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I need some advice. I finished undergrad a while ago and I've been working full-time since. What should I be doing now before med school starts in the Fall to prepare myself? Compared to other students coming straight out of college, I feel at a disadvantage in terms of science knowledge since I haven't been using it while I have been working. What's the best way for me catch up with my future peers? I don't want to be the clueless person in the class while everyone else seems to effortlessly pass. Would reading some of those USMLE prep books help? I was going to read Iserson's residency book before school started. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.
 
relax...i'm sure there will be other people in your class in the same situation so you won't be the only one trying to adjust. i'm an MS1 and took a year and half off in between undergrad and med school so i kind of see where you're coming from (although from your name, it seems you might have been out of school for a bit longer). DON'T read any board review books!!!! Relax and enjoy your time off until med school starts...you deserve it after the long road here.

i wouldn't worry too much about the science stuff. you obviously did well enough on the MCAT in the sciences and you had to have taken it recently...so you should have a good science foundation to build on. i remember thinking the same thing before school started, but after a few weeks your brain gets back into the science mode. so don't stress.

if you are really, really, really worried about this, why not call your med school and ask them for advice? they probably have an educational development office for medical students...maybe they have a program for students like you. here at UA they have the "bridge program" that gives incoming med students a few weeks of mock classes to help them get adjusted.

but remember, you're in, so go out and have a beer!
 
i am an advocate for partying, i have done quite a bit of it myself. i just want to say that we should underscore the difference between somebody who has been out of school for a while compared to somebody going straight from college. if some young chap who isn't taking any time off between college is asking about what to do during his summer, of course i'm going to tell him to get wasted. the things is, that some of these non-trad students have been out for many years and really don't need to do this summer of love binge-drink-i'm-going-to-travel-etc., because they've been doing that stuff for years.
 
Isersn's book would be a nice book to read before going to med school. I wouldn't worry about it either, studies have shown that non-science majors do just as well as science majors do. You might find yourself a little overwhelmed at first, but the same goes true for those fresh out of college too. I'd spend the rest of your free time trying to make some money or doing some research. If you are really worried about it, I suppose that you could pick up a BRS book like BRS phyisio or BRS anatomy and read a few chapters and practice doing some of the questions at the end. This would only help to calm your anxieties about starting med school though, I don't think that it would make a difference in your overall preparedness.
 
Originally posted by oldtimer
... while everyone else seems to effortlessly pass.


I promise you there are no such students. There are only those who pretend they are doing no work.

Relax and enjoy your summer. Best thing you can do is to be well rested and mentally prepared so that you can dive into schoolwork once it starts. Believe me, there will be plenty to learn. Good luck.
 
Just relax. About this time 2 years ago when I had just gotten my acceptance letter I was on here asking the same type of questions, and got the same type of responses. I didn't think they knew what they were talking about and figured studying ahead would help. I bought the books, but luckily I didn't have enough discipline to read them, so I didn't waste a lot of time.

I don't see how studying ahead is going to help at all, especially in memory intensive stuff like all your anatomys (gross anatomy, histology, embryology, and neuroanatomy) and biochemistry, which other than physiology make up all of your first year. So maybe study some physiology but other than that forget it.

Just hit it hard when it is time and you will do fine. There is a lot of macho posturing that goes on in medical school from people who get A's and act like slackers, even their friends say they don't study much. They may not relative to other students, but believe me they study. There is no way around it.
 
Thanks for the advice everyone. I'll read Iserson's and *maybe* crack a peek at some BRS books. A friend gave me his Kaplan's 1997 USMLE step 1 prep books and it was so dense that I really couldn't get past the first few pages. I think it is wiser to wait off until school starts. As someone mentioned earlier, being out of school for a while has allowed me to do and see much more than a typical college graduate. So I have no big plans from now and until school starts. Maybe one last hurrah in Vegas. 😀
 
Originally posted by oldtimer
Iserson's

Dumb question here, but what book is this and why is it good to read before med school?

Are you referring to Iserson's Getting into a Residency: A Guide for Medical Students, Sixth Edition . He has a few books out but I was wondering which one you all were talking about.
 
Originally posted by Amy B
Dumb question here, but what book is this and why is it good to read before med school?

Are you referring to Iserson's Getting into a Residency: A Guide for Medical Students, Sixth Edition . He has a few books out but I was wondering which one you all were talking about.

