what made you want to become a DO?

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its obvious that most people in the allopathic section only go to DO school simply because they were rejected to all or most of the allopathic medicine schools.

why do you guys choose DO over MD?
 
Why do some people choose a Mac over a PC, etc? I'm sure there are a variety of reasons why people make the choices that they do. More often than not, however, I am inclined to think that choices of this nature tend to be complex and have a multitude of factors and reasons involved, especially given that there are a good amount of non-trads who apply to osteopathic medical schools.

The more important question you need to ask is not why someone else is choosing one thing or another, but why would YOU choose DO? 😉
 
its obvious that most people in the allopathic section only go to DO school simply because they were rejected to all or most of the allopathic medicine schools.

why do you guys choose DO over MD?

i speak for myself, but i feel like a lot of other people feel the same way.

I haven't "chosen" DO over MD. I havent even been accepted anywhere. You are incorrect to assume that if you are in the pre-osteo forum, you must have already decided to go DO over MD. many people on this forum are applying to both, myself included. When the time comes, I will make a decision.

That being said, the initials behind my name are not important. I am trying to find the best school for me. That does not mean the top 20 as ranked by US News. It means the school that I feel most comfortable at, the school wehre I enjoy the people, the environment, the faculty, a place where I feel I will get a great education that will prepare me well for my future. Which school offers me the best overall package? Well as of now, I dont have any idea, but i have about 16 schools that I think will make me happy for a variety of reasons, and its split pretty even between DO and MD.
 
I haven't "chosen" DO over MD. I havent even been accepted anywhere. You are incorrect to assume that if you are in the pre-osteo forum, you must have already decided to go DO over MD. many people on this forum are applying to both, myself included. When the time comes, I will make a decision.

This is a very good and important point. Thanks for sharing it.
 
I had no idea what a DO was until my sophomore year of undergrad. I met a resident anesthesiologist who graduated from KCOM, and she informed me about osteopathic medicine. She was extremely helpful, extremely kind, and extremely smart. I ended up visiting her school, and decided right there and then that her school was right for me.

I start there in just over a month!
 
I had no idea what a DO was until my sophomore year of undergrad. I met a resident anesthesiologist who graduated from KCOM, and she informed me about osteopathic medicine. She was extremely helpful, extremely kind, and extremely smart. I ended up visiting her school, and decided right there and then that her school was right for me.

I start there in just over a month!

thats really cool! and congrats on your acceptance!

in response to spicedmanna, i still don't know which is the right path for me seeing that both DO and MD has its pros and cons, i just thought i'd find out what other people's reasons were. 😛
 
thats really cool! and congrats on your acceptance!

in response to spicedmanna, i still don't know which is the right path for me seeing that both DO and MD has its pros and cons, i just thought i'd find out what other people's reasons were. 😛

Here's an easy way to decide: Apply to all of the schools that are in areas where you wouldn't mind living for 1-4 years, depending on the program. Then keep an open mind at your interviews and ask all the questions you can think of. After that, wait for your acceptances to come. If you are lucky enough to have a choice between MD and DO, figure out which school will make you the happiest and prepare you best for the boards and residency. If you only have one acceptance or only get acceptances from one side of the fence, your decision was made for you.
 
My decision tree looks like this:
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The main reason I would choose MD over DO is that I don't want to take anymore classes I will never use than I have to (and OMM classifies quite nicely under the "I'll never use that" category) and I don't want to take two sets of boards so I can apply broadly to residencies. I would be very happy at a DO program, but I would prefer to avoid the petty annoyances if I can.
 
I don't think anyone should EXPECT the luxury of having multiple acceptances, or PLAN on it. No matter how sexy your AACOMAS looks. If you like research, go to a school with research opportunities. If you like incapacitating traumatic injuries, go to Wayne State. If you like (other characteristic), go to a school with good opportunities. If you get multiple acceptances in MD and DO, do what makes you feel right.
 
