditional rotating internship and apply as an intern. With that said, I guess it makes sense to apply to Acgme derm, and if you fail to match you can scramble into a TRI and apply for AOA derm.

4 DOs matched Acgme derm in 2013.
There were 45 AOA derm spots in the 2014 match.

But you can still get into TRI after the acgme match, right? I thought the AOA scrambling happens before the ACGME match.

 

[dermwannabe]

9 hours a day? 11 on weekends? On top of lab and lecture? Every week? See you on my psych rotation.

lol. Well, this is just what I am assuming would happen, were I to aim for high board scores. I'm assuming if med school class is something like 9am-3pm M-F including labs somewhere in there, then I would study from 3:30pm- until maybe 10:30pm? Alright, it's probably more like 7 hours a day. Weekends I can study from 9-9, including taking 30 minute lunch and 30 minute dinner, so 11 hours a day total. I guess weekdays do depend, but I'm hoping to get at LEAST 6 hours per day of studying during weekdays. Hopefully I'll have time for more.

 

[cliquesh]

But you can still get into TRI after the acgme match, right? I thought the AOA scrambling happens before the ACGME match.

Scrambling starts right after the match but it never really ends. The good spots will get snagged up immediately. You will not have the luxury of being choosey, but you'll be able to find a TRI somewhere.

 

[dermwannabe]

Scrambling starts right after the match but it never really ends. You will not have the luxury of being choosey, but you'll be able to find a TRI somewhere.

Ohh thank goodness.
Also, can I try for ACGME derm while being in an Osteo TRI? Like, if I don't match acgme during 4th year, and match tri, then go into tri, and then try to match aoa derm, and if I don't, try for acgme again? Since I heard AOA match happens before ACGME match... Is this true for matching into derm as a intern as well? AOA happens before ACGME?

 

[cliquesh]

Yea, the aoa match is before the Acgme match.

If you don't match Acgme derm the first time you are not going to match on your second attempt.

You'd be better applying for a backup Acgme speciality if you fail to match aoa derm.

 

[NontradCA]

lol. Well, this is just what I am assuming would happen, were I to aim for high board scores. I'm assuming if med school class is something like 9am-3pm M-F including labs somewhere in there, then I would study from 3:30pm- until maybe 10:30pm? Alright, it's probably more like 7 hours a day. Weekends I can study from 9-9, including taking 30 minute lunch and 30 minute dinner, so 11 hours a day total. I guess weekdays do depend, but I'm hoping to get at LEAST 6 hours per day of studying during weekdays. Hopefully I'll have time for more.

Well if you can do that more power to you. Don't burn yourself out! If you don't study like that now, or haven't in the past I wouldn't expect to do that right away. It's easy to say I'm gonna study x amount of hours and get y score, but a lot of times it doesn't work that way. Not trying to be negative, your post just came off kind of "watch me burnout" ish. To me at least. But I am lazy 😉

 

[dermwannabe]

Well if you can do that more power to you. Don't burn yourself out! If you don't study like that now, or haven't in the past I wouldn't expect to do that right away. It's easy to say I'm gonna study x amount of hours and get y score, but a lot of times it doesn't work that way. Not trying to be negative, your post just came off kind of "watch me burnout" ish. To me at least. But I am lazy 😉

Ehh I guess you're right. The thing is, undergrad for me seems different than med school, because in undergrad I have to put in 25-30 hours a week of "EC" work. In med school, there is no work or EC during the year. Research in the summer though, but no classes in the summer. When there are no EC activities I can study my heart out. I will also definitely go to those mid year aoa derm meetings though.

 

[Goro]

First, get into medical school, bnefore worrying about matching into your favorite specialty. As I say to my 11 year old "words are easy, doing is hard".

I know I will study my ass off and more in med school, as in study at least 9 hours a day on weekdays, and 11 hours a day on weekends for 2 years, get all honors, get a high complex and step 1 usmle, do derm research over the summers, do some away derm rotations during hopefully 3rd year, but still!

Should I try matching derm osteopathically? Meaning, just risk it all, match into an IM or transitional internship, and then try for derm?

Or should I try to match allopathic derm? What happens if I don't match allopathic derm? Will I be required to scramble into an ALLO internship, or can I still get an osteo internship after trying for allo derm?

 

[dermwannabe]

Yea, the aoa match is before the Acgme match.

If you don't match Acgme derm the first time you are not going to match on your second attempt.

You'd be better applying for a backup Acgme speciality if you fail to match aoa derm.

Would ophthalmology be a backup? I know it's another competitive specialty, but it, just like derm, has clinical and surgical stuff involved. I heard it's less competitive than derm.