That would be the book we're referring to. I heard that it's highly recommended read even before school starts. I guess it provides a kind of roadmap to help new med students traverse the strange and mysterious world of residencies.
 
I have been wondering the same things. I took a semester of classes in the Fall but I am out from now until August. I am so anxious to start school that I have thought about buying an Anatomy book or something like that. However, people always tell me to not even pick up a med school related book until school starts. But I'm still worried that I will be rusty and I will find myself falling behind my classmates because their transition will be smoother.
I am reading "How to Excel in Medical School", by Saks, Stewart and Zingale. Its full of tips and tricks for time management and studying specific subjects. I highly recommend reading "The House of God", by Samuel Shem, MD. It is a great book; its hilarious, shocking and sometimes erotic. I read it last year around this time and I plan to read it again in March.
 
oldtimer- I just thought I'd share a few thoughts. I'm 35 and half way through M1. I kicked butt on the MCAT and did well in a few post-bacc classes before I applied last year, but I had been out of college for 10+ years when I started. Everyone told me to relax and enjoy myself before I started school. Now I wish I hadn't taken that advice.

Most of the people in your M1 class will (probably) be right out of undergrad and they will have the advantage of being in an "academic," as opposed to "real world" frame of mind. My working life required quick distillation of facts and grasping and applying concepts in a rapid fashion. Unfortunately, most of what I've done so far in med school could have been accomplished better by a trained chimp with a high tolerance for memorizing massive quantity of mind-numbing information. In histology and gross anatomy you will not encounter a single difficult concept, but you will encounter massive quantities of terms..... volume is your only enemy. I was told by several people not to bother taking histo or anatomy prior to med school. Now I am one of the few people in my class that is learning this material for the first time. Physiology, Biochem, Molecular Bio, and all of the clinical classes are alot easier for me because they are more concept oriented.

My advice is to get ahead a bit in the term intensive classes. Use the Board Review Series or get a few textbooks early. On the bright side, you will find very quickly that your work/life experience will put you light years ahead of some of your younger class mates when it comes to dealing with patients. The academic superstars who've had the blinders on since high school seem to have a tough time relating to most patients.

Good luck!
 
first thing is relax. sit by the pool, drink a beer, and dont be afraid to smoke a joint every now and then.
 
Originally posted by Enkindu
...My working life required quick distillation of facts and grasping and applying concepts in a rapid fashion. Unfortunately, most of what I've done so far in med school could have been accomplished better by a trained chimp with a high tolerance for memorizing massive quantity of mind-numbing information...

This seems to be a common view among many students from what I have read about medical school. Like you, I am used to extracting pertinent facts from a pile of information and applying it to different scenarios. When a reference book is only an arms-length away, it never made much sense to me to memorize every little bit of information. When I was in engineering school, all our tests were all open book! I would rather focus on the concepts and big picture. I think that is more important. However, because there is so much material to learn in such a short period of time, med schools don't have many other options but to drill it into their students' heads. I look forward to later training when we will finally be able to apply what we learn. I plan to do some prep work but not over the top before the Fall starts. I need to clean out the cobwebs from my brain since I haven't practiced memorizing in a while.
 
Do you all recommend any particular subject to review? Is there one thing that med students struggle with the most?

I will be starting med school this fall after taking 4 years off, and would like to start reviewing, as well. I was a microbiology major so I feel that I have a fairly solid science background, but I have never taken anatomy or physiology. Do you think that will be a problem?
 
If you'd like to start covering any material ahead of time, you might want to start with subjects which are more heavily based on understanding and conceptual thinking instead of memorization and regurgitation. Physiology fits the bill perfectly in this regard and aside from pathology is one of the 2 or 3 most important medical subjects.

In reviewing physiology, you'll automatically review some basic anatomy which applies to the organ systems you cover, but it won't be the minutiae that you will be expected to memorize later on. ("Crap" like left recurrent laryngeal hooks around the arch of the aorta near the ligamentum arteriosium but the right recurrent laryngeal hooks around the right subclavian.)

I also experienced the conundrum that you have. To prepare or not to prepare, that was the question. I found that preparation in the more conceptual subjects payed off more down the road because once I understood something (really understood it), there was no problem with the ole' memory. Previewing crap like biochemistry, though, yielded very little because I remembered so little.

