What raises/lowers a dentists salary? (my list)

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Hey everyone,

I am making a list of things a dentist can do to raise/lower his salary for my website. I would be thankful for any thoughts on what I've got so far. These are generalizations of course, I know there are exceptions but I want generalizations.

Raises:
  1. Owning your own practice
  2. Having business skills
  3. Working more hours
  4. Performing cosmetic dentistry
  5. Doing complicated dental procedures
  6. Getting advanced education in dentistry
  7. Specializing (becoming a orthodontist etc…)

Lowers:
  1. Working for the military
  2. Working for a large dental chain
  3. Working fewer hours

Thanks so much!

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Hey everyone,

I am making a list of things a dentist can do to raise/lower his salary for my website. I would be thankful for any thoughts on what I've got so far. These are generalizations of course, I know there are exceptions but I want generalizations.

Raises:
  1. Owning your own practice
  2. Having business skills
  3. Working more hours
  4. Performing cosmetic dentistry
  5. Doing complicated dental procedures
  6. Getting advanced education in dentistry
  7. Specializing (becoming a orthodontist etc…)

Lowers:
  1. Working for the military
  2. Working for a large dental chain
  3. Working fewer hours

Thanks so much!

More raises:

- Having patients pay cash instead of going through insurance,
- Performing quality work (when people feel they got a good value/experience they will recommend you to family and friends),
- Working efficiently (can see more patients per day),
- Larger patient base
- Hiring on additional associate dentists and/or hygienists who will essentially pay their own salary while also earning money for you (of course this only applies if you own the practice)
 
Best ways to raise:
increase hourly production
decrease fixed overhead
 
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Hey everyone,

I am making a list of things a dentist can do to raise/lower his salary for my website. I would be thankful for any thoughts on what I've got so far. These are generalizations of course, I know there are exceptions but I want generalizations.

Raises:
  1. Owning your own practice
  2. Having business skills
  3. Working more hours
  4. Performing cosmetic dentistry
  5. Doing complicated dental procedures
  6. Getting advanced education in dentistry
  7. Specializing (becoming a orthodontist etc…)

Lowers:
  1. Working for the military
  2. Working for a large dental chain
  3. Working fewer hours

Thanks so much!
I disagree, this can go in either category. Some dental mills flush so many patients at you, one make a killing but it isn't for all.
 
I disagree, this can go in either category. Some dental mills flush so many patients at you, one make a killing but it isn't for all.

I know what you mean, but I still wonder if you could start your own practice, flush patients thought, and make more? The big company is taking their cut so I feel like it still means you earn less. But, thats just my take on it.
 
Hey everyone,

I am making a list of things a dentist can do to raise/lower his salary for my website. I would be thankful for any thoughts on what I've got so far. These are generalizations of course, I know there are exceptions but I want generalizations.

Raises:
  1. Owning your own practice
  2. Having business skills
  3. Working more hours
  4. Performing cosmetic dentistry
  5. Doing complicated dental procedures
  6. Getting advanced education in dentistry
  7. Specializing (becoming a orthodontist etc…)

Lowers:
  1. Working for the military
  2. Working for a large dental chain
  3. Working fewer hours

Thanks so much!

The "doing more complicated procedures" one is both a yes and no answer. The reality is that if I'm doing say a large (8 to 12 unit) bridge, yes, I'm billing that patient a great deal of money. However, I'm also (atleast the vast majority of the time) using a great deal of chairtime and spending a large amount in lab fees for that case, so sometimes while your gross billing for a large procedure may be big, your net might not be as big as it would be if you were doing a bunch of "smaller"(single unit crowns, molar endo, quadrants of direct composite, etc) procedure in that same time frame
 
Hey everyone,

I am making a list of things a dentist can do to raise/lower his salary for my website. I would be thankful for any thoughts on what I've got so far. These are generalizations of course, I know there are exceptions but I want generalizations.

Raises:
  1. Owning your own practice
  2. Having business skills
  3. Working more hours
  4. Performing cosmetic dentistry
  5. Doing complicated dental procedures
  6. Getting advanced education in dentistry
  7. Specializing (becoming a orthodontist etc…)

Lowers:
  1. Working for the military
  2. Working for a large dental chain
  3. Working fewer hours

Thanks so much!