Also, what other out patient specialties are there (that may or may not involve surgical procedures) besides derm, ophtho, and FM?

 

[edgerock24]

Would ophthalmology be a backup? I know it's another competitive specialty, but it, just like derm, has clinical and surgical stuff involved. I heard it's less competitive than derm.

Also, what other out patient specialties are there (that may or may not involve surgical procedures) besides derm, ophtho, and FM?

Yeah ophthalmology would be a pretty good backup to derm. Neurosurgery would also be a decent backup as well. If you somehow can't match into those specialties, I'd look into urology. Would be an alright backup too, I guess.

 

[cliquesh]

Would ophthalmology be a backup? I know it's another competitive specialty, but it, just like derm, has clinical and surgical stuff involved. I heard it's less competitive than derm.

Also, what other out patient specialties are there (that may or may not involve surgical procedures) besides derm, ophtho, and FM?

Lol. I hope you're not trolling, but I'm going to keep responding anyway because I'm bored.

Opthalmology is about as competitive as derm, but may be harder for DOs to match in than derm because there are fewer AOA positions (17 spots were offered this year). There is no real good published data for DOs matching Acgme opthalmology, so it's hard to give you a realistic idea. Nevertheless, it would be pretty impossible to build an application that is competitive for both derm and opthalmology. You'd probably be better off picking something less competitive.

Pain specialists do a lot of procedures and get paid well (one fellow where I am is starting at $700k for her first job). You can do pain from anesthesia, PM&R, and neurology. Urology has a lot of clinic, procedures, and surgery, but that's competitive as well. Not sure what else. You could always do pathology followed by derm path if you really like skin, but that has no patient contact; it pays well, however.

 

[dermwannabe]

Yeah ophthalmology would be a pretty good backup to derm. Neurosurgery would also be a decent backup as well. If you somehow can't match into those specialties, I'd look into urology. Would be an alright backup too, I guess.

heyy. I can tell you're making fun of me lol.

I'm not sure what other backup specialty I can think of. Something outpatient, but I'm not sure. Probably not FM but who knows.

 

[dermwannabe]

Lol. I hope you're not trolling, but I'm going to keep responding anyway because I'm bored.

Opthamology is about as competitive as derm, but may be harder for DOs to match in than derm because there are fewer AOA positions (17 spots were offered this year). There is no real good published data for DOs matching Acgme opthamology, so it's hard to give you a realistic idea. Nevertheless, it would be pretty impossible to build an application that is competitive for both derm and opthamology. You'd probably be better off picking something less competitive.

Pain specialists do a lot of procedures and get paid well (one fellow where I am is starting at $700k for her first job). You can do pain from anesthesia, PM&R, and neurology. Urology has a lot of clinic, but that's competitive as well. Not sure what else. You could always do pathology followed by derm path if you really like skin, but that has no patient contact; it pays well, however.

Whoa 700k? That's amazing! Yeah, I guess I could do PMR and pain. But are pain fellowships competitive? I'm not sure I could handle anesthesia, but PMR and neuro are okay.

 

[EMDO2018]

Strong troll thread bro, given the fact you joined today 2/10. :troll:

 

[cliquesh]

It's competitive, I guess, but if you go somewhere good it's not too hard. Anesthesiologists have the easiest time matching pain. Neurologists have the hardest time.

IM followed by GI might be good. You can just scope people and take biopses all day.

 

[dermwannabe]

I'm not a troll. I'm just interested in dermatology and wondering how to get there.

 

[dermwannabe]

It's competitive, I guess, but if you go somewhere good it's not too hard. Anesthesiologists have the easiest time matching pain. Neurologists have the hardest time.

IM followed by GI might be good. You can just scope people and take biopses all day.

Do you need work experience as an anesthesiologist before going into pain? Or can you just do a pain fellowship right after residency? I don't think I would like anesthesiology though.

 

[cliquesh]

Do you need work experience as an anesthesiologist before going into pain? Or can you just do a pain fellowship right after residency? I don't think I would like anesthesiology though.

Nope, you apply for fellowship as a post graduate year 3.

 

[NontradCA]

It's competitive, I guess, but if you go somewhere good it's not too hard. Anesthesiologists have the easiest time matching pain. Neurologists have the hardest time.

IM followed by GI might be good. You can just scope people and take biopses all day.

Hey cliquesh, since you're here. What is up with the proctology residency at Grandview? It's the only one in the country. Why is it there?

 

[mcloaf]

Didn't know you were looking into DO now, Streampaw.