As an aside, whenever anyone asks "should I study ahead of time," the knee jerk response from 80%+ of med students is to say forget about. But as a non-trad/older student, the experience of most med students will differ from yours. Also, depends on your goals, whether you are trying to get by (in which case you probably don't need to pre-read) or whether you are trying to excel (in which case pre-reading can certainly make a difference, if you do it "right."). My 2 cents.
 
I'm also starting med school in the fall. In my opinion, it's a good idea to do some preparation beforehand. The time will go by whether or not we prepare ahead of time. Might as well take advantage of our motivation while we have it. Besides, I've always been the type of student that learned best with slow, gradual progress and repetition. The more times I see something the better, and the more gradually I learn something, the better I remember it. I know that I'll have to know biochem and physio for the boards, so I'm happy to spend some time learning them now. There's no way that the knowledge won't come in handy next year.
 
oldtimer,

I too will be starting in the fall, have been out of school for a while, and have an engineering background. I do think it is a good idea to prepare your brain a little, however, not in the way you might think. As counter-intuitive as it sounds, one of the best preparations you could do, I believe, is to spend the three months prior to matriculation intensively learning a new language. Why, you ask? The idea is not to gain some edge (which is ultimately trivial) of knowledge when you hit med school, but of having your brain ready to absorb huge amounts of information. Learning anatomy, histo, etc. is not that different from learning the semantic rules and vocabulary of a new language, or even that far removed from what London cabbies have to do ? memorize all of the streets of London for an exam (more on that later). The volume is huge, the material is not largely analytical, and you need to memorize. Your brain is fairly plastic and changes according to what you are doing on a regular basis. As for myself, I intend to spend my summer in Barcelona, Spain learning Spanish. Check out this article from today?s NY Times which deals with this:
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January 25, 2004
Brains and Brawn, One and the Same
By NICHOLAS WADE

If you hit the weights at the gym with iron regularity, your arms may get to look a little more impressive. The right kind of training, it now appears, can do much the same for the brain, though unfortunately the enlargement can be shown off only to observers with magnetic resonance imaging machines.

In a study conducted by Dr. Arne May and colleagues at the University of Regensburg in Germany, people who spent three months learning to juggle showed enlargement of certain areas in the cerebral cortex, the thin sheet of nerve cells on the brain's surface where most higher thought processes seem to be handled. They were then asked to quit juggling completely, and three months later the enlarged areas of the cortex had started to shrink.

The finding, which was reported in the current issue of the journal Nature, is similar to one in a study of London cab drivers four years ago. Unlike their colleagues in New York, London cabbies must memorize the entirety of their city's streets. If some Sunday morning in London you should see a group of men on bicycles, maps balanced on the handlebars, those are apprentice cabbies, acquiring "the knowledge," as the two-year memorization of London's many small, winding streets is called. The 2000 study, also done with M.R.I. scanners, found a change in the shape of the cabbies' hippocampus, the brain module where new memories of place are stored.

Both studies show how malleable the brain is under training, a finding already hinted at by the brain's own internal representation, or mapping, of body parts. In monkeys trained to use their fingertips for some task, the areas of the brain devoted to mapping the fingertips will enlarge, suggesting that the brain's various maps of the body are "plastic," in the parlance of neurology, not hard-wired.

The M.R.I. scans of jugglers and cabbies showed an enlargement of the gray matter, the brain areas rich in neurons, as opposed to the white matter, which consists mostly of the biological wiring that connects neurons. But the scanning machines can't see down to the level of individual neurons, so it's unclear what is causing the enlargement. Whether new neurons are ever generated in the adult brain has been a matter of fierce contention, the present consensus being that new neurons are created in the hippocampus and olfactory bulb but nowhere else.

Dr. May said the enlargement in the jugglers' cortex could be caused by new cells, whether created at the site or recruited from other areas, or by new interconnections. He favors the interconnection idea, he said via e-mail. Pasko Rakic, a brain expert at Yale University, said the study was interesting and confirmed that the brain is not structurally static. But no conclusion can be drawn as to what may be going on at the cell level, Dr. Rakic said.

The brain has about 100 billion neurons, each of which makes on average 1,000 connections with others, for some 100 trillion interconnections in all, none of them color coded. Learning to juggle, or navigate London streets, must involve a horrendous rewiring job. But the brain's electricians seem to know what they are doing, and no doubt it's good to keep them exercised.

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company
 
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