What stat matters more to determine OOS chances at a school?

[LuluLovesMe]

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Would it be

a. OOS Matriculated/OOS Applied
b. Ratio (In-State Matriculated/In-State Interviewed) to (OOS Matriculated/OOS Interviewed)
c. Ratio (In-State Matriculated/In-State Applied) to (OOS Matriculated/OOS Applied)

I'm leaning towards Choice B

 

[Goro]

I look at the % OOS/%IS

Unless the school is private and has a specific mission for producing physicians for that state (like Mercer in GA), I only apply this to public schools. My own cutoff for advising OOSer to apply to state schools is ~15% OOS. If it's lower, your stats had better be well > than the class avg.

Another rule of thumb I use is the higher your stats, the further away you can apply to state schools.

If your stats are < avg for an OOS school public , I do not recommend applying there.

Would it be

a. OOS Matriculated/OOS Applied
b. Ratio (In-State Matriculated/In-State Interviewed) to (OOS Matriculated/OOS Interviewed)
c. Ratio (In-State Matriculated/In-State Applied) to (OOS Matriculated/OOS Applied)

I'm leaning towards Choice B

 

[jsquared91]

Would it be

a. OOS Matriculated/OOS Applied
b. Ratio (In-State Matriculated/In-State Interviewed) to (OOS Matriculated/OOS Interviewed)
c. Ratio (In-State Matriculated/In-State Applied) to (OOS Matriculated/OOS Applied)

I'm leaning towards Choice B

https://www.amherst.edu/campuslife/careers/act/gradstudy/health/guide/part2/appendix
A bit dated, but gives you a decent idea.

 

[LuluLovesMe]

I look at the % OOS/%IS

Unless the school is private and has a specific mission for producing physicians for that state (like Mercer in GA), I only apply this to public schools. My own cutoff for advising OOSer to apply to state schools is ~15% OOS. If it's lower, your stats had better be well > than the class avg.

Another rule of thumb I use is the higher your stats, the further away you can apply to state schools.

If your stats are < avg for an OOS school public , I do not recommend applying there.

So as a MA resident would Michigan or Ohio be too far for state schools?

 

[Goro]

U MI is a really good school. As I recall, you have good numbers, so U MI is doable, as would be MSU or Wayne State. Ohio seems to favor IS...I would suggest U Toledo, Wright State or U Cincy instead.

So as a MA resident would Michigan or Ohio be too far for state schools?

 

[LuluLovesMe]

U MI is a really good school. As I recall, you have good numbers, so U MI is doable, as would be MSU or Wayne State. Ohio seems to favor IS...I would suggest U Toledo, Wright State or U Cincy instead.

That's what I thought too but then I looked at the MSAR and U Michigan actually had more out of state than instate students matriculate!

 

[FutureOncologist]

If I had the MSAR when I was applying, I would have been so much better off. Love my school, but I would've had so many more options.

Comb through it OP. You have 5 or so months before the next cycle!

 

[LuluLovesMe]

If I had the MSAR when I was applying, I would have been so much better off. Love my school, but I would've had so many more options.

Comb through it OP. You have 5 or so months before the next cycle!

More like 8 months since my school releases committee letters in early August only.

It's like they want their premeds to do poorly!

 

[FutureOncologist]

More like 8 months since my school releases committee letters in early August only.

It's like they want their premeds to do poorly!

Given your GPA and MCAT score, that won't harm you too bad as long as, by then, those letters will be all you need to be verified.

 

[Doogie17]

More like 8 months since my school releases committee letters in early August only.

It's like they want their premeds to do poorly!

my university did not send most Pmac letters out until mid September. I am guessing it may be to direct more people to the instate school, since it means missing early interviews oos.

 

[songl4a]

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[wondergirl3]

Given your GPA and MCAT score, that won't harm you too bad as long as, by then, those letters will be all you need to be verified.

Is the committee letter needed for the primary to be verified or for the secondary to be verified?
My school also submits its committee letters in early August so I wanted to know whether to submit my AMCAS before it sends the letter or to wait

 

[LizzyM]

Is the committee letter needed for the primary to be verified or for the secondary to be verified?
My school also submits its committee letters in early August so I wanted to know whether to submit my AMCAS before it sends the letter or to wait

Apply as soon as possible and let the letter follow. Sometimes, a school will make an interview offer to a hot prospect without the letter and make a note to check the letter afterward. Generally, the likelihood that the letter will contain a red flag is very low.

 

[JPA178]

U MI is a really good school. As I recall, you have good numbers, so U MI is doable, as would be MSU or Wayne State. Ohio seems to favor IS...I would suggest U Toledo, Wright State or U Cincy instead.

MSU is very focused on primary care in the state of MI - mission/fit are a huge factor when applying there. Wayne is very expensive OOS, which is a deterrent for some.

According to OSU's website, they do not have any preference for Ohio residents: http://medicine.osu.edu/admissions/md/faqs/pages/index.aspx - about 2/3 of the way down.

 

[LuluLovesMe]

Apply as soon as possible and let the letter follow. Sometimes, a school will make an interview offer to a hot prospect without the letter and make a note to check the letter afterward. Generally, the likelihood that the letter will contain a red flag is very low.

So I can apply in July without a LoR and then submit my committee letter later? How would this work?

 

[LizzyM]

So I can apply in July without a LoR and then submit my committee letter later? How would this work?

I'm not the one to ask about the mechanics of this but I know it is done all the time.

 

[LuluLovesMe]

I'm not the one to ask about the mechanics of this but I know it is done all the time.

How common is this? Are most schools open to reviewing applications without LoRs?

 

[Doogie17]

That doesn't make sense. You're still missing out on IS interview spots as well.

i have only one instate school, and as I recall I got one of the earliest interviews in Oct and then everyone has to wait til Feb to hear back. I had everything in but the committee letter by Aug 1. but nothing happened until the letter was received the third week of sept, then several II came in from oos. I think I would have had better results from oos if the letter had been sent in by august.

 

[LizzyM]

i have only one instate school, and as I recall I got one of the earliest interviews in Oct and then everyone has to wait til Feb to hear back. I had everything in but the committee letter by Aug 1. but nothing happened until the letter was received the third week of sept, then several II came in from oos. I think I would have had better results from oos if the letter had been sent in by august.

Of course, but you are at the mercy of your school and so is everyone else at that school. We know that school X and school Y are feeders to us and that they are always late with the LORs. We save some IIs for applicants from those schools. We also will make an exception and interview without LOR if we think that the applicant might otherwise "get away". (e.g. stop doing interviews after getting a good offer in October). That would have to be someone with superstar credentials, though.

 

[wondergirl3]

I'm not the one to ask about the mechanics of this but I know it is done all the time.

Didn't know the some schools defer looking at the LORs until later, thanks for letting me know!

To someone else who is familiar with the mechanics, what do we have to designate on AMCAS? Should we just fill in "committee letter" in the slot, or do we designate "committee letter" and then add in the individual 5 letters- either then or later? I have no idea how this works 😕

 

[Doug Underhill]

Are you applying to Ohio State? Their official policy is that they don't have a preference for in-state students. Note that they do have a unique requirement: you have to take anatomy before you matriculate.

 

[songl4a]

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