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What is the trickiest question you ever come across in USMLE?
Idiopathic said:I got the same picture of a kidney three times on my USMLE...in three different blocks!! By the time I saw the third one, I was so pissed about my previous two answers that I wanted to change them (of course I couldnt). Im sure it made the third question (which was the trickiest) that much harder.
On the surface, the question probably wouldnt have been that hard.
Also, I got a question about: "Which of the following would be most likely to cause a woman on OCP's to get pregnant", and 5 antibiotics were listed, NOT rifampin. At least two are known for killing gut flora (flagyl and clinda). I picked flagyl, but I still dont know which one was MOST likely.
Idiopathic said:I got the same picture of a kidney three times on my USMLE...in three different blocks!! By the time I saw the third one, I was so pissed about my previous two answers that I wanted to change them (of course I couldnt). Im sure it made the third question (which was the trickiest) that much harder.
On the surface, the question probably wouldnt have been that hard.
Also, I got a question about: "Which of the following would be most likely to cause a woman on OCP's to get pregnant", and 5 antibiotics were listed, NOT rifampin. At least two are known for killing gut flora (flagyl and clinda). I picked flagyl, but I still dont know which one was MOST likely.
seasurfer said:Is griseofluvin in one of the five options? OR is there any anti-fungal drug in the options?
Chandler said:Now that I think about it. There is no way Idiopathic would have let Griseofulvin or any other fungal drug pass him (he is too sharp to NOT remember that). It all comes down to Ampicillin or Chlorophenicol as one of the choices. The only reason I know these two drugs increase p450 is I'm currently studying antimicrobials for USMLE.
Ruban said:Perhaps this is a dumb question, but what's the relationship between killing bacteria in the gut and getting a woman pregnant? 😕
seasurfer said:The rational behind is :
Normal gastrointestinal flora increases the enterohepatic cycling and hence bioavailability of estrogens, for this reason, antimicrobial drugs that interfere with these organisms may reduce the efficacy of OCP. Hope this help you.
seasurfer said:Chlorophenicol? Are you saying chloramphenicol?
Since Iidopathic mentioned about the two choices, flagyl and clindamycin. morever the question is "most likely to get woman pregnant", thus, in my humble opinion, I would say flagyl is more likely out of these 2 choices, as metronidazole is bactericidal and they tend to kill normal flora in the gut.
But I would like to know if there are other choices, I wouldn't say ampicilin is the choice, having said that flagyl is already one of the options, hence ampicilin will not be the best choice.
Chandler said:You are obviously wrong here. The reason Idiopathic was surprised RIFAMPIN was not one of the choices is because it is a classic P450 inducer. He was thinking the same way I was thinking. If you listen to Goljan, you would know the effect of OCP and P450 inducers. Neither Clindamycin nor metronidazole are P450 inducers.
Ampicillin and Chlorophenical are both p450 inducers (but not as famous as barbiturates or grisevulin). Before you debunk someone's idea, you better brush up on some facts, and back it up.
Also, the most common cause of Pseudomonas Colilitis (i.e killing normal GI flora) is the use of AMPICILLIN not Clindamycin. Plus, metronidazole is used to treat pseudomonas colitis (select out clostidrium difficile), and increase normal GI flora. Hence, your theory of using metronidazole to decrease estrogen reabsorption is self defeating.
Ampicillin would destroy normal GI flora AND increase cytochrome p450.
If Ampicillin or Chlorophenicol was given of the choices (since Idiopathic said there were 5 choices), they are the best choices.
If Ampiclllin or Chlorophenical was not given, then the best answer would be clindamycin because this drug is responsible for killing more GI flora than metronidazole (which is actually a treatment to select out C. Difficile and increase normal flora).
seasurfer said:By the way, it doesn't increase normal flora, it just kill those pathogens that are causing trouble and therefore the GI tract can be restored back.
