What to do after resignation from IM residency?

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I have a problem currently and would like some input from other forum members (especially attendings)

I am currently an AMG PGY-2 resident at a very good academic IM residency program. I was told after several weeks of remediation that I have to resign or be terminated.

The story is as follows:
During intern year I felt as if I did not have a good fund of knowledge and was inefficient, sometimes staying until very late, but until the last two months of intern year I did not receive negative feedback. My midterm ABIM evaluation was alright, even above class average. I even got comments such as "very efficient" and "good fund of knowledge" and "you have good plans on your patients" from attendings. Some senior residents and fellows told me that they thought I was ready to be a PGY-2, even though I did not feel ready at all. I think it was around the last two months of intern year that attendings start to expect you to show signs of becoming a PGY-2, so while I was okay in their eyes as an intern, they did not think I was ready for PGY-2 at the very end, but no one failed me in PGY-1 and I advanced, though I did receive negative feedback on my last 2 rotations.

Thus I started PGY-2 with a good deal of apprehension and had trouble adjusting to the PGY-2 responsibilities, both because of deficiencies and because of apprehension. I had trouble being organized and prioritizing patient issues (this skill seemed to even regress compared to when I was an intern) such that I did not take care of the very sick in a timely manner, and a lab needing follow-up got missed. I also sometimes misspoke about patients which confused people (got different patients' data mixed up), so I had communication issues as well.

I was placed in a remediation program for several weeks and made improvements and regained some confidence until I missed treating another sick patient, due to residual deficiency as well as building apprehension as my remediation period was drawing to a close. As this was towards the end of the remediation period, I was told that I should resign or be terminated.

I think my mistakes are serious and I surely do not want to make those mistakes again. I also think that I can come out of this mess a respectable physician. I think that my problems stem from going into intern year with too much confidence (at medical school graduation I felt like my fund of knowledge was great, and didn't feel scared my first week of intern year like normal people are, perhaps a bad sign), expecting patient care practices to just "fall into place" after doing it for awhile (instead of actively seeking to acquire certain skills that I may be naturally weak at). After receiving notification that I couldn't continue in the program, I asked for feedback from my program director on ways to improve, and received some. The PD was supportive of me continuing on in internal medicine (so the PD thinks I can do it, or else would tell me to switch careers, right?). I took a good long look at myself, my deficiencies (especially with critically ill patients), and made a list of concrete things to work on. I also took Step 3 and feel that I passed comfortably. While preparing for Step 3 I practiced with CCS cases, and although those "patients" are not nearly as complicated as real-life ones, I feel that for the first time I have developed a good systematic way of approaching patients, both ensuring their stability/safety and working them up and treating them within time constraints. I think I have a much better grasp of patient care now compared to when I just started PGY-2 (when I felt really lost), and am looking at other medicine residencies (I resigned instead of being terminated). I left my program on good terms and plan to keep the PD updated about my activities.

I have a couple of questions:
1. I would like to put my newly acquired habits/skills into practice (especially with multiple patients, not just single CCS cases) before starting residency again - any way to volunteer as a physician (doing pre-med stuff won't help) without a license (Step 3 scores won't be back until April since I took the new administration), under some supervision because I know I will need advice from more experienced people though I generally am independent in my thinking, and without all the high stakes of residency (don't want to fail again).
2. What is the usual course of my case? What medicine residencies can I expect to obtain? Fellowships in the future? Of course, provided that I am ultimately successful at completing residency.

My background: AMG from a very good medical school (top 30?), 3rd quartile of med school class (sort of middle 3rd quartile), 220s step 1, 260s step2, > 80th percentile on in-training exam taken as PGY-2, step3 taken with score pending; no history of academic/professionalism/ethical/personality disorder/depression/anxiety disorder/substance abuse issues in medical school or residency.

I appreciate any input. Would also be glad if someone can comment on ways of dealing with PGY-2 year that they found worked for them. Thanks!

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If you want to continue in IM, I say go for it. I'm sure you'll match somewhere as long as you have support from your PD.
 
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There really are not many options where you can practice in a supervised environment. Ultimately your best option is to get back into a residency program ASAP. These positions are not in the match, so you should be looking for one now. You could call around, especially if you have a geographic preference of where you would be. You could also ask your PD for help.

You could ask your prior PD if you could come back for 2-3 months, with no expectation of further training. The answer will probably be no.

My only "problem" with your story is the sense that because you were able to manage the CCS cases on Step 3, that your problem is "fixed". But ultimately the only way you will know if you're improved is getting back into a residency program. The longer you are out, the harder it will be.
 
The CCS cases are a joke. In all but one case (I suck at peds) I knew the diagnosis and management after reading the first couple of sentences. From there it was just rote order entry until the scenario completed itself.

I don't consider the CCS cases to show anything other than that you know the very basics of "If XX condition, do YY treatment/management"

Agreed. The test really is not meant for much. The least competent practicing physician has to pass it. It's not a proxy for actually being trained.
 
The CCS cases are a joke. In all but one case (I suck at peds) I knew the diagnosis and management after reading the first couple of sentences. From there it was just rote order entry until the scenario completed itself.

I don't consider the CCS cases to show anything other than that you know the very basics of "If XX condition, do YY treatment/management"

I agree. I had a multiple CCS case end within 1 minutes of starting them. It's straightforward management with no real curveballs.
 