Raises:

1. raise fees


Lowers:

1. overstaff
 
The "doing more complicated procedures" one is both a yes and no answer. The reality is that if I'm doing say a large (8 to 12 unit) bridge, yes, I'm billing that patient a great deal of money. However, I'm also (atleast the vast majority of the time) using a great deal of chairtime and spending a large amount in lab fees for that case, so sometimes while your gross billing for a large procedure may be big, your net might not be as big as it would be if you were doing a bunch of "smaller"(single unit crowns, molar endo, quadrants of direct composite, etc) procedure in that same time frame

You are right, I'm going to change it to doing complicated dental procedures at a profitable speed.

I'll also add doing lots of smaller procedures very quickly
 
Hey everyone,

I am making a list of things a dentist can do to raise/lower his salary for my website. I would be thankful for any thoughts on what I've got so far. These are generalizations of course, I know there are exceptions but I want generalizations.



Raises:
  1. Owning your own practice
  2. Having business skills
  3. Working more hours
  4. Performing cosmetic dentistry
  5. Doing complicated dental procedures
  6. Getting advanced education in dentistry
  7. Specializing (becoming a orthodontist etc…)

Lowers:
  1. Working for the military
  2. Working for a large dental chain
  3. Working fewer hours
Thanks so much!

Both of these could go either way. The goal is to always open your own office, but everyone has to know that there are risks involved. The terms "bank owned" and "abandoned leaseholds" exist for a reason. Also, what do doctors do when their own practices don't work out? They go back to working for the dental chains which would actually be an increase in salary from negative.
 
Hey everyone,

I am making a list of things a dentist can do to raise/lower his salary for my website. I would be thankful for any thoughts on what I've got so far. These are generalizations of course, I know there are exceptions but I want generalizations.

Raises:
  1. Owning your own practice
  2. Having business skills
  3. Working more hours
  4. Performing cosmetic dentistry
  5. Doing complicated dental procedures
  6. Getting advanced education in dentistry
  7. Specializing (becoming a orthodontist etc&#8230😉

Lowers:
  1. Working for the military
  2. Working for a large dental chain
  3. Working fewer hours

Thanks so much!

The insurance industry will severly lower your income. In some states they can dictate price for procedure, decline procedure down grad procedure, add steps that makes filing a claim difficult, like using the term medical necessity and then not defining medical necessity for you... lol seriously i have had claims for extraction of an abscessed tooth denied bc they deemed it not medically necessary.
i think the insurance industry has hurt dentist income, while at the same time skyrocketed their. The number of for profit dental schools is also lowering dental income in the long run. many students with the ability to pay can get in regardless of undergrad grade, so they are flooding the market with dentist (this seems to be occuring in other firlds as well like law and medicine). Corporate dentistry is also lowering your income, they can undersell procedure by providing payment plans as little as $10 per month, patients unaware they are walking into a dental mill usually chose the chain bc of the low payment plan while the single family practioner does not have the means to offer services that low bc you have an overhead. On the topic of lowering income corporate dentistry can also lower your income in a different indirect manner. I had a friend who worked for a chain. He was about to deliver a partial. The partial did not fit and told her to return to have a new one. She had a balance, and in my friends state if you start a procedure u must finish it (this can vary from state to state) regardless of ability to pay. Well the corporation refused to let her return bc of inability to pay. She sued, and since it becomes an issue of malpractice it landed on my friend, even though he wanted to do a new denture as a result of it he had a claim on him and his malpractice went up. and unfortunately the chain is immune in my state bc malpractice lands on the doc not the corp, and they were just trying to collect. so malpractice claims can lower you income, bc claims even if dismiss is seen as increasing your risk of liability.

economy can also lower you income. People are less reluctant to have work done, when they dont have the money.


A GPR or AEGD can raise your income. Many of my class mates who did one of the two dont refer many patients bc they have been exposed to more complicated cases in the program, friends that did not do one of the programs refer a lot, and when you refer to much that money out the door. Many patient who are refered dont return.

Working weekend can increase your income. Many doctors hate working weekends and even friday, so there is an opportunity there. In one of my clinics I shut down monday and sunday and Saturday is our busiest day.

Being able to do same day emergencies can increase your income. Emergencies is a major source of new patients for me. I had a lot of emergency training in my residency so getting patients out of pain is one of the best ways of getting and keeping new patients. Also many emergencies are higher production procedures so its a double win.

