what is pathogy residency/dermpath like

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I am an MS3. I have always been interested in Derm. But I have low stats despite doing alot of extracurricular work in derm: Step 1 233/99, 3rd-4th quartile at a top 20 med school. I am planning to do alot of research in derm this year and next and apply for derm in 2013 match but want to apply to path as well as i'm not sure if I want to take time off and reapply. I am starting to really consider dermpath and have lots of questions about it:

- what is a typical day for a pathology resident?
- once you're in pathology, how do you secure a dermpath fellowship?
- are there combined dermpath programs that are shortened duration?
- in what states do pathologists make the most $$$?
 
I am an MS3. I have always been interested in Derm. But I have low stats despite doing alot of extracurricular work in derm: Step 1 233/99, 3rd-4th quartile at a top 20 med school. I am planning to do alot of research in derm this year and next and apply for derm in 2013 match but want to apply to path as well as i'm not sure if I want to take time off and reapply. I am starting to really consider dermpath and have lots of questions about it:

- what is a typical day for a pathology resident?
- once you're in pathology, how do you secure a dermpath fellowship?
- are there combined dermpath programs that are shortened duration?
- in what states do pathologists make the most $$$?

Seriously, if you like derm and $$$, go for derm. Your stats arent bad. You dont want to regret it later. There's a huge difference between being a derm and being a pathologist.
 
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Seriously, if you like derm and $$$, go for derm. Your stats arent bad. You dont want to regret it later. There's a huge difference between being a derm and being a pathologist.[/QUOTE]

I disagree. Alot of dermatologists do dermpath. There's more overlap between path and clinical medicine there than most specialties.
 
I am an MS3. I have always been interested in Derm. But I have low stats despite doing alot of extracurricular work in derm: Step 1 233/99, 3rd-4th quartile at a top 20 med school. I am planning to do alot of research in derm this year and next and apply for derm in 2013 match but want to apply to path as well as i'm not sure if I want to take time off and reapply. I am starting to really consider dermpath and have lots of questions about it:

- what is a typical day for a pathology resident?
Path residents usu rotate through specialties. The clinical path rotations are generally 8-5. The anatomic path side (surg path) is usually a 10-12 hour day. Call is all home call- varies how much and what you do from place to place.

- once you're in pathology, how do you secure a dermpath fellowship?
If you decide on pathology- make sure you pick a program that has a dermpath fellowship. Majority are filled by internal candidates.

- are there combined dermpath programs that are shortened duration?
You can do anatomic pathology only without CP and shorten your residency.

- in what states do pathologists make the most $$$?[/QUOTE]
Dermpath job market (looks to me) to be in good demand. Dermpath (at least now) pays well and often these people work part time and are happy.
 
Path is the best field in medicine. Path residency, however, is kind of a grind without a lot of autonomy. When considering derm vs path, be very mindful of how much you value patient interaction. Personally, I am fulfilled by the occasional FNA.
 
I agree with the above. I highly recommend you do at least one rotation as an MS4 in both dermatology and pathology. They are very different & you do not want to be stuck in a residency & later regret it. Pathology is 4 years (if AP/CP). Dermatology has a preliminary year in which you will do clinical months. Part of me does miss seeing patients, but I honestly would prefer interacting with my colleagues and clinicians.

The typical residency program may seem like a joke as compared to some other fields (i.e. surgery). However, there is an incredible knowledge base that must be learned during residency. The field is just so broad! It's almost like drinking from a fire hydrant. One can quickly get submerged in the daily grind of grossing and so forth, but you have to be disciplined to not be a passive sponge for 4 years. It's not just about passing the boards.

My hours during residency weren't bad at all. Like sirenomelia said, typically 8-5. Your first months on surg path will be grueling, but you will become (I hope) much more efficient. I personally loved surg path so I didn't mind. Call is mostly from home. I rarely got called in to do frozen sections late/middle of night since we have a busy transplant service at my residency program.

Dermpath, as you already know, is competitive. I would recommend that you start doing some research projects once you start getting comfortable with your first year. Try to present (oral or poster) at the ASDP, USCAP, etc. Publish a paper or two. If your home institution has a fellowship program, get to know the director, be present for the lectures, read, and do well on your rotations. It also doesn't hurt to rotate at outside institutions that you are interested in applying to. Develop a relationship with a mentor(s). The typically drill for anything I guess. Personally, I applied to 22 dermpath programs & got called for 10 interviews. I went on my 3rd interview, got accepted, and cancelled everything else. I was very lucky!

As for as I know, there are no combined pathology/dermpath programs. Also, although you may have an edge at the home institution, it doesn't guarantee it. Regarding money, I have no clue. Dermpath will be my second fellowship (surg path the first) so I'm hoping that I'm a relatively qualified candidate, but I also would prefer to work part-time since I have a growing family. If you are interested in academics, of course, the pay will not be as high as you expected.

Good luck!
 
Currently one can end up doing dermpath by starting either as a dermatology resident or as a pathology resident. As previously mentioned, there is a subset of people who do both clinical dermatology and dermatopathology. Neither are unusually difficult disciplines to practice though they are fairly unique, but the training positions have been very well controlled and are very competitive to get into, regardless of which track you take.

So..if one can't get into derm straight out of medical school it may be -possible- to get in by buffing the CV in pathology residency and trying for a derm fellowship. But you really want to know if general pathology would be at all interesting, as a dermpath fellowship is certainly no guarantee -and- you still have to spend 3-4 years in path residency in the meantime -- which isn't for everyone and will likely hurt you if you hate/can't handle it. I totally agree with recommending doing a rotation in each.

Dermatologists and dermatopathologists seem to do well financially regardless of where in the country they are. I think it's more dependent on the specific practice one is working in.
 
- what is a typical day for a pathology resident?
- once you're in pathology, how do you secure a dermpath fellowship?
- are there combined dermpath programs that are shortened duration?
- in what states do pathologists make the most $$$?

I agree with the prior posts. There is a huge distinction between dermatology and pathology residency. You have to decide what your career will be...there are dermatopathologists trained in dermatology or pathology who just read slides all day. There are derm/dermpath's who see patients in clinic and read slides, and there are path/dermpath's who do general surg path/cp/ and dermpath. So the main thing you have to figure out is if you want patient contact or not. It seems to me that based on your post you want to do derm. I would not recommend path to you based on my experience with dermatology residents...there's a huge difference in these fields.

There are no combined dermpath programs with shortened duration. You have to complete residency before entering fellowship. There are fellowships that prefer derms over paths and vice versa.
The salaries in dermpath vary based on setting (use the search function to see more about this topic).
 
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