If you like incapacitating traumatic injuries, go to Wayne State.
Detroit Receiving....yeah baby. 😉 I work across the street from DRH.
 
I don't think anyone should EXPECT the luxury of having multiple acceptances, or PLAN on it. No matter how sexy your AACOMAS looks

I understand, but if you don't have multiple acceptances, that simplifies things then. You're either going to be an MD or a DO and have no real choice in the matter at that point (unless you are stupid enough to pass up an acceptance, in which case, you will most likely wind up as neither).
 
I realize that there are good and bad doctors with MD and DO after their name. It just so happens that in the short time frame of a year I came across more DOs (or just noticed) than I ever had. Every single one of them gave me a great experience, from stiching up my sister's skull, to taking care of my girlfriend in the ER; all of them just had a little something extra. I applied MD only my first time around not really knowing anything about DO. Now I'm applying DO only because my preference has changed. For me, I want to be that physician that makes the patient and their family say "wow he was really great at taking care of my loved one;" and sure you can do this with either degree. It just so happens that the ones who've made me say this were all DOs.
 
I realize that there are good and bad doctors with MD and DO after their name. It just so happens that in the short time frame of a year I came across more DOs (or just noticed) than I ever had. Every single one of them gave me a great experience, from stiching up my sister's skull, to taking care of my girlfriend in the ER; all of them just had a little something extra. I applied MD only my first time around not really knowing anything about DO. Now I'm applying DO only because my preference has changed. For me, I want to be that physician that makes the patient and their family say "wow he was really great at taking care of my loved one;" and sure you can do this with either degree. It just so happens that the ones who've made me say this were all DOs.

Good answer!

The first DO I met did a terrible job taking care of my wife in the ER. However, it was Christmas day, and he was the only doc in the department. The next one I met, whom I shadowed, is among the most thorough, level headed docs I've been around.

I chose to apply to both types of schools because they both let me treat patients in about a decade.
 
I am applying to both, however OMM really does intrigue me. The doctor I shadowed regularly used it in moderate amounts (neck adjustments and the back adjustment) and I had her perform it on my because I had lower back pain that would not go away but I trusted her more than a chiropractor I haven't met, plus it was a great way to experience. After seeing patients relieved of pain and having my back pain go away it really sold me.
 
I am applying to both, however OMM really does intrigue me. The doctor I shadowed regularly used it in moderate amounts (neck adjustments and the back adjustment) and I had her perform it on my because I had lower back pain that would not go away but I trusted her more than a chiropractor I haven't met, plus it was a great way to experience. After seeing patients relieved of pain and having my back pain go away it really sold me.

Yeah so many patients have intractable lower back pain, who I'm sure could find some or much relief from OMM. Especially helpful for FP and PM&R.
 
I applied to both, interviewed with both. Withdrew from some of both. I was looking for a school that was a good fit for me, in a location that was a good fit for my children and my husband, where we could afford to live as a family, where my husband could get a job... so much more than the initials behind the name. I wanted to be a physician. I didn't want to be an MD physician or a DO physician. A physician. And I was looking for the best school for me that would accomplish that goal.
 
A DO changed my life. I had a shift in my C5-8 vertebrae, a group of DO's gave me a full recovery, when I was told that a spinal fusion was necessary. It was when I was in High school and at the time I was told such a procedure would ban me from all sports, and physical activities. So yeah, I believe in them!

I was .3mm from requiring a fusion and through OMM and rehab I was competing again 8 months later.
 
I blame mine on my cruddy mattress :meanie:. But she was an FP and used it quite frequently.

Hey Bacchus - I saw your way cool signature in this thread and thought I'd share - it's a bit of a digression, so apologies everyone!