 

[medickdb]

9 hours a day? 11 on weekends? On top of lab and lecture? Every week? See you on my psych rotation.

4:00 AM: Wake up and run 20 miles while listening to .mp3 lecture files
5:30 AM: Take a shower while reading printed out powerpoint slides encased in zip lock baggies
5:35 AM: Make and eat a nutritious breakfast while watching lecture videos
6:00 AM: Run 20 more miles while listening to more .mp3 lecture files
7:30 AM: Get to class early and sit in a chair placed in front of the front row
8:00 AM: In class, asking a million irrelevant questions over the next 4 hours
12:00 AM: Eat lunch on professor's desk while waiting for him to show up
...

 

[cliquesh]

Yep, I have no idea. It seems like a direct path to a quasi-GI specialist that does a lot of colonoscopies.

 

[NontradCA]

But there's a board and everything. It's legit? Why would there only be one residency for it?

 

[NontradCA]

4:00 AM: Wake up and run 20 miles while listening to .mp3 lecture files
5:30 AM: Take a shower while reading printed out powerpoint slides encased in zip lock baggies
5:35 AM: Make and eat a nutritious breakfast while watching lecture videos
6:00 AM: Run 20 more miles while listening to more .mp3 lecture files
7:30 AM: Get to class early and sit in a chair placed in front of the front row
8:00 AM: In class, asking a million irrelevant questions over the next 4 hours
12:00 AM: Eat lunch on professor's desk while waiting for him to show up
...

12:30 PM: Go over lecture notes just written down in lecture with professor until thrown out.
12:34 PM: Run 15 miles to apartment while listening Dido.
1:00 PM: 2 minute power nap.
1:02 PM: Make spinach wraps from scratch while reading path slides.
1:30 PM: Write rough drafts of emails to Derm attendings asking for research opportunities.
2:00 PM: Run to OMM lab while practicing maneuvers in the air.

 

[cliquesh]

But there's a board and everything. It's legit? Why would there only be one residency for it?

Yep, it's legit. There is an American osteopathic board of proctology. No, idea to your second question. There is another aoa proctology residency in indianpolis.

 

[HarryPlopper]

I know I will study my ass off and more in med school, as in study at least 9 hours a day on weekdays, and 11 hours a day on weekends for 2 years, get all honors, get a high complex and step 1 usmle, do derm research over the summers, do some away derm rotations during hopefully 3rd year, but still!

Should I try matching derm osteopathically? Meaning, just risk it all, match into an IM or transitional internship, and then try for derm?

Or should I try to match allopathic derm? What happens if I don't match allopathic derm? Will I be required to scramble into an ALLO internship, or can I still get an osteo internship after trying for allo derm?

Derm is competitive. There is a chance you won't match no matter how hard you try. You apparently are not familiar with how this system works and you shouldn't be at this stage. Set realistic expectations and focus on the matter in front of you, and that's getting into med school.

 

[NontradCA]

Yep, it's legit. There is an American osteopathic board of proctology. No, idea to your second question. There is another aoa proctology residency in indianpolis.

It sounds lucrative. Butts all day though.

 

[Postictal Raiden]

Yep, it's legit. There is an American osteopathic board of proctology. No, idea to your second question. There is another aoa proctology residency in indianpolis.

I thought the AOA proctology was a fellowship after GS residency, which is (anal)ogous to colorectal surgery?

 

[ninjaman22]

Make sure you write on your DO secondaries why you want to be a dermatologist...guaranteed acceptance!

 

[NontradCA]

I thought the AOA proctology was a fellowship after GS residency, which is (anal)ogous to colorectal surgery?

Nah these residencies are two years after an internship. Only 1 funded spot in each of the residencies. So once every three years they take an applicant. Probably need connects.

 

[medickdb]

Back to OP's question though, the answer is you are required to spend a transitional year in the custodial arts.

 

[Mehd School]

You're asking other people for secondary fees.

So yeah, get into medical school first.

 

[pattr]

awful thread is awful.

 

[CSqueed]

OP, I will be truthfully honest here.

If you are willing to work that much and THAT hard just to get into, arguably, the most competitive specialties for ACGME please do the following:

1) Screw the DO application this year.

2) Instead of putting your energy and time into osteopathic medical school as you stated above, put that into this next year to OWN the MCAT (32+) and bust out a bunch of retakes and possible SMP/Postbac to boost your GPA (3.6+) and get yourself into an allopathic school. It will give you more room for error if your goal really is ACGME derm or even ACGME Opth.

Seriously, it is probably much easier to do that than what you're going to try to do in DO school.