A good staff is also key. to generating raport. you want the person at the front to be a people person that can remember the patients name when they walk in is key to to building a relationship, look at starbucks they tell their employees to learns clients names, its the same in dentistry.

Keep your clinic clean... Many people have a clinic that looks cluttered, they want to show off equipment but they over do it and it looks clutter, so keep it clutterless but appealling in my clinic I dont have traditional white walls I have nature color clinic and plants (sort of looks like a very comfortable living room)

Another thing to learn that could potentially save you money is to know how to do what you delegate. for example if you decide you want to accept insurance you want to know how to file claims yourself and not really on your front staff. I have seen many doctors who never filed a claim nor knew how to file or verify insurance and loss tons of money. I know one lady who lost 70,000 yes 70,000 in unfiled misfiled claims. I have seen docs who had a fallout with the front staff (the one doing the ins filing ), the front staff quits, and they dont know who to file ins claims so no money is coming in until they higher some one to file the claims for them.

Take a book keeping class, this i say is a must for anyone who wants to open a clinic, book keeping classes are cheap i take one every two years just to keep fresh in my mind at a community college as a non degree seeking student. The book keeping class will teach you how to manage and follow the money, it can help detect fraud, or stolen money (stolen money by staff is very common) it teaches you how to set up your books and know whats tax deductable or what to do to make it tax deductable. It also makes talking to your accountant easier bc you will know what they are talking about... YOu may ask y study the class if your hiring an acct. The accountant is useful bc they must stay uptodate with tax laws. Tax laws are always changing. If you have your acct do your books and file your taxes you can spend anywhere from 3000 to 6000 dollars a year to have all the work done. Since I already know how to set up the books I have the staff enter things into the computer a certain way to fit my books and only need the acct to veify and file my taxes, so Im only spending about 700 dollars on acct fees.
 
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The insurance industry will severly lower your income. In some states they can dictate price for procedure, decline procedure down grad procedure, add steps that makes filing a claim difficult, like using the term medical necessity and then not defining medical necessity for you... lol seriously i have had claims for extraction of an abscessed tooth denied bc they deemed it not medically necessary.
i think the insurance industry has hurt dentist income, while at the same time skyrocketed their. The number of for profit dental schools is also lowering dental income in the long run. many students with the ability to pay can get in regardless of undergrad grade, so they are flooding the market with dentist (this seems to be occuring in other firlds as well like law and medicine). Corporate dentistry is also lowering your income, they can undersell procedure by providing payment plans as little as $10 per month, patients unaware they are walking into a dental mill usually chose the chain bc of the low payment plan while the single family practioner does not have the means to offer services that low bc you have an overhead. On the topic of lowering income corporate dentistry can also lower your income in a different indirect manner. I had a friend who worked for a chain. He was about to deliver a partial. The partial did not fit and told her to return to have a new one. She had a balance, and in my friends state if you start a procedure u must finish it (this can vary from state to state) regardless of ability to pay. Well the corporation refused to let her return bc of inability to pay. She sued, and since it becomes an issue of malpractice it landed on my friend, even though he wanted to do a new denture as a result of it he had a claim on him and his malpractice went up. and unfortunately the chain is immune in my state bc malpractice lands on the doc not the corp, and they were just trying to collect. so malpractice claims can lower you income, bc claims even if dismiss is seen as increasing your risk of liability.

economy can also lower you income. People are less reluctant to have work done, when they dont have the money.


A GPR or AEGD can raise your income. Many of my class mates who did one of the two dont refer many patients bc they have been exposed to more complicated cases in the program, friends that did not do one of the programs refer a lot, and when you refer to much that money out the door. Many patient who are refered dont return.

Working weekend can increase your income. Many doctors hate working weekends and even friday, so there is an opportunity there. In one of my clinics I shut down monday and sunday and Saturday is our busiest day.

Being able to do same day emergencies can increase your income. Emergencies is a major source of new patients for me. I had a lot of emergency training in my residency so getting patients out of pain is one of the best ways of getting and keeping new patients. Also many emergencies are higher production procedures so its a double win.

A good staff is also key. to generating raport. you want the person at the front to be a people person that can remember the patients name when they walk in is key to to building a relationship, look at starbucks they tell their employees to learns clients names, its the same in dentistry.