Chandler said:We are actually thinking this through and this is a good exercise to review Pharm.
seasurfer said:Maybe I should change my topic to "What is the most controversial question you ever come across in USMLE?"
mycin1600 said:cf., http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=129721&page=2&pp=10
mycin1600: rifampin is the antibiotic that interferes with oral contraceptives. that's in first aid pharm in the high-yield points at the beginning. rifampin REVS up P450 so it interferes with oral contraceptives. d'uh.
Idiopathic: Yeah, I know. But so does anything that kills your gut flora, genius. You want to make a list of those drugs? In fact, they are more likely to cause you to have an OC 'accident' than a cyp450 inducer.
mycin1600: well they obviously wouldn't give more than one choice. either they give a P450 STIMULATOR (rifampin; not an inhibitor) or something that wipes out the gut flora and hence interferes with clotting, oral contraception, etc. ahh, well you edited your post now fixing it from inhibitor to stimulator, so i might as well edit mine.
Idiopathic: I thought I 'knew' what they wouldnt do, as well. And yes, rifampin was a choice, and no, I didnt put it, for reasons previously explained. But I am man enough to admit that I got it wrong. One wrong aint too bad.
mycin1600: actually, to argue with you once again, i think p450 stimulators are actually more likely to cause OC problems than gut-flora destroying drugs. because, griseofulvin (an antifungal, obviously) and basically all p450 stimulators are also associated with reduced OC effectiveness. find me evidence that shows otherwise and i'll concede graciously.
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Undeniable evidence that Idiopathic is a liar. In that thread he admits that rifampin was a choice and he didn't select it. I can't believe he's still dwelling over questions that he got wrong hoping that someone might refute the right answer... just like you folks are doing.
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Chandler said:Chlorophenical
mycin1600 said:Undeniable evidence that Idiopathic is a liar. In that thread he admits that rifampin was a choice and he didn't select it. I can't believe he's still dwelling over questions that he got wrong hoping that someone might refute the right answer... just like you folks are doing.
-mycin is back (briefly)
Idiopathic said:I got the same picture of a kidney three times on my USMLE...in three different blocks!! By the time I saw the third one, I was so pissed about my previous two answers that I wanted to change them (of course I couldnt). Im sure it made the third question (which was the trickiest) that much harder.
On the surface, the question probably wouldnt have been that hard.
Also, I got a question about: "Which of the following would be most likely to cause a woman on OCP's to get pregnant", and 5 antibiotics were listed, NOT rifampin. At least two are known for killing gut flora (flagyl and clinda). I picked flagyl, but I still dont know which one was MOST likely.
Pox in a box said:Flagyl? Are you saying that was an answer choice on Step 1?
Pox in a box said:Flagyl? Are you saying that was an answer choice on Step 1?
Long Dong said:Not on step 1 but I got a question on the CBSE that said some guy on HTN meds or CHF meds, forgot what exactly, decided to be non-compliant and go off his meds. He got tachy. What meds caused this? I said beta blocker, one of my classmates said clonidine.
Another CBSE Q said some guy from AZ moved to the east coast 3 years ago. For the past 6 month has had lymphad, and lung problems. Biopsy of nodes showed arthroconidia. Thinking cocci, but his lived in east coast 3 years now, so guessed blasto, could've been histo for all I know. Any ideas anyone.
Reduced efficacy and increased incidence of breakthrough bleeding and menstrual irregularities have been associated with concomitant use of rifampin. A similar association though less marked, has been suggested with barbiturates, phenylbutazone, phenytoin sodium, and possibly with griseofulvin, ampicillin and tetracyclines.
Long Dong said:Not on step 1 but I got a question on the CBSE that said some guy on HTN meds or CHF meds, forgot what exactly, decided to be non-compliant and go off his meds. He got tachy. What meds caused this? I said beta blocker, one of my classmates said clonidine.