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And now back to the discussion at hand...
 
thanks for all your responses, its really cool to read your experiences since i've NEVER met a DO before.. or have i..?:meanie: jk, no i have never met one.. but i will for sure this summer since i will be hunting for a couple to shadow 😀

I am applying to both, however OMM really does intrigue me. The doctor I shadowed regularly used it in moderate amounts (neck adjustments and the back adjustment) and I had her perform it on my because I had lower back pain that would not go away but I trusted her more than a chiropractor I haven't met, plus it was a great way to experience. After seeing patients relieved of pain and having my back pain go away it really sold me.

One of the reasons why I am interested in DO also is because of OMM. But question, are OMM's used frequently? Can a DO do EVERYTHING an MD can do? for example, a pediatric MD is the same as pediatric DO except the pediatric DO got an additional training in OMM? is an MD surgeon basically the same as a DO surgeon?
 
A DO changed my life. I had a shift in my C5-8 vertebrae, a group of DO's gave me a full recovery, when I was told that a spinal fusion was necessary. It was when I was in High school and at the time I was told such a procedure would ban me from all sports, and physical activities. So yeah, I believe in them!

I was .3mm from requiring a fusion and through OMM and rehab I was competing again 8 months later.

thats amazing 🙂 I also played sports in high school (swim, water polo, volleyball) and I woulda killed myself if I was unable to participate because of some spinal injury..
 
Can a DO do EVERYTHING an MD can do? for example, a pediatric MD is the same as pediatric DO except the pediatric DO got an additional training in OMM? is an MD surgeon basically the same as a DO surgeon?

Jesus ... how can you be around here for more than an hour and not discover that in practice DOs and MDs are indistinguishable. A DO in any specialty can do absolutely anything an MD can in that specialty. If not, why would DOs be able to apply for all MD residencies?? The only real differences would come down to hospital privileges (which would be a case by case basis for physicians, not an MD can use these facilities but a DO can't) and learning OMM which is an additional medical tool, not something that trumps the western medicine MDs and DOs learn. So your question, rephrased, is 'can one pediatrician do what another pediatrician can? Is one surgeon basically the same as another surgeon??' And I think those answers are much clearer when you realize that you are trying to compare two PHYSICIANS in the same field. Identical.
 
One of the reasons why I am interested in DO also is because of OMM. But question, are OMM's used frequently?

No, OMM is not used frequently by practicing DO's. A minority of DO's use it regularly. I think it's unfortunate, but it is the reality right now, since it is rather useful as an adjunctive mode of therapy. However, it is also true that it does not lend itself to all specialties, as it will become apparent as you learn more about medicine.

Can a DO do EVERYTHING an MD can do? for example, a pediatric MD is the same as pediatric DO except the pediatric DO got an additional training in OMM? is an MD surgeon basically the same as a DO surgeon?

Okay, I am choosing to answer your question because I think it is an honest one. We get this one frequently and sometimes my emotions get the better of me when I hear it. To ask such a question is to be ignorant of modern medicine, but I know that many still are, and I understand. Sadly, today, even after more than a century of presence, DO's are still not as well recognized as their peers, probably by virtue of their minority status among practitioners of medicine and by the subborness of the old-schoolers and the more conservative among us, who attempt to draw out the few, insignificant remaining distinctions in order to preserve the status quo of our separateness. Well, as Plessy vs. Ferguson taught us, separate is not equal. I think until we come to terms with the fact that there is virtually no difference between us and allopathic physicians, except for a few bits of history and a therapeutic modality that anyone can learn, and we keep spending our energy preserving the past, that is exactly where we will remain. We can be guided by history, but we must not be limited by it.

Anyway, enough of politics. To answer your question, yes, DO's are virtually identical to the MD. You won't be able to tell the difference a majority of the time, unless the DO is using OMM, or he tells you his degree. With the exception of that, both receive equivalent training and more importantly, perhaps, practice to the very same standard of care. The only difference, today, is that DO's are required to learn OMM in medical school. This does not mean that practicing DO's use it, simply that they are required to learn it and tested on it. A DO pediatrician, or surgeon, or whatever specialty, is completely and utterly equivalent to an MD pediatrician, or surgeon, or whatever specialty. There can be NO doubt about it.
 