Keep your clinic clean... Many people have a clinic that looks cluttered, they want to show off equipment but they over do it and it looks clutter, so keep it clutterless but appealling in my clinic I dont have traditional white walls I have nature color clinic and plants (sort of looks like a very comfortable living room)

Another thing to learn that could potentially save you money is to know how to do what you delegate. for example if you decide you want to accept insurance you want to know how to file claims yourself and not really on your front staff. I have seen many doctors who never filed a claim nor knew how to file or verify insurance and loss tons of money. I know one lady who lost 70,000 yes 70,000 in unfiled misfiled claims. I have seen docs who had a fallout with the front staff (the one doing the ins filing ), the front staff quits, and they dont know who to file ins claims so no money is coming in until they higher some one to file the claims for them.

Take a book keeping class, this i say is a must for anyone who wants to open a clinic, book keeping classes are cheap i take one every two years just to keep fresh in my mind at a community college as a non degree seeking student. The book keeping class will teach you how to manage and follow the money, it can help detect fraud, or stolen money (stolen money by staff is very common) it teaches you how to set up your books and know whats tax deductable or what to do to make it tax deductable. It also makes talking to your accountant easier bc you will know what they are talking about... YOu may ask y study the class if your hiring an acct. The accountant is useful bc they must stay uptodate with tax laws. Tax laws are always changing. If you have your acct do your books and file your taxes you can spend anywhere from 3000 to 6000 dollars a year to have all the work done. Since I already know how to set up the books I have the staff enter things into the computer a certain way to fit my books and only need the acct to veify and file my taxes, so Im only spending about 700 dollars on acct fees.

Thanks Dr. Voltron! Those are very useful tips for us dentists-in-training. 👍
 
raises:
1) work smart. delegate.
2) sound scientific diagnosis and T/t planning
3) charming personality
4) be very aware of what goes on with your patient and your clinic.

lowers:
1) recession
2) lack of planning.
 
The biggest game changer is overhead. The most effective way to keep overhead low is to aim for 20% staff salaries. That is only possible if you have a cross trained team. Only bright and motivated individuals can be effectively cross trained. Bright and motivated employees cost money. Implement bonuses. Share the numbers. Have quarterly meetings on the budget. Announce the daily production in the morning huddle. Have regular team building events.
I love my job, work my butt off, and make my boss a ton of money.

It helps to be a GP that places implants too.
 
The biggest game changer is overhead. The most effective way to keep overhead low is to aim for 20% staff salaries. That is only possible if you have a cross trained team. Only bright and motivated individuals can be effectively cross trained. Bright and motivated employees cost money. Implement bonuses. Share the numbers. Have quarterly meetings on the budget. Announce the daily production in the morning huddle. Have regular team building events.
I love my job, work my butt off, and make my boss a ton of money.

It helps to be a GP that places implants too.

Does this mean that 20% of your overhead should be staff salaries?
 
Does this mean that 20% of your overhead should be staff salaries?
Yes, however most offices are around 30-35%. When you factor in all the expenses in your overhead this is the one over which you have the most control. Sure, you can save on supplies, but that's really an insignificant cost as compared to an extra person's salary.

If you cut an assistant for example you could save say $3000 a month which you could roll into a bonus program to motivate the other team members to step up and help out in the back while also enrolling more patients in treatment.

Bonus systems work best when they are based on the whole office profits, not production of individual providers. Here's an example of how to increase production:

In the morning huddle we identify all holes in the schedule that are 30 min or more.
A patient comes in for a prophy and exam. After taking the X-rays, I see recurrent decay under a MFL comp on #7. Instead of waiting until the end of the appointment, I put on the light for the exam while continuing with the prophy. My boss interrupts the cleaning a few minutes later and confirms the treatment plan of #7 MFL comp. I say to the patient "hey, if you have an extra 30 minutes we could do that today!". Nine times out of ten the patient says yes. My boss lets the assistant know in the back to set up for a comp. I finish the prophy but give an infiltration of #7 five minutes before I'm done. The patient moves to the back, gets the filling, and because they had decay we suggest an in office fluoride treatment to prevent those incipient lesions we've been monitoring from turning into cavities. The patient accepts despite the cost being out of pocket (because they have it fresh in their mind how much it sucks to get a filling).
In the end, it's a win win. The patient doesn't have to make an extra trip to the office and we make more money. Efficiency at it's best.
 
