What Happens If I Leave Post-Bacc? DIY?

[entdreams47]

What happens if I just leave school? I am currently in my first semester of a post bacc premedical program after receiving my bachelors last May. Its very expensive (probably my last concern) but I am not doing as great as I want to, I have some debilitating health issues going on, and to make matters AWFUL I received a notice today that I have been accused of an Honor Code violation on an assignment worth less than 2 percent of my grade in a course I'm not even enrolled in anymore. What happens if I just leave? Start over somewhere new? I'm only here to get into medical school and I can't do that with an IA on my transcript. (Although it has not gotten even close to that point yet, I am preparing for the worst) Would future programs have record of me being here? (Or medical schools if I moved home and finished my classes a la carte at a state school?)

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[atomi]

Part of the purpose of post-bacc programs is to give otherwise subpar applicants an opportunity to demonstrate that they can academically excel in a rigorous program. By dropping out of such a program, you are essentially taking yourself from a subpar applicant with a questionable ability to handle rigorous medical education to a subpar applicant with a demonstrated inability to handle rigorous medical education. Without an absolutely stellar MCAT score, I find it hard to believe medical schools are going to give you an interview if you show up with a half-year of Bs and Cs from a post-bacc program and the rest of the prereqs taken at a splattering of different local colleges over various time periods. Add on top of this a record that says the school believes you cheated and you are done. If you really want this, buckle down, make good grades, and defend yourself against the cheating accusation if you truly are innocent. If you were never really that hot on medicine anyway, there's no better time to bail on this career than before you've started medical school. Afterwards it becomes exponentially more difficult and painful.

 

[entdreams47]

Part of the purpose of post-bacc programs is to give otherwise subpar applicants an opportunity to demonstrate that they can academically excel in a rigorous program. By dropping out of such a program, you are essentially taking yourself from a subpar applicant with a questionable ability to handle rigorous medical education to a subpar applicant with a demonstrated inability to handle rigorous medical education. Without an absolutely stellar MCAT score, I find it hard to believe medical schools are going to give you an interview if you show up with a half-year of Bs and Cs from a post-bacc program and the rest of the prereqs taken at a splattering of different local colleges over various time periods. Add on top of this a record that says the school believes you cheated and you are done. If you really want this, buckle down, make good grades, and defend yourself against the cheating accusation if you truly are innocent. If you were never really that hot on medicine anyway, there's no better time to bail on this career than before you've started medical school. Afterwards it becomes exponentially more difficult and painful.[/QUOTE

I meant leaving before even getting my grades for this semester

 

[GreenDuck12]

I'm not sure that leaving the program in question will get rid of the honor code violation. You will be required to submit transcripts from every school that you attend, even if your transcript lists all Ws for withdrawing from the program. If you have an HC violation for academic dishonesty, this will still appear on your transcripts. If you can leave to avoid facing sanctions, do it.

What happens if I just leave school? I am currently in my first semester of a post bacc premedical program after receiving my bachelors last May. Its very expensive (probably my last concern) but I am not doing as great as I want to, I have some debilitating health issues going on, and to make matters AWFUL I received a notice today that I have been accused of an Honor Code violation on an assignment worth less than 2 percent of my grade in a course I'm not even enrolled in anymore. What happens if I just leave? Start over somewhere new? I'm only here to get into medical school and I can't do that with an IA on my transcript. (Although it has not gotten even close to that point yet, I am preparing for the worst) Would future programs have record of me being here? (Or medical schools if I moved home and finished my classes a la carte at a state school?)

 

[GreenDuck12]

One last thing, you asked if medical schools will have access to records showing that you attended a particular school. It isn't medical schools that will but the AAMC. The AAMC will do a form of a background check that will show all universities that you were enrolled in and have records for. Do not omit records in your application because doing this will serious consequences.

 

[entdreams47]

Update after meeting with my Investigating officer regarding my Honor Council Violation: He recommended an expedited sanction, in which I write a letter and he moves the case forward. He said that given the nature of the assignment (close collaboration over a 2 week period), and the fact that it compromised only 2.25% of my grade, and I'm no longer enrolled in the course, from his experience he definitely does not see the Honor Council giving me more than a letter of reprimand, which is kind of like a warning, and held in a draw at the honor council separate from *university name* as an institution (No deans can ever gain access to it) and destroyed once I leave bearing no further issues. I asked about it being on my transcript or if this was an IA that I would have to indicate on my AMCAS and he said that they do not want offenses like this following us around, so they have intentionally compartmentalized letters of reprimand in a way in which they are not considered IAs. Praying the honor council agrees with a punishment along these lines.

Should I stick it out? I was sick to my stomach when this happened before meeting with him and in tears. I didnt sleep all night. In college I had two majors and two minors to get a feel for other career paths, I was actually committed to law school for a while, I applied to a wide variety of jobs, got my real estate license, etc. And finally took the leap to pursue my dream after dropping premed soph year of college. I cannot see myself doing anything other than medicine.