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well said spicedmanna.

I want to be a DO because I like the idea of OMT and I think is many cases it may be better than medication. Being a DO to me is being an MD with an extra tool in manipulation to use should it be warranted.
 
I am having trouble with this question since I know that DO schools will ask it on upcoming secondaries. From my experience with both DO's and MD's the only difference I found was among individuals, there was no dividing line separating the cold, indifferent MD's from the warm and fuzzy DO's. Honestly, the reason I am applying DO is to increase my options for schools, like ShyRem.

How do I answer this question when I really don't think that DO's have an identifiable cohesive philosophy beyond the fact that on all Osteopathic medical schools' web sites they claim to be more compassionate?
 
I am having trouble with this question since I know that DO schools will ask it on upcoming secondaries. From my experience with both DO's and MD's the only difference I found was among individuals, there was no dividing line separating the cold, indifferent MD's from the warm and fuzzy DO's. Honestly, the reason I am applying DO is to increase my options for schools, like ShyRem.

How do I answer this question when I really don't think that DO's have an identifiable cohesive philosophy beyond the fact that on all Osteopathic medical schools' web sites they claim to be more compassionate?
That's how you answer it. They don't want you to quote their website, with AOA catch-phrases regarding what DO's are supposed to be. They want you to understand what's really going on.
 
I think it would hurt you to make blanket statements like that, because it sounds like horse****. Evaluate each school individually. Not all MD schools vs. all DO schools.

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I think it would hurt you to make blanket statements like that, because it sounds like horse****. Evaluate each school individually. Not all MD schools vs. all DO schools.

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Way to suckle the noobs, TT. I guess someone has to do it... :meanie:
 
I totally agree that it sounds like horse**** and so I think that a better secondary question would be "Why this medical school?" instead of "Why Osteopathic medicine?"

But most schools' secondaries that I have seen most definitely ask "Why Osteopathic medicine;" the question itself forces us to compare MD to DO.
 
A DO changed my life. I had a shift in my C5-8 vertebrae, a group of DO's gave me a full recovery, when I was told that a spinal fusion was necessary. It was when I was in High school and at the time I was told such a procedure would ban me from all sports, and physical activities. So yeah, I believe in them!

I was .3mm from requiring a fusion and through OMM and rehab I was competing again 8 months later.


:soexcited::clap::banana:
 
I think that is kind of a trick question. They aren't asking "why not allopathic medicine?"

What they're really asking is "do you know what the **** DO's actually do?"

My answer was that, while generally indistinguishable from MD's in practice, the osteopathic principles may attract a somewhat different mindset in a lot of applicants, and I might fit in a little better with people like that.

In reality, that's the truth. I'm sure I'd be just fine at an MD school, but there's something about the large number of non-trads, as well as manipulative treatment, that really did attract me to DO schools, once I did a little research on them. I use a lot of soft-tissue manipulation on athletes already, and I'm kind of looking forward to learning more about that kind of thing, as well as being around a lot of people closer to my age.

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I'm applying to both types. If I am lucky enough to get into both, I'll choose MD/PhD because MD/PhDs are free (MSTP programs) while DOs require you to pay for the medical school years. I'd love for a DO school to try to get MSTP funding sometime.
 
DOs clearly get laid more often. That's really the only reason...
 
I think they do it for the lulz.


Narf!
 
Is that you, Brain?


So what are we going to do tonight?
 
I'm applying to both types. If I am lucky enough to get into both, I'll choose MD/PhD because MD/PhDs are free (MSTP programs) while DOs require you to pay for the medical school years. I'd love for a DO school to try to get MSTP funding sometime.

Is this seriously why you'd do MSTP? Man...I'd highly reconsider that...I'm sure you realize the amount of school you're going to go through in addition to clinical years...everyone's in debt afterwards, don't do 3-4+ more years of school just because you'll be less in debt, unless you really mean to do a couple years of solid research.
 
