What is a good number of IIs for an acceptance?

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I have moved on, but I wanted to show others that this is not necessarily a "who did best in the interview" thing that is so advocated on here. I have 4 more IIs and I'm going to get into one. I started this thread to see if this was a decent chance, and clearly it is. Looking forward to hopefully getting some love from my state schools.
 
I've just got to step in and say that was uncalled for. I thought it was helpful information and a message to all those waiting out there not to take an admissions decision as a judgment of personal character.
You missed the point. I may have been harsh, however the message is the same. No need for him/her to get all worked up about how perfect they are and how a school selected a substandard candidate compared to them. And that even during follow-up they claimed the dean said they did everything perfectly, yet they manage to accept the non-perfect candidate and opt to waitlist OP.
There are a few options on why OP would be adamant that their app is objectively and subjectively better to the ADCOM compared to their friends compared on all possible rubrics and would result in friend being accepted and OP being waitlisted:
1. Op's app is not as good as they claim.
2. Op was not a good fit for the school.
3. OP's friend despite being painfully shy interviewed better than op.
4. OP does not listen to criticism or does not think their app needs work.
5. OP ignores all signs pointing to an issue and decide to blame the process.
6. OP thinks that the years of experience and objective metrics that adcoms use to grade applicants and interviewee's is flawed.
7. OP expects the adcom to be honest rather than polite in a professional setting.


The above leads to the conclusion that OP is lacking in insight or OP is arrogant which is indicative of inexperience or never having faced adversity. My advice was to chalk it off to randomness and move on to the next opportunity because obsessing over it and claiming that there is no way the other person outperformed OP on any metric is problematic.

Now all of this is my opinion you can take it or leave it. OP was just coming accross that way in multiple consecutive posts. OP may be neither.

I have met people like I have described in real life, people who have no idea that they too are human and can make mistakes, can rub people the wrong way, can have an off day or are not special snowflakes and are rather are pretty average. One can continue to live that way and just see the evidence chalk up that they are not all that they claim that they are, or one can take an introspective look at themselves and grow.
 
You missed the point. I may have been harsh, however the message is the same. No need for him/her to get all worked up about how perfect they are and how a school selected a substandard candidate compared to them. And that even during follow-up they claimed the dean said they did everything perfectly, yet they manage to accept the non-perfect candidate and opt to waitlist OP.
There are a few options on why OP would be adamant that their app is objectively and subjectively better to the ADCOM compared to their friends compared on all possible rubrics and would result in friend being accepted and OP being waitlisted:
1. Op's app is not as good as they claim.
2. Op was not a good fit for the school.
3. OP's friend despite being painfully shy interviewed better than op.
4. OP does not listen to criticism or does not think their app needs work.
5. OP ignores all signs pointing to an issue and decide to blame the process.
6. OP thinks that the years of experience and objective metrics that adcoms use to grade applicants and interviewee's is flawed.
7. OP expects the adcom to be honest rather than polite in a professional setting.


The above leads to the conclusion that OP is lacking in insight or OP is arrogant which is indicative of inexperience or never having faced adversity. My advice was to chalk it off to randomness and move on to the next opportunity because obsessing over it and claiming that there is no way the other person outperformed OP on any metric is problematic.

Now all of this is my opinion you can take it or leave it. OP was just coming accross that way in multiple consecutive posts. OP may be neither.

I have met people like I have described in real life, people who have no idea that they too are human and can make mistakes, can rub people the wrong way, can have an off day or are not special snowflakes and are rather are pretty average. One can continue to live that way and just see the evidence chalk up that they are not all that they claim that they are, or one can take an introspective look at themselves and grow.

No, but really I did have an in depth discussion and had the ability to see comments on my application and there was honestly nothing the Dean could say or the Ad com they had me talk with. YOU are the one missing my point lol. I had a meeting in person with my adviser as well and she told me that things sometimes just happen. And many qualified applicants who give great interviews sometimes get lost in the pile or don't fit what the committee at the end desires.

And it's not about that. I was communicating about my friend who came out crying from the interview. I wasn't thinking LOWLY of her. She honestly struggled with answering questions. She is a very shy person.
 
Had a friend two cycles or so ago, top 5 ivy grad, excellent gpa, excellent mcat. Applied then to just top 10, interviewed at all 10, rejected at all 1o. He somehow thought it wise to challenge his interviewers and the admission process during his interviews. Then he was upset they rejected him. FWIW he did reapply next cycle and got into a top 20 but I digress.

The level of entitlement OP displays is actually kind of troubling. Who thinks this highly of themselves AND this lowly of others? Whatever schools waitlisted you may just have dodged a bullet.
How did I think lowly of anyone? I was stating a statement that was true but came off the wrong way on the boards - my stats were better and my remarks were glowing. I'm sorry ???. These are my honest words and I did have the ability to speak with and have an appointment, since that school does advise people to come in and have a chat to see how they can strenghten their app in case of a reapplication.

Did not challenge anyone. I simply went in and asked for feedback so we went over my file and he said he didn't see anything that would suggest why they'd waitlist espeically since my interviewers thought highly of me. I saw that they wrote they could see me working in their lab and that I'd be an assett. I'm sorry if this doesn't "fit" with any of the above things people here have listed, but it's a real thing.
 
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Also please stop posting whatever you have to say if you don't believe me that's fine. I'm tired of the notifications. I've already searched and other people have also had great interviews at schools, become waitlisted, and I was searching for something that would suggest I did have a chance when I gave an example scenario that you got worked up about. I do have 4 IIs and I will do well at them just as I did here. Hopefully one turns into an acceptance.
 
Umm there's nothing else I could have brought to the table as the dean and ad com told me I did perfectly. They could not give me a single reason why I wasn't selected....They praised me and said my stats were significantly higher than those they admitted this round. Seems very unfair.
I don't know if this makes you feel better, but maybe they thought that you were so good that you were probably gonna matriculate to a better school. I've heard that waitlisting can sometimes be a way of yield protection. Don't quote me on this, but maybe viewing the situation this way might make you feel better

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I don't know if this makes you feel better, but maybe they thought that you were so good that you were probably gonna matriculate to a better school. I've heard that waitlisting can sometimes be a way of yield protection. Don't quote me on this, but maybe viewing the situation this way might make you feel better

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Yeild protection usually occurs by not inviting for the interview to begin with. Why even bother with a candidate if they will never attend your school? Makes more sense to bring in candidates that have liklihood of matriculation and then weed out ones you could live without.
 
I don't know if this makes you feel better, but maybe they thought that you were so good that you were probably gonna matriculate to a better school. I've heard that waitlisting can sometimes be a way of yield protection. Don't quote me on this, but maybe viewing the situation this way might make you feel better

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Thanks! I've heard of that, but I'm not a 520+ er by any means. They have one of the lowest MD MCAT averages, though, so I guess that could make sense? I feel fine. I just wanted to see how others fared with this number of IIs and what was considered a good number. I just have to do well on these next few as well! Good luck to you

I got two more IIs today - making it a total of 7 so hopefully things turn out okay. Still missing my two state schools. I applied to 11
 
Since starting medical school, I have probably woken up in the middle of the night like three times panicking about my medical school applications. It gets ingrained in you!

Your waitlist journey was exceptional. I'm not at all surprised that you're traumatized. Hope Rush (if I remember right?) is working out for you!


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1.4% is about 300 matriculants a year. With BS/MD, Direct Linkages in PB/SMP, and the few outstanding recruited applicants, that is a perfectly reasonable number
Or they could be lying .
 
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