It's hard to gauge exactly what the nature of your deficiencies were, but it's crucial to get back into training ASAP as others have said. I'm not sure what it was that you missed (I would say that everyone has missed following-up on a lab at some point, so I don't know how this plays into the "critically ill" angle). Organizational skills are absolutely crucial, and it sounds like these are what you really need to focus on.
 
A fixed problem is one that cannot be corrected no matter how hard you try, correct? Curious to know from aProgDirector which types of problems are "fixed" in his opinion.
 
A fixed problem is one that cannot be corrected no matter how hard you try, correct? Curious to know from aProgDirector which types of problems are "fixed" in his opinion.

no you misunderstood...aPD is concerned that the problem is not corrected...fixing something is correcting it...
 
I dont think your problem was being too confident the first week of intern year, it was a lack of recognition of the changing expectations as intern year progressed. The bar is a lot lower at the beginning and you got complacent. One way to improve would be to redo at least part of intern year at another program. Not sure how this would work logistically but it sounds like you aren't ready to be a resident. On the other hand there are programs out there with a lot more hand-holding where you may be able to overcome your deficiencies starting as a PGY-2.

Also just have to reiterate what was said earlier that the step 3 cases are meaningless and completing them successfully doesn't reflect your clinical skills.
 
You sound have you have confidence issues with clinical decision making. I don't think that you are ready for PGY-2. Don't bother with physician only slots. Repeat your internship if allowed. Go to a program with more structure. You need time to build confidence, and I think that PGY-2 isn't the place for that.
 
I was under the impression that you cannot repeat intern year once you passed it (which I did). I brought this up as a possibility with the old program when I received the bad news - they just said no since I already passed it.
 
Nothing stops you from repeating a PGY-1 legally. When considering this, I try to determine whether more PGY-1 time will help the resident progress. Once promoted to PGY-2, I have never "demoted" someone back to PGY-1. So I am not surprised your old program was unwilling to have you as a PGY-1 again.
 
I was under the impression that you cannot repeat intern year once you passed it (which I did). I brought this up as a possibility with the old program when I received the bad news - they just said no since I already passed it.

You can repeat PGY1 if you restart as a categorical resident, you just aren't allowed to do a prelim somewhere.
 
I now have another question. How do residency programs generally view someone seeking another residency program after being "forced" to resign? Do they generally automatically think that the resident has un-remedial problems? Even though I don't think my problems are un-remedial (like perhaps professionalism issues or personality issues). I have taken more steps to fix my deficiencies after leaving which I explained on the personal statement. I don't think the PD thinks I have un-remedial problems or else he should tell me to switch fields.

Also, do in-training scores correlate with aptitude for clinical performance? I tried to look it up but couldn't find much research done (some research demonstrating that it correlates with passing of the boards though). Anyways I have full motivation to strive for the best in clinical performance but was just wondering if there was literature to support my cause that perhaps attendings/PDs would know about. Does having a good in-training score matter at all in my situation?
 
I now have another question. How do residency programs generally view someone seeking another residency program after being "forced" to resign? Do they generally automatically think that the resident has un-remedial problems? Even though I don't think my problems are un-remedial (like perhaps professionalism issues or personality issues). I have taken more steps to fix my deficiencies after leaving which I explained on the personal statement. I don't think the PD thinks I have un-remedial problems or else he should tell me to switch fields.
Well, without asking your PD directly, you'll never really know the answer to this question. But the reality is that, if he thought you were worthy of remediation, he'd just do it and not fire you instead. Hiring new people is more trouble and expense than keeping them (in general) .

Also, do in-training scores correlate with aptitude for clinical performance? I tried to look it up but couldn't find much research done (some research demonstrating that it correlates with passing of the boards though). Anyways I have full motivation to strive for the best in clinical performance but was just wondering if there was literature to support my cause that perhaps attendings/PDs would know about. Does having a good in-training score matter at all in my situation?
ITE scores correlate very well with doing well on more tests. Their correlation with clinical acumen is at best non-existent and possibly inverse.
 
I now have another question. How do residency programs generally view someone seeking another residency program after being "forced" to resign? Do they generally automatically think that the resident has un-remedial problems? Even though I don't think my problems are un-remedial (like perhaps professionalism issues or personality issues). I have taken more steps to fix my deficiencies after leaving which I explained on the personal statement. I don't think the PD thinks I have un-remedial problems or else he should tell me to switch fields.

Also, do in-training scores correlate with aptitude for clinical performance? I tried to look it up but couldn't find much research done (some research demonstrating that it correlates with passing of the boards though). Anyways I have full motivation to strive for the best in clinical performance but was just wondering if there was literature to support my cause that perhaps attendings/PDs would know about. Does having a good in-training score matter at all in my situation?

What rotations did you mess up in? Was it ICU? How are you checking up on patients? I like to write lab studies down and be paranoid about my patients in general. It seems like a major issus for you is just forgetting to f/u on patients. If you do well on in training you have the knowledge in your head but it needs put to use. How many weeks of remediation did you have? When you are on remediation always ask for feedback and make sure to double check yourself. Arrive 1 hour early to see patients and think what could go wrong talk to them about non medical issues so you will remember them better and so they are not just a number in your head.

Since you were in an academic program I don't think it will be easy to find Pgy-1 spots in academic programs outside the scramble and match.
 
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