The same thing we do every night, Pinkie....

TRY TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!!!!!!
 
The same thing we do every night, Pinkie....

TRY TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!!!!!!

You know what, Brain? I am tired of this of this taking over the world business. I am going to listen to some music and then its off to bed. So you tomorrow night, Brain.
 
Wouldn't it hurt me to say that I don't care if I go to a DO school or an MD school?

Yeah you probably don't want to say that, for the most part when I interviewed it seemed that DO schools wanted to be sure they were accepting people that wanted the degree they offered and wouldn't run if an MD school accepted them.
 
Yeah you probably don't want to say that, for the most part when I interviewed it seemed that DO schools wanted to be sure they were accepting people that wanted the degree they offered and wouldn't run if an MD school accepted them.

Haha, sorry guys, yeah, I wouldn't have really written an essay for a secondary DO app. in which the theme was "I don't care which degree I get," because that would be lame. In fact, that was the point of my question. I just didn't understand how to approach that question "Why osteopathic medicine?" because the truth is that I really don't care which degree I get. I am passionate about specific osteopathic and allopathic programs and the opportunities that they afford. That's it. But now I have more of an idea of how to approach that loaded question. Thanks again, TT.
 
I would really like to read more about the philosophy behind both types of medicine. I'm not sure where to look for information. I have read over the AACOM info as well as the AMCA info. Is there anywhere/any book/whatever that has better information?
 
Is this seriously why you'd do MSTP? Man...I'd highly reconsider that...I'm sure you realize the amount of school you're going to go through in addition to clinical years...everyone's in debt afterwards, don't do 3-4+ more years of school just because you'll be less in debt, unless you really mean to do a couple years of solid research.

No, I am going to get a DO/MD and a PhD regardless. In the DO world, I have to pay for the medical portion of my education - so I'm not saving any money, and I'd still do it. I 😍 research, and I want to be very heavy on research as a career choice.

If it was just to save the money, I wouldn't do it. Obviously, I'd like to save money on top of it, that's why my preference is for MSTP programs, but I'd do it anyway.
 
I would really like to read more about the philosophy behind both types of medicine. I'm not sure where to look for information. I have read over the AACOM info as well as the AMCA info. Is there anywhere/any book/whatever that has better information?

Sherwin Nuland wrote an incredibly boring and pretentious but somewhat worthwhile book called "Doctors" which takes you way, way WAY back to Galen and stealing corpses and vital ethers and runs you up to about 1980.

Western medicine (like Eastern) is incredibly old, and trying to find "the" philosophy behind it isn't really feasible. A doc practicing in a public community health center in New Mexico is not going to subscribe to the same daily care philosophy as a Bev Hills plastic surgeon, whether DO or MD. It varies by region, country, culture, religion, socioeconomics, etc. The stated DO philosophy is marketing, and it's hardly relevant in any but an OMT practice setting.

I seriously doubt that the average practicing physician feels that he/she practices "a type of medicine" or subscribes to any philosophy beyond the blurb required for his/her website, where nobody is going to say "I treat diseases, not patients. Visa and Mastercard accepted."

I respect your interest in getting under the covers, though, and I'd encourage you to read doctor memoirs and anything by Atul Gawande if you want to deepen your understanding. I heart Gawande bigtime.
 
With a DO degree, my name will be half of a sentence.


I like that.
 
No, I am going to get a DO/MD and a PhD regardless. In the DO world, I have to pay for the medical portion of my education - so I'm not saving any money, and I'd still do it. I 😍 research, and I want to be very heavy on research as a career choice.

If it was just to save the money, I wouldn't do it. Obviously, I'd like to save money on top of it, that's why my preference is for MSTP programs, but I'd do it anyway.

Have you considered just doing a PhD and researching, or do you plan to do clinical work as well?? Also, I must say that an MD/PhD does have advantages as far as how much of the degree is financially covered. Is it almost all of the training that is paid for??
 
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