 

[GreenDuck12]

I think you have a lot of other things that you need to figure out before taking classes. You need to get your health issues taken care of so that you can be prepared to do your best work. You also need to figure out why you were struggling so much in the first place and why you ended up in danger of an academic integrity violation. Few things are truly toxic in a medical school application but an academic integrity violation is one of them. Personally, I would stop taking classes until all three of these issues are resolved. Medical schools aren't going any where and you need to do well in your classes you matriculate.

When you are ready to take classes, I would consider doing a post-bac at another university both for financial reasons and because you need to cultivate strong letters of reference. Your reputation as a student travels among faculty members, and even though your academic integrity violation will not be on your transcript, it may most follow you. Personally, I wouldn't take the risk and I would rather have a fresh start.

Best of luck to you.

Update after meeting with my Investigating officer regarding my Honor Council Violation: He recommended an expedited sanction, in which I write a letter and he moves the case forward. He said that given the nature of the assignment (close collaboration over a 2 week period), and the fact that it compromised only 2.25% of my grade, and I'm no longer enrolled in the course, from his experience he definitely does not see the Honor Council giving me more than a letter of reprimand, which is kind of like a warning, and held in a draw at the honor council separate from *university name* as an institution (No deans can ever gain access to it) and destroyed once I leave bearing no further issues. I asked about it being on my transcript or if this was an IA that I would have to indicate on my AMCAS and he said that they do not want offenses like this following us around, so they have intentionally compartmentalized letters of reprimand in a way in which they are not considered IAs. Praying the honor council agrees with a punishment along these lines.

Should I stick it out? I was sick to my stomach when this happened before meeting with him and in tears. I didnt sleep all night. In college I had two majors and two minors to get a feel for other career paths, I was actually committed to law school for a while, I applied to a wide variety of jobs, got my real estate license, etc. And finally took the leap to pursue my dream after dropping premed soph year of college. I cannot see myself doing anything other than medicine.

 

[entdreams47]

I think you have a lot of other things that you need to figure out before taking classes. You need to get your health issues taken care of so that you can be prepared to do your best work. You also need to figure out why you were struggling so much in the first place and why you ended up in danger of an academic integrity violation. Few things are truly toxic in a medical school application but an academic integrity violation is one of them. Personally, I would stop taking classes until all three of these issues are resolved. Medical schools aren't going any where and you need to do well in your classes you matriculate.

When you are ready to take classes, I would consider doing a post-bac at another university both for financial reasons and because you need to cultivate strong letters of reference. Your reputation as a student travels among faculty members, and even though your academic integrity violation will not be on your transcript, it may most follow you. Personally, I wouldn't take the risk and I would rather have a fresh start.

Best of luck to you.

Well didn't you just say AAMC would see any school I ever attended? I don't even know how I would go about enrolling in a different program..

 

[GreenDuck12]

Right, you would still report attending the program and show that you withdrew from it (due to health reasons). Once you get things under control I would look for local universities that will allow you to enroll as a post bac / non degree student. These programs are pretty easy to find. Again, you don't have to switch but this is what I would do.

Well didn't you just say AAMC would see any school I ever attended? I don't even know how I would go about enrolling in a different program..

 

[entdreams47]

Right, you would still report attending the program and show that you withdrew from it (due to health reasons). Once you get things under control I would look for local universities that will allow you to enroll as a post bac / non degree student. These programs are pretty easy to find. Again, you don't have to switch but this is what I would do.

I understand. Thanks for your input. What do others think on this matter? **Bump**

 

[Goro]

Agree 100% with the Duck. You need to get your life in order first. You can always do a DIY post-bac,.

I understand. Thanks for your input. What do others think on this matter? **Bump**

 

[entdreams47]

Agree 100% with the Duck. You need to get your life in order first. You can always do a DIY post-bac,.

I don't want to withdraw from more courses, though. I already have two withdrawals from undergrad. When I said not doing as well as I want, I meant like not getting the A's I hoped for (Not C's). B+ and A-'s only after the first round of tests, however. Should I re-evaluate this manner later in the semester and then if it comes down to it, wait a couple of months to either enroll in a new program or to start up back here?

 

[entdreams47]

I also asked the investigating officer if the premed committee that writes up the recommendation packets (if i finish here) would have access to letter of reprimand, if this is my sanction. he said no and not even my dean will as it is not considered an institutional action by my universities standards

 

[GreenDuck12]

B+ and A- does not qualify as not doing well. Don't withdraw for a B+.

I don't want to withdraw from more courses, though. I already have two withdrawals from undergrad. When I said not doing as well as I want, I meant like not getting the A's I hoped for (Not C's). B+ and A-'s only after the first round of tests, however. Should I re-evaluate this manner later in the semester and then if it comes down to it, wait a couple of months to either enroll in a new program or to start up back here?