Raises:

Maintaining a reasonable accounts receivable. Especially in this economy with patients more concerned about fees, keeping up with collections is essential to maintaining high profit. Of course, if you have a payment upon appointment contract for each procedure, problem solved.
 
The insurance industry will severly lower your income. In some states they can dictate price for procedure, decline procedure down grad procedure, add steps that makes filing a claim difficult, like using the term medical necessity and then not defining medical necessity for you... lol seriously i have had claims for extraction of an abscessed tooth denied bc they deemed it not medically necessary.
i think the insurance industry has hurt dentist income, while at the same time skyrocketed their. The number of for profit dental schools is also lowering dental income in the long run. many students with the ability to pay can get in regardless of undergrad grade, so they are flooding the market with dentist (this seems to be occuring in other firlds as well like law and medicine). Corporate dentistry is also lowering your income, they can undersell procedure by providing payment plans as little as $10 per month, patients unaware they are walking into a dental mill usually chose the chain bc of the low payment plan while the single family practioner does not have the means to offer services that low bc you have an overhead. On the topic of lowering income corporate dentistry can also lower your income in a different indirect manner. I had a friend who worked for a chain. He was about to deliver a partial. The partial did not fit and told her to return to have a new one. She had a balance, and in my friends state if you start a procedure u must finish it (this can vary from state to state) regardless of ability to pay. Well the corporation refused to let her return bc of inability to pay. She sued, and since it becomes an issue of malpractice it landed on my friend, even though he wanted to do a new denture as a result of it he had a claim on him and his malpractice went up. and unfortunately the chain is immune in my state bc malpractice lands on the doc not the corp, and they were just trying to collect. so malpractice claims can lower you income, bc claims even if dismiss is seen as increasing your risk of liability.

economy can also lower you income. People are less reluctant to have work done, when they dont have the money.


A GPR or AEGD can raise your income. Many of my class mates who did one of the two dont refer many patients bc they have been exposed to more complicated cases in the program, friends that did not do one of the programs refer a lot, and when you refer to much that money out the door. Many patient who are refered dont return.

Working weekend can increase your income. Many doctors hate working weekends and even friday, so there is an opportunity there. In one of my clinics I shut down monday and sunday and Saturday is our busiest day.

Being able to do same day emergencies can increase your income. Emergencies is a major source of new patients for me. I had a lot of emergency training in my residency so getting patients out of pain is one of the best ways of getting and keeping new patients. Also many emergencies are higher production procedures so its a double win.

A good staff is also key. to generating raport. you want the person at the front to be a people person that can remember the patients name when they walk in is key to to building a relationship, look at starbucks they tell their employees to learns clients names, its the same in dentistry.

Keep your clinic clean... Many people have a clinic that looks cluttered, they want to show off equipment but they over do it and it looks clutter, so keep it clutterless but appealling in my clinic I dont have traditional white walls I have nature color clinic and plants (sort of looks like a very comfortable living room)

Another thing to learn that could potentially save you money is to know how to do what you delegate. for example if you decide you want to accept insurance you want to know how to file claims yourself and not really on your front staff. I have seen many doctors who never filed a claim nor knew how to file or verify insurance and loss tons of money. I know one lady who lost 70,000 yes 70,000 in unfiled misfiled claims. I have seen docs who had a fallout with the front staff (the one doing the ins filing ), the front staff quits, and they dont know who to file ins claims so no money is coming in until they higher some one to file the claims for them.

Take a book keeping class, this i say is a must for anyone who wants to open a clinic, book keeping classes are cheap i take one every two years just to keep fresh in my mind at a community college as a non degree seeking student. The book keeping class will teach you how to manage and follow the money, it can help detect fraud, or stolen money (stolen money by staff is very common) it teaches you how to set up your books and know whats tax deductable or what to do to make it tax deductable. It also makes talking to your accountant easier bc you will know what they are talking about... YOu may ask y study the class if your hiring an acct. The accountant is useful bc they must stay uptodate with tax laws. Tax laws are always changing. If you have your acct do your books and file your taxes you can spend anywhere from 3000 to 6000 dollars a year to have all the work done. Since I already know how to set up the books I have the staff enter things into the computer a certain way to fit my books and only need the acct to veify and file my taxes, so Im only spending about 700 dollars on acct fees.

Great post but what "for profit" dental schools are available in the US? I had no clue that there were any...
 
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