Samoa said:i'd have guessed coccidiomycosis for the second one, based on his having lived in Arizona. (edit: after checking, I discovered that coccidioides is the only one of the big three that has arthroconidia.)
Boomer said:To answer the original Q: On COMLEX I. Late in one of the books, there was a 2 or 3 part question with a long ass lead in that talked about a migrant Mexican farm worker, living in the SAN JOAQUIN VALLEY, having dry cough, fever, etc....The lead in took about half a page. The last sentence in the lead in states that "sputum stain is positive for AFB."
I know a lot of people in my class who are slower at taking tests, saw SJV, etc, and skipped to the answers, putting cocci, etc....When I pointed out what the stem actually said, there were some pissed off folks.
Apparently, the year before, COMLEX used the same lead in, but the last line said "sputum positive for gram + cocci in chains and pairs." Bastards....
seasurfer said:The rational behind is :
Normal gastrointestinal flora increases the enterohepatic cycling and hence bioavailability of estrogens, for this reason, antimicrobial drugs that interfere with these organisms may reduce the efficacy of OCP. Hope this help you.
bigfrank said:First of all, idiopathic's not a liar. Whoever said that needs to hop in bed with p53, my new little annoyance. 🙂
Long Dong said:Another CBSE question, some kid had some limb malformations,and rib cage malformations, don't remember all the choices, but guessed between hox (homo box) and hedge hog gene. Choose hedge hog, did a goole on hedge hog and still not sure what this gene does.
I took the same exam, I guessed the hedgehog gene just because it was the most unusual answer choice.Long Dong said:Another CBSE question, some kid had some limb malformations,and rib cage malformations, don't remember all the choices, but guessed between hox (homo box) and hedge hog gene. Choose hedge hog, did a goole on hedge hog and still not sure what this gene does.
carrigallen said:I took the same exam, I guessed the hedgehog gene just because it was the most unusual answer choice.
Anyone else remember a question on that exam: An AIDS patient, being prophylaxed for TB, on HAART therapy, who was suffering from a side effect, and then they asked which drug was causing the side effect? The answer choices were a list of about 8 drugs: rifampin, INH, protease inhibitors, etc..
carrigallen said:I took the same exam, I guessed the hedgehog gene just because it was the most unusual answer choice.
Anyone else remember a question on that exam: An AIDS patient, being prophylaxed for TB, on HAART therapy, who was suffering from a side effect, and then they asked which drug was causing the side effect? The answer choices were a list of about 8 drugs: rifampin, INH, protease inhibitors, etc..
Long Dong said:I'm not sure but I think the patient was anemic (sideroblastic) so I think I put INH.
Anybody wanna tell the differences of Homo box vs Hedge hog gene? 😕
bigfrank said:pee53, put thos headphones back on!!! You got alotta catchin' up to do!!
p53 said:Frankie, you can't be that clever.Did you pick that up from your child? I can't believe you are still thinking about me. You have a wife and a child, and a random stranger gets this much attention. Something is definitely wrong with you. Have some dignity, Frankie. Your retorts are getting desperate.
You have been outsmarted. Now walk away, and we will never acknowledge one another.
carrigallen said:Anyone else remember a question on that exam: An AIDS patient, being prophylaxed for TB, on HAART therapy, who was suffering from a side effect, and then they asked which drug was causing the side effect? The answer choices were a list of about 8 drugs: rifampin, INH, protease inhibitors, etc..
sounds familiar to me. I clearly recall, however, a question in which they gave me FIVE HAART drugs and asked for an obscure side effect. I saw an ID attending a few days later and posed the question to him when it was fresh in my mind and he said, "What the f___?"HiddenTruth said:i took the same cbse--and i don't remember specifically about the side effect, but i vaguely remember this question. And, somehow, i want to say that it was an ocular side effect, and i think ethambutol was the answer. It was either associated with that, or it may have been a drug itneraction typa' question--i don't quite remember, sorry---does this sound familiar though?